Poll of the Day > Why don't they just change Gun Free Zones to "Violence Free Zones"???

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Gun Free Zones simply aren't going to cut it, because they ONLY stop gun violence. What if the psychotic killer has a knife, or a chainsaw, or a baseball bat wrapped in barbed wire? We need to stop ALL violence! An easy solution would be to change "Gun Free" to "Violence Free" on all signs!

We need to make sure that all those vicious criminals who routinely stop to read door signs before they begin their killing sprees are properly deterred by the text (use BIG FONTS! / LIVES ARE AT STAKE HERE!). Violence will NOT be tolerated!

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shipwreckers posted...

Gun Free Zones simply aren't going to cut it, because they ONLY stop gun violence.

they dont do that though

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Even if you take away all weapons, a person can still punch you to death.
Even if you bind their arms, they can still kick you do death.
Even if you bind their legs too, they can still roll into you so you fall in the road right as a truck drives by.

Implementing gun control in areas where gun violence is high will help, and if you think it isn't worth it if it only ever saves a single life, then maybe you should try to love your neighbors more than you love your guns.

In any event, the ultimate solution is to not give people a reason to become violent, but until such a goal can be reached, it's only natural, and responsible, for people to try to mitigate the damage wherever and however they can.

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Are you SURE the anti-violence signs won't work? Even if we use really, REALLY BIG FONT (maybe even in comic sans, just to catch the criminal's eye as they walk into the building)???

I'm gonna vote for Mike Bloomberg, because he'll know exactly what to put on the signs to deter crime.

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Mead posted...

they dont do that though

https://woodyswisdom.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/sarcasm.jpg

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It's like when the Swedish police were giving free anti sexual assault bracelets. You know, to help with their diversity policies.

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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcwz8-EfFYE
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I like this thread because I get the joke.

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shipwreckers posted...

https://woodyswisdom.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/sarcasm.jpg

I didnt get a lot of sleep yesterday

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Youd need at least a size 500 font for it to work (maybe), and most institutions arent ready to commit to that size font yet. Too expensive, too impractical, and lets be honest... too sexy.

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Two words:

War profiteering

Also we currently exist within a culture of violence. Until violence is no longer used as a tool, violence will plague us.

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So you're saying I can commit violence freely except in these zones?

Okay. Serious talk. Because it's impossible and utterly impractical. There are plenty of legit reasons why a person who owns a gun would have it on them or in their possession/area while going about their daily lives and a person who owns a gun can avoid such places, assuming prior knowledge, or leave their gun in a safe place if they can't for whatever reason.

However, let's say we tried to ban knives as well. Knives are a common-use item that basically everyone utilizes because, well, they're useful. Anything more than a property-wide ban would require a lot of people to get rid of various culinary tools as well as knives or things that could be classified as knives and make their lives a LOT more difficult. Especially if the property would have a good reason to have knives on-hand (such as a school having a cafeteria). However just restricting metal knives means people could still carry plastic knives on them, along with forks and other things which could be utilized to hurt a person. While a ban on metal knives might keep them from carrying the most lethal variety it's not going to stop a bully or a rage-filled child from hurting another child.

It's the classic balance between freedom and security. The more free you are the less secure you are. The more secure you are the more freedoms you have to give up. While you could, in theory, ban violence the only way you could really do so is by banning everything a person could take with them and strapping them into chairs while security forces watch. Even lesser forms become increasingly dicticorial well past the point of practicality and into the point of absurdity.

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So your opinion is that we should allow guns in public schools and government buildings?

Thanks for sharing.

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Yellow posted...

So your opinion is that we should allow guns in public schools and government buildings?

they tend to find their way there even when we dont

I kinda doubt thered be so many school shootings if the kids knew there was some kind of armed security or if trained administrators were armed

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Yes armed police officers are currently allowed in schools, even though then you see articles popping up of cops losing their shit and threatening students, they're no joke probably a good thing to have in every school anyway.

Teachers with handguns in their drawers though and parents and kids just waltzing in open carry, lol.

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Mead posted...

they tend to find their way there even when we dont

I kinda doubt thered be so many school shootings if the kids knew there was some kind of armed security or if trained administrators were armed

Yellow posted...

Yes armed police officers are currently allowed in schools, even though then you see articles popping up of cops losing their shit and threatening students, they're no joke probably a good thing to have in every school anyway.

Teachers with handguns in their drawers though and parents and kids just waltzing in open carry, lol.

Well, teachers and armed security STILL won't deter gun violence when the offender is an absolute psychotic social outcast with a suicide wish. If anything it'll ENCOURAGE gun violence, because it'll guarantee easy national attention, and an easy way out of this world (suicide by cop / suicide by teacher / suicide by highly-trained commando janitor).

So, that really only leaves one viable option. We MUST consider better anti-violence signage (at ALL entry points throughout the entire school)! Font choice MATTERS. A lighthearted font like Comic Sans may have a powerful calming effect. Do NOT underestimate the power of Comic Sans!

