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TheHoldSteady
02/12/20 2:54:12 PM
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What happened???

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Polycosm
02/12/20 2:58:32 PM
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Poll numbers built on name recognition and "electability" are brittle.

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TheMikh
02/12/20 2:59:18 PM
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old blood, easy target, bad reputation, establishment incarnate

mind you, klobuchar is old blood as well - and she and buttigieg are both establishment incarnate - but they're fresh faces with charisma going for them

and warren, of course, is bernie-lite for the semi-progressive wing of the former clinton coalition

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Coastal_elite
02/12/20 2:59:46 PM
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Polycosm posted...
Poll numbers built on name recognition and "electability" are brittle.

what I don't understand is that there's usually a single moment one can point out to the implosion, a single mistake or something.

Not here. He went from presumptive nominee to.... tier B
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NeonOctopus
02/12/20 2:59:50 PM
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Antifar
02/12/20 3:00:41 PM
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He got hit pretty hard on his social security record, which eroded his support among the older voters that are his base. Additionally, he's always been strongest among black voters, and there just aren't a lot of them in Iowa or New Hampshire.
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Coastal_elite
02/12/20 3:00:45 PM
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TheMikh posted...
uttigieg are both establishment incarnate

how is the major of some tiny town in the midwest establishment incarnate?
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BalanceLost
02/12/20 3:01:14 PM
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NeonOctopus posted...
Nice context TC
He finished 5th (?) in the NH primary and did poorly in Iowa too.

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Mr_Rian
02/12/20 3:02:20 PM
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Coastal_elite posted...
what I don't understand is that there's usually a single moment one can point out to the implosion, a single mistake or something.

Not here. He went from presumptive nominee to.... tier B
Not when all you run in is "You know who I am". Usually people have a little more than that. And let's not forget that he was not expected to do well in the first few states.

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Gobstoppers12
02/12/20 3:02:54 PM
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To be fair, a significant portion of his campaign strategy has been to tell people to vote for other candidates.

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UnfairRepresent
02/12/20 3:04:00 PM
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it's less what he did and more what he didn't do

he came In as the hit favorite and the man Trump was committing crimes over due to fear

then he did fuck all for his campaign, coasting on his name while making gaffes

Meanwhile every other candidate created a platform and went for it
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Tyranthraxus
02/12/20 3:04:28 PM
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TheHoldSteady posted...
What happened???
They polled the block of people that like to stay home and answer internet polls but can't be bothered to go out and actually vote.

See: Hillary Clinton 91% chance of winning.

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Pseudomenon
02/12/20 3:06:08 PM
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NeonOctopus posted...
Nice context TC
This. I thought he spontaneously combusted and now I'm disappointed.

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hockeybub89
02/12/20 3:06:33 PM
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Coastal_elite posted...
how is the major of some tiny town in the midwest establishment incarnate?
The man has lived his entire life for this moment. He exists to run for President.

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Antifar
02/12/20 3:09:51 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
They polled the block of people that like to stay home and answer internet polls but can't be bothered to go out and actually vote.

I don't think that describes Biden's support.
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Umbreon
02/12/20 3:13:13 PM
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Turns out being the Vice President of the last President isn't the auto win Biden thought it was.

Which hey, works for me. I'm rooting for Bernie

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bevan306
02/12/20 3:15:48 PM
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maybe you should start the nomination in states that actually represent the democrat base. I notice certain bernie supporters playing victim all the time, but the reality is biden is the candidate most gypped by this process

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TheMikh
02/12/20 3:17:46 PM
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Coastal_elite posted...
how is the major of some tiny town in the midwest establishment incarnate?

the party brass has its favorites; origin (whether indiana, minnesota, or previously arkansas) doesn't matter so much

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Tyranthraxus
02/12/20 3:17:46 PM
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bevan306 posted...
maybe you should start the nomination in states that actually represent the democrat base. I notice certain bernie supporters playing victim all the time, but the reality is biden is the candidate most gypped by this process
No one really cares about what happens until super Tuesday.

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Sayoria
02/12/20 3:19:17 PM
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No one wanted him except the media. They forced him down our throats trying to push their desired candidate and the people weren't having it. Everyone saw through the ruse, and not the media is having a hard time dealing with it.

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solosnake
02/12/20 3:19:22 PM
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Why would Biden have any chance when he is just as corrupt as hillary?

Was never a smart choice for a candidate.

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Mr_Rian
02/12/20 3:20:16 PM
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bevan306 posted...
I notice certain bernie supporters playing victim all the time
Pointing out when the news and DNC blatantly work to denigrate Sanders and actively avoid giving him his dues is not playing victim.

The process is the process, and it is not a good one, and you hear that from almost everybody every two years.

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DD Divine
02/12/20 3:21:05 PM
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Good

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Sayoria
02/12/20 3:22:10 PM
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If the media outlets actually focused on Bernie and pushed their support behind him, Bernie could easily kick Trump's ass, but they have to be anti-heroes in this case.

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Antifar
02/12/20 3:22:29 PM
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Sayoria posted...
They forced him down our throats trying to push their desired candidate and the people weren't having it.

