Current Events > Mom denied her 4 year old Tamiflu. He died

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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1131936

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LightHawKnight posted...

The hell are potatoes in socks supposed to do? Rot?

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jfc that article is still going on about how common flu is more of a threat than nCOV

sorry but i stopped reading right there

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prison

no excuses

Tamiflu just lessens your symptoms. It doesn't kill viruses. They also charge like $300 for it nowadays.

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My coworker said that a pediatrician advised against Tamiflu for his baby. I know a pharmacist who doesn't like it either but I'm not sure of the reason.

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Something some onions/potatos in socks absorb "toxins" something something cure.

I had my ultra-new york-liberal brother-in-law recommend putting onions in my sock to help with a bug I got. I really had to hold my tongue on that one. Medicine is not the place to experiment with home remedies and traditional cures. We don't need those anymore. We have an extremely robust medical community chomping at the bit to find new cures they can invent or bring to market. If someone could isolate onion powder's active ingredients and put it on an adhesive bandage for your foot and get FDA approval, they would have already.

I don't want to downplay that simple herbs can have beneficial effects--Dramamine is basically just the isolated active ingredient in ginger. But make sure that stuff has been clinically tested first, because most stuff just doesn't, you know, do anything. And also, we cannot excrete any significant amount of "toxins" through our skin, our pores are just not mechanically designed for that. That's why we have a liver, kidney, and urinary tract.

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EndOfDiscOne posted...

My coworker said that a pediatrician advised against Tamiflu for his baby. I know a pharmacist who doesn't like it either but I'm not sure of the reason.

Yeah, when I went to the doctor's earlier in the month my doctor thought it was pretty much a scam. It's expensive and maybe helps you get better one day faster at most.
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Pogo_Marimo posted...

Something some onions/potatos in socks absorb "toxins" something something cure.

I had my ultra-new york-liberal brother-in-law recommend putting onions in my sock to help with a bug I got. I really had to hold my tongue on that one. Medicine is not the place to experiment with home remedies and traditional cures. We don't need those anymore. We have an extremely robust medical community chomping at the bit to find new cures they can invent or bring to market. If someone could isolate onion powder's active ingredients and put it on an adhesive bandage for your foot and get FDA approval, they would have already.

I don't want to downplay that simple herbs can have beneficial effects--Dramamine is basically just the isolated active ingredient in ginger. But make sure that stuff has been clinically tested first, because most stuff just doesn't, you know, do anything. And also, we cannot excrete any significant amount of "toxins" through our skin, our pores are just not mechanically designed for that. That's why we have a liver, kidney, and urinary tract.

Why the hell would an onion or potato absorb toxins?!

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LightHawKnight posted...

Why the hell would an onion or potato absorb toxins?!

That is a great question.

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Would tamiflu have helped?
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emblem boy posted...

Would tamiflu have helped?

The kid is dead soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.........

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On some level I can see turning to alternative medicine if you've reasonably tried every modern medicine vaccine, medicine, cure etc and you've had no results or effective treatment.

But immediately denying it is beyond the pale to me. I can understand not being able to afford it, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

emblem boy posted...

Would tamiflu have helped?

The article seems to want to go after anti-vaxxers, but it really hurts itself by espousing the same propaganda of common flu being a bigger threat than nCOV. They kind of come off as dumb as the anti-vaxxers

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solosnake posted...

jfc that article is still going on about how common flu is more of a threat than nCOV

sorry but i stopped reading right there

Let's be realistic here

The flu is still much more of a threat to your average American than the coronavirus

And not to say that the flu is more deadly or dangerous but it's more common and likely to affect your average American than coronavirus is

Jagr_68 posted...

emblem boy posted...

Would tamiflu have helped?

The kid is dead soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.........

I guess I'm just wondering if the lack of access to tamiflu is the real culprit. Maybe the kid should have been in a hospital instead or something
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solosnake posted...

emblem boy posted...

Would tamiflu have helped?

The article seems to want to go after anti-vaxxers, but it really hurts itself by espousing the same propaganda of common flu being a bigger threat than nCOV. They kind of come off as dumb as the anti-vaxxers

I mean, I'd think the flu is a bigger threat for most of us right now. But maybe you're defining threat differently than me
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emblem boy posted...

Jagr_68 posted...

emblem boy posted...

Would tamiflu have helped?

The kid is dead soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.........

