Poll of the Day > Christians ADMIT that their 2 y/o is DEAD and will NOT be RESURRECTED!!!

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Devout California Christians, Andrew and Kalley Heiligenthal have FINALLY admitted to the public that they will NOT be resurrecting their dead 2 y/o daughter through prayer after giving up the process for a month now even though their "megachurch" gave them "hope" that through vast prayer across the world will bring them the miracle they were wanting..

Olive Alaye died suddenly on Dec. 14 when she stopped breathing and the Bethel Church gave them the false hope of resurrection that through mass donations and worldwide prayer that they will bring Olive back to life..

But after only 2 weeks of huge donations which they are STILL receiving, they gave up on that miracle dream and buried Olive and the church has been SILENT since the burial

Kalley is asking people to STOP donating but as of today they are still receiving donations for the miracle ressurection that Olive will RISE FROM THE GRAVE and have raked in a huge 76,000+..just 24,000 shy of their goal.

The donations seemed to have slowed after hearing the news and it appears it will bottom out at 76,000..

It is not known what will happen to the donation money but since it was started by the megachurch, the money will STAY with the church.

Do you think they should be allowed to keep the money?

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Full Throttle posted...

Devout California Christians, Andrew and Kalley Heiligenthal have FINALLY admitted to the public that they will NOT be resurrecting their dead 2 y/o daughter through prayer

I can't help but chuckle at the way this is worded. Like they are making the decision not to resurrect their daughter instead of realizing that it's a ridiculous pipe dream.

To answer the question, as ridiculous as this whole thing is, they should be able to keep the money.


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Jesus was buried before he resurrected... KEEP DONATING!!!

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can you please post these christians, to show that not all christians are extremist creeps?

you probably read this on a leftist media site that tries to attack religious people, and transferred your own bias over

If they are too cowardly to perform necromancy then return the money.

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the donors are morons and deserve to be scammed

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Retroxgamer0 posted...

you probably read this on a leftist media site that tries to attack religious people, and transferred your own bias over

These people bilked thousands of dollars from vulnerable people to support this ridiculous cause. Exposing their behavior as reprehensible is fair.

If you want to defend Christians and post positive examples of Christianity in action, go for it. The onus is on you. Ducky doesn't owe you, or Christians in general, that favor.

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Far-Queue posted...

These people bilked thousands of dollars from vulnerable people to support this ridiculous cause. Exposing their behavior as reprehensible is fair.

For the most part I agree with this. But in this case we're talking about raising the dead. And not recently dead, which wouldn't be too difficult for doctors.

Even in the Bible, the number of people resurrected from death throughout history is microscopically low. Anyone who donated to this knew exactly how unlikely it was to happen.

afrodude77 posted...

If they are too cowardly to perform necromancy then return the money.

Hot take

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keyblader1985 posted...

Anyone who donated to this knew exactly how unlikely it was to happen.

Disagree. There are scores of people who believe that their god is capable of anything. Look at all those people that attend these churches where the pastor lays "healing hands" on ailing members of the congregation. Look up the numerous articles on parents who lost children to treatable illnesses when they turned to prayer to heal their kids instead of modern medicine.

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The asking party doesn't deserve it as it was either an insultingly deluded fantasy or a cruel scam, the church that put them up to it definitely shouldn't get it as they should have known it would never work, and the people who donated probably shouldn't get it back to teach them a lesson in choosing worthy causes to donate to over ridiculous shams.
Probably best to donate it to a worthy yet unrelated charity.

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Far-Queue posted...

Disagree. There are scores of people who believe that their god is capable of anything. Look at all those people that attend these churches where the pastor lays "healing hands" on ailing members of the congregation. Look up the numerous articles on parents who lost children to treatable illnesses when they turned to prayer to heal their kids instead of modern medicine.

That doesn't change anything I said though. They all knew how unlikely this was to actually happen (especially those who are familiar with faith healers), and they still chose to donate their money.

