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What's your definition of "strategic"?

FFXIII's combat is a strange beast.
The complaint that the majority of the game can be beat by mashing X has merit, but can easily be said for the rest of the series as well. Save for a few boss battles, you'll wreck most of the encounters just using Rav Rav Com just like previous entries can be stomped using attack with the best equipment available.
They made individual encounters harder, but negated that difficulty spike completely by having you retry the battle instantly upon game over and completely ditching item management.
It's essentially the same as the rest of the series but still manages to take away control from the player by having you only control a single party member

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13s battles are fairly simple for a good chunk of the game but I found the overall package enjoyable and engaging enough to get through it. Plenty of the battles on Gran Pulse require strategy and get pretty intense.

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codey posted...

Are you really gonna argue TC didn't call it a bad game?

I wasn't trying to argue anything? I don't know if the TC thinks the game is bad not, but it's clear that they're not enjoying it from what they have said.

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p-m posted...

I like the SaGa series. Saga 1 (aka Final Fantasy Legend) is one of my favourite games, I was far into the Saga 2 remake translation but now my save won't load. Planning on playing all of them eventually, been playing Scarlet Grace on and off on the Switch since release and it's a good challenge + has a lot of freedom.

You're alright TC

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p-m posted...

I've never found them this easy. Think I might replay 13, I actually enjoyed that one and then I can play the sequels.

There it is.

/bait topic

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tiornys posted...

Tbf XIII really does have an excellent combat system

In chapters 11-13, yes. Chapter 1-10 are drinking bird X. Insufficient redemption, imo.
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philsov posted...

Chapter 1-10 are drinking bird X

what does this even mean

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Especially if you don't use Auto-Battle, FF13's combat is hella fun.

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You get a charm that removes all random encounters. You get two relocs that let one character attack 8 times. You get a 1 mp cost relic and a double cast relic.

Theres so much broken stuff in this game. Tools make the beginning of the game easy. Gau had some easy good rages. Eveyone can cast magic.

Theres too much strong shit in the game.

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PostCrisisJ2 posted...

what does this even mean

https://i.imgur.com/m0PMnyJ.jpg

Now imagine your controller is the cup. Specifically, the x button.
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Sounds like you just plain don't like jRPGs.

That's fine. Most people don't. FF was only ever big during the PS1 and PS2 eras because of the FMVs and nothing else.

Many many people consider it the best game, best RPG, best SNES game.

And many, many people voted for Donald Trump to be president.

Humanity has a very prevalent tendency for being horribly, horribly wrong.
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If you find the game too easy, fair enough. It's a Final Fantasy, what do you expect? If you want challenge in an FF game you're gonna have to create your own challenge run, play a hardtype hack, or be playing Final Fantasy Tactics for the first time and save all to a single slot upon entering Riovanes Castle...

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I liked those overpowered things. Was fun to get it all and make the builds.

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Endgame posted...

Sounds like you just plain don't like jRPGs.

That's fine. Most people don't. FF was only ever big during the PS1 and PS2 eras because of the FMVs and nothing else.

And many, many people voted for Donald Trump to be president.

Humanity has a very prevalent tendency for being horribly, horribly wrong.

JRPGs are my favourite genre

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Alucard188 posted...

Well, this is certainly an opinion.

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p-m posted...

JRPGs are my favourite genre

'Mafia movies are my favorite genre but Goodfellas is a bad movie.'


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p-m posted...

JRPGs are my favourite genre

Just ignore him. It's obvious you don't have anything of value to add when you start bitching about Trump in a Final Fantasy topic

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Jrpgs which don't let your whole party gain experience from battles but do forced bits of wholesale party rotations definitely have a special place in hell waiting for them

My emotions in this topic.

https://youtu.be/snB2bheteVg

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Sounds like you would really enjoy Phantasy Star II outside of the high encounter rate. Go for it!

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FFVI is objectively the best game in the series.

I never finished it, but I remember loving it. I got almost to the end I think. I was probably like 98% through the story. I had some trouble for some reason at some part and never beat it. I plan to play through it again sometime though and finish it this time

Zikten posted...

I never finished it, but I remember loving it. I got almost to the end I think. I was probably like 98% through the story. I had some trouble for some reason at some part and never beat it. I plan to play through it again sometime though and finish it this time

Kefka's Tower is probably my favorite dungeon in the whole series. It forces you to use 3 parties who each fight different bosses and flip switches to allow each group to converge at the final boss.
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philsov posted...

In chapters 11-13, yes. Chapter 1-10 are drinking bird X. Insufficient redemption, imo.

Nah. Chapters 1-2, maybe 3, yes. Once you're into chapter 4 there's plenty of scope for strategy and tactics to make a big difference in combat.

philsov posted...

Kefka's Tower is probably my favorite dungeon in the whole series. It forces you to use 3 parties who each fight different bosses and flip switches to allow each group to converge at the final boss.

This I can agree with wholeheartedly.

Lairen posted...

You get a charm that removes all random encounters. You get two relocs that let one character attack 8 times. You get a 1 mp cost relic and a double cast relic.

Theres so much broken stuff in this game. Tools make the beginning of the game easy. Gau had some easy good rages. Eveyone can cast magic.

Theres too much strong s*** in the game.