I guess I'm just wondering if the lack of access to tamiflu is the real culprit. Maybe the kid should have been in a hospital instead or something

I was implying that it was better than nothing as the side effects of treatment outweigh dying. Also the fundamental fact of the matter is that children, the elderly, and those with weak immune systems are highly at risk for the flu compared to the rest of the population, it's just unfortunately the way things are but that's what medicine and vaccines are for; not to cure, but to give cells a boost to combat infection.

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emblem boy posted...

Would tamiflu have helped?

We don't know. The answer is probably not but since the kid is dead feels like it would have been at least worth trying.

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She killed her child by standing by while he suffered, especially when medicine that could/would save his life was readily available.

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solosnake posted...

emblem boy posted...

Would tamiflu have helped?

The article seems to want to go after anti-vaxxers, but it really hurts itself by espousing the same propaganda of common flu being a bigger threat than nCOV. They kind of come off as dumb as the anti-vaxxers

They're not wrong though.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm
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Sigh

Ok fine so Tamiflu doesnt kill the virus, how about trying a different prescription instead of a fucking potato?

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I want to say something but edginess is not tolerated on SnowflakeFAQs.

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Solid Sonic posted...

I want to say something but edginess is not tolerated on SnowflakeFAQs.

Calling it that could get you modded to, remember no name calling.

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Any anti vaxxer is a dangerous threat and needs to be shamed and ridiculed.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

Calling it that could get you modded to, remember no name calling.

I am insulting an entity, not an individual. If they get mad and moderate that then this is a dictatorial autocracy.

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You think the mods care about that ?, come on you know the truth.

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So are you guys saying Tamiflu just makes you feel better and doesn't diminish the actual flu

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Pogo_Marimo posted...

I had my ultra-new york-liberal brother-in-law recommend putting onions in my sock to help with a bug I got. I really had to hold my tongue on that one. Medicine is not the place to experiment with home remedies and traditional cures. We don't need those anymore. We have an extremely robust medical community chomping at the bit to find new cures they can invent or bring to market. If someone could isolate onion powder's active ingredients and put it on an adhesive bandage for your foot and get FDA approval, they would have already.

How do you think Medicine got to this point?

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Sad_Face posted...

How do you think Medicine got to this point?

The scientific method.

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Solid Sonic posted...

I am insulting an entity, not an individual. If they get mad and moderate that then this is a dictatorial autocracy.

Got modded for calling trumpers a name. Cause apparently there are trump supporters on this website.

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Pogo_Marimo posted...

The scientific method.

The scientific method is a convention to standardize how people convey their research. But that's not the main source. Which is curiosity. Acting upon that curiosity, experimenting, and the drive to contribute to society is what led us to incredible innovations.

And realize that the only difference between alternative medicine and medicine is that the latter is peer reviewed, the former is not. There's a tribe out there where boys are given a surgery with no anesthesia that's essentially a vasectomy to pass as men. But the kicker here is that the vasectomy is done in such a way that you have a plug or switch if you may, that can determine whether not you want to have kids. Imagine if someone were to go and learn that surgery technique and get it approved and patented, how much do you think that would be worth?

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Sad_Face posted...

The scientific method is a convention to standardize how people convey their research. But that's not the main source. Which is curiosity. Acting upon that curiosity, experimenting, and the drive to contribute to society is what led us to incredible innovations.

And realize that the only difference between alternative medicine and medicine is that the latter is peer reviewed, the former is not. There's a tribe out there where boys are given a surgery with no anesthesia that's essentially a vasectomy to pass as men. But the kicker here is that the vasectomy is done in such a way that you have a plug or switch if you may, that can determine whether not you want to have kids. Imagine if someone were to go and learn that surgery technique and get it approved and patented, how much do you think that would be worth?

No, curiosity gave us 100,000 years of hack "cures" and snake oil. The scientific method gave us in a few hundreds years advances that dwarfed everything humans had done previously by several magnitudes.

The biggest difference between medicine and alternative medicine is that we actually know medicine works, and we often explicitly know alternative medicine does not work.

Also, really? Lmfao where did you read that? Where's your proof? Is this place called "Wakanda" by chance?

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solosnake posted...

jfc that article is still going on about how common flu is more of a threat than nCOV

sorry but i stopped reading right there

Corona virus is going to disappear and be forgotten just like the other half dozen "world ending viruses" that have popped up over the last 20 years.