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Shadowbird_RH posted...

Probably best to donate it to a worthy yet unrelated charity.

Just put it toward government spending, lower the burden on tax payers in general.
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keyblader1985 posted...

That doesn't change anything I said though. They all knew how unlikely this was to actually happen (especially those who are familiar with faith healers), and they still chose to donate their money.

Disagree. Those who are fully indoctrinated in their faith have belief that runs so deep they believe in miracles against common sense or probability. Those types of people do not know how unlikely the outcome will be, because they believe their god and their faith will be rewarded against all improbable outcomes. Hence why you see people seeking faith healing over traditional medicine.

To be clear, I'm not saying all of those donors fall under this description, but I'd be willing to bet a decent portion do.

There are probably those who know full-well nothing would come of this and donated out of sympathy. I'd imagine those people are perfectly fine with the couple keeping their money.

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afrodude77 posted...

If they are too cowardly to perform necromancy then return the money.

Yeah, this. Cowards.

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They know by seeing how often it has worked in the past.

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keyblader1985 posted...

They know by seeing how often it has worked in the past.

It worked once for that dude named Yeshua

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Just put it toward government spending, lower the burden on tax payers in general.

Also a perfectly fair option, so long as they spend it wisely.

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keyblader1985 posted...

They know by seeing how often it has worked in the past.

You're assuming zealots operate within some frame of logic or normalcy

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Lokarin posted...

Jesus was buried before he resurrected... KEEP DONATING!!!

He was placed in a cave with a cloth/shroud covering him.

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Again, it costs a lot of money to resurrect the dead and $100k isn't nearly enough. It would probably be a quadrillion-dollar technology so of course it was a pipe dream.

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Zeus posted...

Again, it costs a lot of money to resurrect the dead and $100k isn't nearly enough. It would probably be a quadrillion-dollar technology so of course it was a pipe dream.

The money wasn't to fund the resurrection itself, it was because they figured it'd probably be really expensive to take care of a recently-resurrected toddler. Since there was so much precedent for that and all.

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

He was placed in a cave with a cloth/shroud covering him.

In what way is being placed in a cave not a burial when being dumped in the ocean counts as burial.

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Lokarin posted...

In what way is being placed in a cave not a burial when being dumped in the ocean counts as burial.

It is more akin to the act of placing someone in a place where they can be visited, for farewells, before the final ceremonies like burial.

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Far-Queue posted...

Disagree. There are scores of people who believe that their god is capable of anything. Look at all those people that attend these churches where the pastor lays "healing hands" on ailing members of the congregation. Look up the numerous articles on parents who lost children to treatable illnesses when they turned to prayer to heal their kids instead of modern medicine.

Strong disagree, as someone who had God shoved down their throat two times a week for the first 19 years of my life (no breaks except when you are sick, yes that meant even on vacation), I would say no one is this gullible and this story is only a extremist example.

Funny how, these far left news stories will try to frame Christians as these wackos with no common sense and try to prove it by pointing out extreme examples. Kind of sounds like a shoe on the other foot scenario if we were instead talking about making out Muslims being extremists.

If there is anything news should cover its about all of the volunteer work the church does. Christians are always volunteering to work in Soup Kitchens, Clean the Community, Sponsor Runs, any volunteer position you could ever think of, a Church has partaken in. My father, as ridiculous* as he was with his Religion, he volunteered in many Church volunteer jobs. Once he even took time off to go be part of a crew making homes for the less fortunate. I too actually did the same once.

*=Lol no Dungeons and Dragons or Harry Potter
Mother didnt approve of this restriction she was a bit smarter.

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Disagree. For the aforementioned reasons:

Far-Queue posted...

You're assuming zealots operate within some frame of logic or normalcy

Far-Queue posted...

There are scores of people who believe that their god is capable of anything. Look at all those people that attend these churches where the pastor lays "healing hands" on ailing members of the congregation. Look up the numerous articles on parents who lost children to treatable illnesses when they turned to prayer to heal their kids instead of modern medicine.