Tastes are odd. Part of why I like XIII so much is because it doesn't have anything broken like this--if you want to excel at combat you have to get good at strategy and execution. But part of why I like VI (and Tactics) so much is precisely because there are so many broken and breakable things.

masterpug53 posted...

'Mafia movies are my favorite genre but Goodfellas is a bad movie.'

This, LMAO.

philsov posted...

Kefka's Tower is probably my favorite dungeon in the whole series. It forces you to use 3 parties who each fight different bosses and flip switches to allow each group to converge at the final boss.

I never got to that. I was still in the part before it

where you remeet up with every party member. I think I got everyone except Locke and had trouble for some reason getting him

garan posted...

This, LMAO.

It's not really like that at all. Most of the games I play are JRPGs, not liking one well liked game doesn't stop it being my favourite genre.

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philsov posted...

Kefka's Tower is probably my favorite dungeon in the whole series. It forces you to use 3 parties who each fight different bosses and flip switches to allow each group to converge at the final boss.

That's too much of a gimmick for TC.

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SpaceBear_ posted...

That's too much of a gimmick for TC.

The ginmick of leveling all your party up to use them in the final dungeon just adds to grinding so its not really good to begon with.

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I'm a bit surprised Square hasn't done a full FF13 trilogy HD remaster on these systems. I am curious in playing Lightning Returns cause I heard it's really good, and FF13-2 seems to have a better battle system than 13 which wasn't TERRIBLE, just took way too fucking long to get really good or customized.

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Zikten posted...

I never got to that. I was still in the part before it

where you remeet up with every party member. I think I got everyone except Locke and had trouble for some reason getting him

Ah, gotcha. Yeah, the trash in his dungeon is difficult and it calls for having two parties. I cheesed it with Mog and moogle charm in party 2 my first time, tbh, since I only had one party up to snuff. Other stopping block in the pre-internet days was the boss at the top of Cultist's tower due to a few gimmicks in the same phase of the game.
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Lairen posted...

The ginmick of leveling all your party up to use them in the final dungeon just adds to grinding so its not really good to begon with.

Not necessary. You can split your main party across the three parties and use them as "babysitters". The lower level characters won't be all that much lower thanks to level averaging so they'll still be able to contribute, and they'll gain levels fast in the first few areas of the final dungeon.

I kinda agree. I've never understood the love for it and imo 4 is better in nearly every way

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Yeah, 4 is definitely one of my favorites, but the plot is just laughable today. The way they milk party member deaths is hilarious.

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fusespliff posted...

Yeah, 4 is definitely one of my favorites, but the plot is just laughable today. The way they milk party member deaths is hilarious.

Love it. I especially love the remake.

At the end of the day it's just different strokes.

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Smackems posted...

Love it. I especially love the remake.

At the end of the day it's just different strokes.

Like I said, it's one of my favorites. It's just that the emotional weight of the plot feels very dated now, in comparison VII's emotional weight still manages to shine through.
Still haven't played the DS remake, I should get around to doing that. I've played literally every other version

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How dare you look down upon the glory that is Terra.
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fusespliff posted...

Like I said, it's one of my favorites. It's just that the emotional weight of the plot feels very dated now, in comparison VII's emotional weight still manages to shine through.
Still haven't played the DS remake, I should get around to doing that. I've played literally every other version

Yeah the story and characters are kinda one note but it still works imo.

Yes you should play the remake

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What are the plot holes in IV?

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SpaceBear_ posted...

What are the plot holes in IV?

Cid and Yang "dying in massive explosions" only to end up still alive and just sick in bed

"This crystal is REALLY important to our kingdom but we're just going to let you borrow it. For... reasons"

Palom and Porom petrifying themselves, making it seem dramatic because you can't restore them due to them casting it on themselves... only to get restored by the Elder at the end of the game. Why didn't he do that from the beginning?

FF6 only really gets going when Kefka gets going.

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fusespliff posted...

If it being easy is such a hassle...why bother playing an FF at all? Outside of superbosses they've always been easy to anyone who has ever played a jrpg.

I find all the ATB games Ive tried to be hard. Ill take to long to decide what to do or get distracted and wind up dead. <_<


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So I got through the dumb Opera section, fuck knows how I'd have done it without save stares. That is quite possibly the most offensively badly designed and tedious section of gameplay I've seen in a supposedly good game. If you run out of time you have to go through the whole stupid Opera singing section again. How the hell did kids play and get through this on the Snes without losing their minds? Not to mention the bizarre subplot with the octopus out of nowhere. Then there's the translation error of the Impressario saying Maria has been kidnapped instead of Celes

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If you're somehow being serious and not trolling, you sound like you're extremely bad at RPGs. Not only is that opera section really easy, but it's also very short too.

Hope you weren't planning on playing FF9. You wouldn't last 5 hours in that game.

Opera House is one of the best things in FF6, and the influence it has on the story telling moving forward is wonderful.

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TheLastHero posted...

If you're somehow being serious and not trolling, you sound like you're extremely bad at RPGs. Not only is that opera section really easy, but it's also very short too.

Hope you weren't planning on playing FF9. You wouldn't last 5 hours in that game.

Final Fantasy 9 is a great game, I finished it once and got close to the end several other times.

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