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shipwreckers posted...

Well, teachers and armed security STILL won't deter gun violence when the offender is an absolute psychotic social outcast with a suicide wish. If anything it'll ENCOURAGE gun violence, because it'll guarantee easy national attention, and an easy way out of this world (suicide by cop / suicide by teacher / suicide by highly-trained commando janitor).

the fact that most mass shootings occur in gun free zones kinda suggests otherwise

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shipwreckers posted...

Well, teachers and armed security STILL won't deter gun violence when the offender is an absolute psychotic social outcast with a suicide wish. If anything it'll ENCOURAGE gun violence, because it'll guarantee easy national attention, and an easy way out of this world (suicide by cop / suicide by teacher / suicide by highly-trained commando janitor).

So, that really only leaves one viable option. We MUST consider better anti-violence signage (at ALL entry points throughout the entire school)! Font choice MATTERS. A lighthearted font like Comic Sans may have a powerful calming effect. Do NOT underestimate the power of Comic Sans!

You're not being clear here, so I'm just going to go ahead and assume the worst (which is reasonable), that you want anyone to be allowed to bring in guns in gun free zones, and remove the sticker.

Gun violence would skyrocket fool. You know that fist fights happen in schools? Bullying? Tension between angry hormonal teenagers in crowded places? GameFAQ's "librul" mods wouldn't allow me to tell you how I feel about that.

That fucking sticker is a lifesaver because otherwise morons would bring their fucking guns to school without the threat of being expelled and arrested. You act like every murder is planned ahead of time and not in the moment. Ever thought of the idea that murderers typically aren't good at controlling their impulses, that some don't plan their evil schemes ahead of time? "Yeah, I'm just going to get real mad and shoot someone on Tuesday because they're probably going to say something really mean to me, so I better get some ammo" /jokedontarrestme

How many times will you be wrong before you stop talking. There's a gun where your brain should be.

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Mead posted...

the fact that most mass shootings occur in gun free zones kinda suggests otherwise

Well, all sarcasm aside, I guess that brings us to a real choke point, because if there's truly nothing environmentally-speaking that can deter the criminals themselves from attempting violence in the first place (armed personnel / signs / gun-free laws or zones / etc.). If a psycho wants to kill (for whatever the hell reason), an attempt to kill will be made.

Granted, you could try to step back further and try to "stop violence before it starts," with solutions like better parenting, better education, better love, etc. (so people won't be raised with such inclination to violence in the first place). But that's not practical in everyday, shitty life. You can't possibly shield every single child from all possible negative influences (and even if you COULD, you can't prevent other factors like mental illness or disorders from happening).

I fear that (seriously speaking) the general public will only be safe from immediate, effective retaliation to the shooter (like that church shooting in Texas), than all these endless attempts we see at violence prevention.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/01/13/jack-wilson-texas-church-shooting-hero-medal-courage/4461454002/

I'm not saying prevention efforts are a waste. Who knows how much violence they actually DO prevent? But, when the exceptions to the rule slip through, there needs to be a competent gun waiting on the other end, or innocent people WILL die.

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Yellow posted...

You're not being clear here, so I'm just going to go ahead and assume the worst (which is reasonable), that you want anyone to be allowed to bring in guns in gun free zones, and remove the sticker.

No, I don't think anybody is making a case here that ANYONE and EVERYONE should be able to prance in with a deadly weapon. I live in NC, so even with a fully-legal concealed handgun permit, Schools and other government facilities are protected from gun access (concealed or open carry). I don't think that should change at all (nor do I think anyone else in this topic is making that case).

Yellow posted...

That fucking sticker is a lifesaver because otherwise morons would bring their fucking guns to school without the threat of being expelled and arrested. You act like every murder is planned ahead of time and not in the moment. Ever thought of the idea that murderers typically aren't good at controlling their impulses, that some don't plan their evil schemes ahead of time? "Yeah, I'm just going to get real mad and shoot someone on Tuesday because they're probably going to say something really mean to me, so I better get some ammo" /jokedontarrestme

You're trying to prove a negative here, which isn't really possible (that shootings do NOT exist when signs are up). There's no way to prove correlation that the ABSENCE of gun violence relates to signs (especially when you consider the thousands of schools out there that have been issue-free for decades, without any damn signage whatsoever). Granted, I would LOVE it if there was some way to prove this. That just isn't the case.

Yellow posted...

How many times will you be wrong before you stop talking. There's a gun where your brain should be.

I'm not sure I like the tone of this. Perhaps if Gamefaqs would let you change the font choice, we could communicate better, and more cordially.

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You can't stop all violence like the way you say in your OP because some people are already violent and it's not clearly known until that person acts on their violence. You can't stop people from being violent.

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If you have "Violence Free Zones" does that make everywhere else a "Violence Permitted Zone"?
This is of course seperate from sporting events and battlefields which are specific "Violence Encouraged Zones".

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Wouldn't it be better to just have signs for pain, injury and death free zones? Cut out the middle man of violence.

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