Far-Queue posted...

Those who are fully indoctrinated in their faith have belief that runs so deep they believe in miracles against common sense or probability. Those types of people do not know how unlikely the outcome will be, because they believe their god and their faith will be rewarded against all improbable outcomes. Hence why you see people seeking faith healing over traditional medicine.

To be clear, I'm not saying all of those donors fall under this description, but I'd be willing to bet a decent portion do.

There are probably those who know full-well nothing would come of this and donated out of sympathy. I'd imagine those people are perfectly fine with the couple keeping their money.

To emphasize (and reiterate), I'm not saying the whole group of donors falls under this umbrella. Of course good, sensible Christians exist. Never said they didn't. Only that it's not duckbear's (or DailyMail's, for that matter) responsibility to make note of them.

If you folks are arguing that zealots don't exist today who would fall for this, then I've got a bridge to sell you.

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Far-Queue posted...

If you folks are arguing that zealots don't exist today who would fall for this

If that were what anyone was arguing, the money they collected would be all the evidence needed to prove them wrong.

Nobody's saying they don't exist. We're just saying they should know better.

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keyblader1985 posted...

Nobody's saying they don't exist. We're just saying they should know better.

Except that's not what you said:

keyblader1985 posted...

Anyone who donated to this knew exactly how unlikely it was to happen.

If you had started your argument with "should", I may not have replied the way I did. I can agree that people should know better, but as was pointed out already, zealots gonna zealot.

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The only recorded case I've ever heard of someone being resurrected from the dead was Lazarus in Jesus' time. While miracles do happen (I'm not saying that they don't), God put doctors and other medical professionals on this earth for a reason. This is like the joke about the guy who's drowning and waves off three boats, telling each that "God will save me". When he's dead and meets God, the man asks "God, why didn't you save me?" and God answers "Why do you think I sent the three ships that you waved off?"

idiots

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I still stand by what I originally said though. Just a look throughout history would tell you the odds of this working.

The only way that wouldn't be true IMO is if you lump zealots in with people who are legitimately not in their right mind, and thus not able to make sound logical decisions.

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keyblader1985 posted...

I still stand by what I originally said though. Just a look throughout history would tell you the odds of this working.

The only way that wouldn't be true IMO is if you lump zealots in with people who are legitimately not in their right mind, and thus not able to make sound logical decisions.

I love when I don't need to formulate a new argument and can keep posting the same thing because people either lack comprehension or the ability to read. Here you go:

To emphasize (and reiterate), I'm not saying the whole group of donors falls under this umbrella.

Far-Queue posted...

There are scores of people who believe that their god is capable of anything. Look at all those people that attend these churches where the pastor lays "healing hands" on ailing members of the congregation. Look up the numerous articles on parents who lost children to treatable illnesses when they turned to prayer to heal their kids instead of modern medicine.

Far-Queue posted...

Those who are fully indoctrinated in their faith have belief that runs so deep they believe in miracles against common sense or probability. Those types of people do not know how unlikely the outcome will be, because they believe their god and their faith will be rewarded against all improbable outcomes. Hence why you see people seeking faith healing over traditional medicine.

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This was clearly a scam from the start. However folk willingly donated so that's on them. The church should keep said money for the lulz.

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Oh cool, nothing about this is shady manipulate or exploitative at all.

wwinterj25 posted...

This was clearly a scam from the start. However folk willingly donated so that's on them. The church should keep said money for the lulz.

Grandma is too confused for this.

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I'm not sure why you don't think I'm denying or not comprehending this, but none of what you quoted changes or refutes what I said. (of anything it reinforces it, with the "numerous" examples of faith healing failing.

Most religious people do believe that miracles and defying the odds can happen, but at the same time they'd know not to hope for a miracle of this caliber just because there's next to no precedent for it. Believing in the first place that your deity will defy all of human history and grant such miracles to anyone who asks, just suggests that you're not of sound mind. You can try to be a smartass if you want, but it won't change that.