If anything I think the opposite has been true for most the past year. There have been a lot of people in the media who assumed Biden would fade when given scrutiny to his extremely bad record, but he just kept topping polls until two weeks ago. Meanwhile, there have been multiple attempts to drum up surges for Klobuchar from prominent op-ed columnists, and only now does that seem to be happening.
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UnholyMudcrab
02/12/20 3:23:23 PM
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Klobuchar has been CNN's darling since the debates started. Probably before that, too.

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solosnake
02/12/20 3:24:38 PM
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Honestly Biden never should have even been VP, he is lucky Obama picked him

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bevan306
02/12/20 3:28:45 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
No one really cares about what happens until super Tuesday.
I'm pretty sure biden cares, since any momentum he had coming into this has evaporated by starting in states that don't like him

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Monolith1676
02/12/20 3:29:34 PM
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I guess no one wanted to sit on his lap and feel his leg hair.

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ChaoticNeutral
02/12/20 3:33:45 PM
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Joe "Barack Obama" Biden had one gimmick to cling on, and that was being second fiddle to Obama

He had nothing else
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Tyranthraxus
02/12/20 3:46:18 PM
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bevan306 posted...
I'm pretty sure biden cares, since any momentum he had coming into this has evaporated by starting in states that don't like him

Biden cares but super Tuesday is like the second round in jackbox where if you do good enough it basically invalidates the prior lead anyone else had.

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Cheater87
02/12/20 3:47:59 PM
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He told people to vote for someone else! :P

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DragonGirlYuki
02/12/20 3:48:16 PM
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Nice

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Coastal_elite
02/12/20 4:02:53 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
The man has lived his entire life for this moment. He exists to run for President.

source?
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Coastal_elite
02/12/20 4:03:35 PM
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TheMikh posted...
the party brass has its favorites; origin (whether indiana, minnesota, or previously arkansas) doesn't matter so much

so no candidates can come from there?
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glitteringfairy
02/12/20 4:04:58 PM
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His corrupt ass was exposed. The house suicided him for some dumb reason in another nothingburger against Trump.

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Coastal_elite
02/12/20 4:16:07 PM
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glitteringfairy posted...
he house suicided him for some dumb reason in another nothingburger against Trump.

if the Ukraine thing was the reason then we might as well proclaim 45 lifetime president (or king) and call it a day. This would be a bad precedent: Want your rival to lose? Just use the power of the state to investigate/smear him and call it a day!

Let's make up reasons - if buttghieg wins the orange one might order he gets investigated for having sex with gebrils. If Warren wins the orange one might order she gets investigated for taking a dump on sacred indian burial grounds while dressed as pocahontas. If bernie wins the orange one might order he gets investigated for being part of the russian communist party and carrying out hit jobs for stalin personally.

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pinky0926
02/12/20 4:17:03 PM
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Enjoy trump for another 4 years

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Coastal_elite
02/12/20 4:20:11 PM
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pinky0926 posted...
Enjoy trump for another 4 years

yup
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RchHomieQuanChi
02/12/20 4:26:40 PM
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He pulled a Hillary, except 10 times worse.

He thought name recognition and vague "electability" would carry him. He started acting like he already had it, kept telling people questioning his policies to basically fuck off and so....they did lmao

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DeadBankerDream
02/12/20 4:28:20 PM
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Imagine becoming a traitor to your country and extorting your foreign allies as president to get something to mudsling at the fifth place holder.
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Vyrulisse
02/12/20 4:32:24 PM
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Umbreon posted...
Turns out being the Vice President of the last President isn't the auto win Biden thought it was.

Which hey, works for me. I'm rooting for Bernie
Probably would have been if he had run last time. The iron was hot then and now it's not, at least not for him.

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Colorahdo
02/12/20 4:33:50 PM
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I don't really follow the elections, when will we know like 90% who is running against Trump?

I didn't realize they're already voting/whatever the hell caucuses are

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Antifar
02/12/20 4:35:04 PM
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Colorahdo posted...
I don't really follow the elections, when will we know like 90% who is running against Trump?

I didn't realize they're already voting/whatever the hell caucuses are

We'll have a better idea after Super Tuesday (March 3), but my best guess is that this will remain up in the air until the summer.
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Tyranthraxus
02/12/20 5:32:27 PM
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Antifar posted...
We'll have a better idea after Super Tuesday (March 3), but my best guess is that this will remain up in the air until the summer.

Nah. It's over come Super Tuesday. Pete's momentum is going to evaporate in the face of high minority voter population states. Biden will pick up some but not enough.

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Coastal_elite
02/12/20 6:15:41 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Pete's momentum is going to evaporate in the face of high minority voter population states.

this frustrates me so much. It's a paradox.

the orange one treats minorities like shit. But minorities won't vote for any democrat unless he or she is a minority, even if that means another orange term.
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CableZL
02/12/20 6:16:33 PM
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I think it all started when he challenged that one guy to a push up contest

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CableZL
02/12/20 6:17:31 PM
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Coastal_elite posted...
this frustrates me so much. It's a paradox.

the orange one treats minorities like shit. But minorities won't vote for any democrat unless he or she is a minority, even if that means another orange term.
Eh, I wouldn't say that's true. Minorities have been voting for white democrats for decades.

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