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My pharmacists aren't too huge on Tamiflu and I regularly see people who turn it down because it's too expensive through their insurance.

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ledbowman posted...

So are you guys saying Tamiflu just makes you feel better and doesn't diminish the actual flu

that's what it does, mommy should've done more to save him.
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Sad_Face posted...

And realize that the only difference between alternative medicine and medicine is that the latter is peer reviewed

That's a huge fucking difference, bro. We have absolutely no clue on the efficacy of alternative medicine, which isn't the best when you're being prescribed treatment right here and now. Medicine is not fool proof, but alternative is a shot in the dark every time. It would be real medicine if we knew more solidly about it.

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hockeybub89 posted...

That's a huge f***ing difference, bro. We have absolutely no clue on the efficacy of alternative medicine, which isn't the best when you're being prescribed treatment right here and now. Medicine is not fool proof, but alternative is a shot in the dark every time. It would be real medicine if we knew more solidly about it.

No joke, I want to start a company of converting practices of "alternative medicine" into medicine. There's so much knowledge out there to be processed and it'll be a blast learning about thousands of years of medicinal practices. Of course 99% of alternative medicine are duds. But I want to be in on the star ones, like the one I mentioned to Pogo.

Pogo_Marimo posted...

No, curiosity gave us 100,000 years of hack "cures" and snake oil. The scientific method gave us in a few hundreds years advances that dwarfed everything humans had done previously by several magnitudes.

I recall a documentary of people digging up skeletons of the times of constructing the pyramids of Egypt. They discovered skeletons of people who had fractures and broken bones repaired and the scientists concluded that Egypt's healthcare was on point during those times. Someone calculated the size of the Earth with a stick in the early A.D. There's a lot of technological and medicinal practices and knowledge even back then. It's not at all limited to the scientific method.

It appears to me that you're really putting a lot of stock and faith in trusted authorities, in this case, scientific methods and the institutions that follow it. You're essentially putting the concept of modern science on a pedestal. That'll bite you in the hide. I see it all the time in the crypto world where politicians have no clue what's going on (see Mark Zuckerberg's hearing on Libra), and people being swayed by hype and whatnot and not understanding the fundamentals or the vision or the goal all while those who love the concept are driven by the motivation to bring this a reality. The scientific method plays no role in the sheer amount of investment and development of this field. It's all about people wanting to change the world for the better.

It's hard to convey the connection but you need to be holding the pursuit of knowledge on the pedestal and not the process in which knowledge is found and conveyed. There's a lot that people don't know about and there's a lot to be explored. The scientific method is purely the standard in which you convey your research but the curiosity and the hunger to learn what's beyond the mountain in the horizon is what drives it.

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Jesus christ, talk about Dunning-Kruger effect.

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Tamiflu doesn't cure or relieve symptoms and tamiflu for a toddler or infant isn't advised because it is strong as shit and can make them all whacked out.

Also - tamiflu doesn't work as well once you actually have the full effects of the flu. If you can take it proactively then it will work as intended.

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By definition, (I begin)
Alternative medicine, (I continue)
Is either not been proved to work,
Or been proved, not to work.
Do you know what they call
'Alternative Medicine'
That's been proved to work?

-- Medicine

~ Tim Minchin

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Cmon guys don't rag on alternative medicine, it hasn't done anything to anyone.

hehehe

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Cookie Bag posted...

it hasn't done anything to anyone.

it has done something.... an early preventable death.
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Tamiflu is heavily advertised, but many doctors believe that Tamiflu does not work well enough to justify the high cost of the drug, or the CDC recommendation that all patients take it.[2] These doctors point out that there is very little high quality evidence that Tamiflu reduces the rate of serious complications from the flu.

The most common side effects of Tamiflu are:
Nausea
Vomiting
Diarrhea
Stomach pains
Dizziness
Headaches
The more serious side effects include:
Seizures
Sudden confusion
Delirium
Hallucinations
Unusual behavior
Self-injury
The serious side effects are very rare, but tend to occur more often in children, so if your child is taking Tamiflu and you notice any of these symptoms, speak to your doctor immediately and discontinue use of Tamiflu.[6]

http://www.center4research.org/tamiflu-not-tamiflu/

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kingdrake2 posted...

it has done something.... an early preventable death.

Missed the joke. It doesn't do anything!

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