GastroFan posted...

This is like the joke about the guy who's drowning and waves off three boats, telling each that "God will save me". When he's dead and meets God, the man asks "God, why didn't you save me?" and God answers "Why do you think I sent the three ships that you waved off?"

Some people think that God only works in obvious logic-defying miracles. I think it's a lot like the quote from Futurama: "when you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all."

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keyblader1985 posted...

Most religious people do believe that miracles and defying the odds can happen, but at the same time they'd know not to hope for a miracle of this caliber just because there's next to no precedent for it.

Exactly. "Most". Zealots being the outlier. Thanks for trying, though. Keep re-reading what I've posted above until it sinks in

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Why do you keep pressing the point that some people believe in this?

No one has disputed that.

You seriously have some screws loose, dude.

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keyblader1985 posted...

Why do you keep pressing the point that some people believe in this?

No one has disputed that.

Except you did:

keyblader1985 posted...

Anyone who donated to this knew exactly how unlikely it was to happen.

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Religion is a scam

MirMiros posted...

Religion is a scam

Indeed, any mainly works because somehow every excuse they use enables them.

This might get a bit long-winded, so if you don't want to read it, don't. Just my views on things.

Just as a few examples.. :

"My cousin died in a car crash today... must have been his time."

"Wow, that baby survived being thrown by a tornado! Angels saved him/her!"

"Let us rub this generic oil on your head as a 'blessing', and you'll be healed from your sickness."

"Let's say a prayer before every time we eat, and it'll make us healthier."

The list could go on, and on, and on. Any ridiculous excuse could be made, and a religious person would believe it. They don't think that coincidences happen, or simply don't understand that there are enough people on the planet for just about anything you could imagine to happen. (within reason)

People don't, haven't, and won't come back from the dead. They got scammed, so those people should get their money back. If someone seems to have come back from the dead, that simply means they weren't actually dead. There's been people in comatose states who've been buried before because someone thought they were dead, but they end up banging on the casket from the inside after being buried sometimes, or they just die from suffocation for real thereafter.

In some places, they place a bell with a string attached inside the casket, just in case someone is actually buried alive and needs to be rescued. It's extremely rare, but it's been reported to have happened before.

They say angels came from the "heavens". If you remember where it was they were referring to, it was usually the clouds in the sky. Nowadays, we know that the only thing beyond those clouds is thinner and thinner air, until no air and you reach space. We're still working on exploring space. So then religion decided that once we learned about space, they had to make up another lie. "God made the universe, and everything in it." Except they didn't even know about the universe and space in general back in "Jesus' time". They all assumed the Earth was flat for a long, long time, even back when the Bible, etc. was written. Until ancient Greece figured it out, but there was no world-wide communication to communicate their findings across the globe... so the farce continued everywhere, even to today where we should all know better.

Folks just need to get educated and use their brains a bit more, then they wouldn't fall for scams. Less time and money spent on something that will get you nowhere but believing in fairy tales.

In fact, most religious ones that use the word "believe" should look up its definition.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/believe?s=t

It basically means placing your trust in something you cannot prove, which too many people do. Live by proven facts. Science exists to do this, and science also exists to prove religion continuously wrong. For example, my religious father does not understand that the Earth rotates at about 1,000 MPH. (thinks it would throw everyone off) He is confusing it with RPM, (rotations per minute) and does not know and has not bothered to understand the science behind it. Also thinks the Earth hasn't been around for more than 10,000 years, since if I recall correctly, that's what our Mormon religion had taught him or something. To think he was an aspiring Meteorologist, too.

Anyhow, I know I went a bit off-topic, but it's just how I feel about these things. I grew up in a Mormon family and had these teachings shoved down my throat for nearly two decades before I decided I had enough of it. I was smart enough to realize what place I held on Earth and how insignificant we humans are in the grand scheme of things. Yes, the conditions of our solar system, planet and everything seem 'a little too perfect'. That doesn't mean we're that special. Coincidences happen a lot if there's enough people, or enough of something. The universe has no shortage of galaxies, solar systems and planets to boot, so things like we have right now are bound to happen at some point, especially given how much time it's all been around. (an unfathomable amount of time)

I just hope more people wake up from their illusions and move on with their lives. What we should focus on is accruing knowledge and technological advancement as a species, not focusing on fantasies. Of course some previous fantasies have been made wonderful new & useful technologies, but we should understand the differences. (such as Cellphones as seen in the old Star Trek before we had them for real)

I still agree with afrodude77

afrodude77 posted...

If they are too cowardly to perform necromancy then return the money.

They should at least try. If they don't try to perform the necromancy, they shouldn't keep the money...

adjl posted...

The money wasn't to fund the resurrection itself, it was because they figured it'd probably be really expensive to take care of a recently-resurrected toddler. Since there was so much precedent for that and all.

Exactly!

GastroFan posted...

The only recorded case I've ever heard of someone being resurrected from the dead was Lazarus in Jesus' time. While miracles do happen (I'm not saying that they don't), God put doctors and other medical professionals on this earth for a reason. This is like the joke about the guy who's drowning and waves off three boats, telling each that "God will save me". When he's dead and meets God, the man asks "God, why didn't you save me?" and God answers "Why do you think I sent the three ships that you waved off?"

I definitely agree with this. I always wonder why people think it has to be some crazy kind of miracle when there are ways God can save you using things on Earth...
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LinkPizza posted...

GastroFan posted...

The only recorded case I've ever heard of someone being resurrected from the dead was Lazarus in Jesus' time. While miracles do happen (I'm not saying that they don't), God put doctors and other medical professionals on this earth for a reason. This is like the joke about the guy who's drowning and waves off three boats, telling each that "God will save me". When he's dead and meets God, the man asks "God, why didn't you save me?" and God answers "Why do you think I sent the three ships that you waved off?"

I definitely agree with this. I always wonder why people think it has to be some crazy kind of miracle when there are ways God can save you using things on Earth...

There are no such things as miracles. Nothing that has ever happened that people proclaim a miracle that couldn't be explained with a secular/scientific explanation. Referencing the bible for proof that a resurrection has happened before is like referencing Harry Potter for proof that magic is real.

MirMiros posted...

There are no such things as miracles. Nothing that has ever happened that people proclaim a miracle that couldn't be explained with a secular/scientific explanation. Referencing the bible for proof that a resurrection has happened before is like referencing Harry Potter for proof that magic is real.

Yeah. I don't care about all of that. What I'm saying is people always think that if something is bad, a super miracle has to happen for them to be save. Like the guy drowning in the ocean. Did he think God would magically lift him out of the sea and fly him back home? Why would he think God sent him the boats? That makes so much sense. I would think the boats finding me was a miracle. That's what I'm getting at...
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LinkPizza posted...

Yeah. I don't care about all of that. What I'm saying is people always think that if something is bad, a super miracle has to happen for them to be save. Like the guy drowning in the ocean. Did he think God would magically lift him out of the sea and fly him back home? Why would he think God sent him the boats? That makes so much sense. I would think the boats finding me was a miracle. That's what I'm getting at...

Except its not a "miracle". A miracle is an event unexplainable by natural and scientific law, and thus could only have happened through divine agency. Miracles, no matter how small, have never happened.

MirMiros posted...

Except its not a "miracle". A miracle is an event unexplainable by natural and scientific law, and thus could only have happened through divine agency. Miracles, no matter how small, have never happened.

Ok. Again, I dont care that you dont believe in miracles. And I never said whether I believe in them or not. What youre saying also doesnt change anything Im saying. So, is there a point to this? Or are you trying to start a pointless argument over nothing?
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