Current Events > It's dumb that employers test for weed in legal states.

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Who cares if a guy smokes before bed or on the weekends? As long as he's not showing up to work high, that's literally his right.

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I agree but the world is stupid. We can get drunk after work and it's fine but het high after work and you are seen as a monster

lol Are you serious? They do it as a precaution to help prevent themselves from hiring liabilities that could damage the brand, etc..

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Something something federal laws
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Zikten posted...

I agree but the world is stupid. We can get drunk after work and it's fine but het high after work and you are seen as a monster

It's ass backwards, but these stubborn old boomers can't figure that out.

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Number090684 posted...

lol Are you serious? They do it as a precaution to prevent themselves from hiring liabilities that could damage the brand, etc..

This, hell at one of my jobs (which is a server gig) the boss doesn't care if we smoke it. That said half the people that do end up doing stupid shit or not functioning correctly. Not everyone can handle their weed intake. Its better to be safe than sorry on this one and I say that as someone who does it regularly.

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Pepys Monster posted...

It's ass backwards, but these stubborn old boomers can't figure that out.

It's always gonna be ass backwards because regardless of who is in charge they care more about their comfort and continued personal gain in the short term than change that could be for the good of most in the long term if it doesn't yield some kind of instant gratification / benefit. This is why humanity is doomed.

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Number090684 posted...

lol Are you serious? They do it as a precaution to help prevent themselves from hiring liabilities that could damage the brand, etc..

Imagine being this much of a stiff

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mD_atheist posted...

Imagine being this much of a stiff

Imagine using an alt account just to tell him that.

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AssultTank posted...

It's due to federal guidelines related to workplace safety and the federal legality of it.

If they suspect you're drunk, you get hurt, and then you fail a breathalizer; you lose any hope of workman's comp. Same with any drugs. <_<

So if a man smokes weed on the weekends, off-duty, in a legal state, and then gets hurt at work, while 100% sober, they'll refuse him workman's comp? That's literally an injustice.

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mD_atheist posted...

Imagine being this much of a stiff

It's because I'm tired of weed using criminal scumbags ruining my neighborhood. And honestly I really don't give a shit about people who use and abuse drugs for non medical purposes or what they think. The less of them the better.

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That fact that pretty much any company in any state can piss test you is fucked up.
If Americans had any brains and some guts they would fight these practices.
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Number090684 posted...

It's because I'm tired of weed using criminal scumbags ruining my neighborhood. And honestly I really don't give a shit about people who use and abuse drugs for non medical purposes or what they think. The less of them the better.

What a sad, pathetic man.

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Zikten posted...

I agree but the world is stupid. We can get drunk after work and it's fine but het high after work and you are seen as a monster

This

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The older I get, the more I feel that employers should have no say in what I do when they're not paying me.

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Number090684 posted...

It's because I'm tired of weed using criminal scumbags ruining my neighborhood. And honestly I really don't give a shit about people who use and abuse drugs for non medical purposes or what they think. The less of them the better.

What's your stance on alcohol? From my experience people who abuse alcohol are more destructive than people who smoke weed.

Also, people who smoke weed in states where it's legal recreationally aren't criminals.

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SiO4 posted...

That fact that pretty much any company in any state can piss test you is fucked up.
If Americans had any brains and some guts they would fight these practices.

You can fight it. They just dont have to hire you. If you dont want to be piss tested, then dont. Just find a job that wont piss test you. There are jobs that dont care. Since I dont do drugs, I can care less. They can puss test me all they want...
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You got your legal weed and now you're bitching that companies wont hire you when you smoke it.

Is enough ever enough for you "people"?
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DeadBankerDream posted...

You got your legal weed and now you're bitching that companies wont hire you when you smoke it.

Is enough ever enough for you "people"?

Not until we're paid to smoke it like we deserve

AssultTank posted...

It's due to federal guidelines related to workplace safety and the federal legality of it.

If they suspect you're drunk, you get hurt, and then you fail a breathalizer; you lose any hope of workman's comp. Same with any drugs. <_<

sure, but thats only if you do something stupid. You dont get randomly called in and tested for alcohol. If you show up sober, you can drink all the alcohol you want, so its not the same thing.

It's dumb that employers test for weed

ftfy

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DeadBankerDream posted...

You got your legal weed and now you're bitching that companies wont hire you when you smoke it.

Is enough ever enough for you "people"?

Nah, just a little lame that you gotta stop for a month just for one little test that honestly proves nothing other than someone enjoys something. Go get hammered drunk and pass out the night before work and everyone loves it. Smoke a bowl watch a movie and go to sleep and everyone wants to insult you. Its a wild world.

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gatorsPENSbucs posted...

Go get hammered drunk and pass out the night before work and everyone loves it.

This isnt true in all work places...
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So glad my workplace swabs.

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Some smokers have amazing work ethic. Im not one of them, but they exist in the wild.

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Lost_All_Senses posted...

Some smokers have amazing work ethic. Im not one of them, but they exist in the wild.

They sure as hell do.

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Anyone defending this is an absolute bootlicker.

Even in Canada before weed was legalized companies could only get away with getting you drug tested in the absolute, most extreme scenarios (like for example you're a commercial pilot, and you being impaired can lead to catastrophic loss of life). For your regular office job they would literally never win a human rights challenge unless they had actual proof you were showing up to work drunk/high or doing it at work.

The US' policy on testing is absolutely fucked.
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you know it is.

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Makes sense to me, tbh.

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Is there a way to test if weed was done in the short term? That's really what my issue is. Like, if there had to be a test, it should test if weed was recently done. Not if weed was done a month ago
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As a former user who still has no problem with people using, the problem is the current testing methods. Do you want to take a chance that the crane operator doing work on the building in your city is completely sober from Sunday night's smoke session? This makes sense for anyone operating equipment, but again, if we just had a way to test on the spot like we do with alcohol, this could all go away.

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Pepys Monster posted...

that's literally his right.

*checks the US Constitution*
Yep, no mention of weed or getting high whatsoever, try again.
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Number090684 posted...

It's always gonna be ass backwards because regardless of who is in charge they care more about their comfort and continued personal gain in the short term than change that could be for the good of most in the long term if it doesn't yield some kind of instant gratification / benefit. This is why humanity is doomed.

You're trying to use instant gratification as an argument against recreational drugs.

Remember kids, don't smoke as a teen it impairs brain development.

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yohabroha posted...

As a former user who still has no problem with people using, the problem is the current testing methods. Do you want to take a chance that the crane operator doing work on the building in your city is completely sober from Sunday night's smoke session? This makes sense for anyone operating equipment, but again, if we just had a way to test on the spot like we do with alcohol, this could all go away.

Breathalyzers suck though
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Number090684 posted...

lol Are you serious? They do it as a precaution to help prevent themselves from hiring liabilities that could damage the brand, etc..

Why aren't they concerned about alcoholics?

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CRON posted...

Why aren't they concerned about alcoholics?

Corrupt_Power posted...

Something something federal laws

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LinkPizza posted...

You can fight it. They just dont have to hire you. If you dont want to be piss tested, then dont. Just find a job that wont piss test you. There are jobs that dont care. Since I dont do drugs, I can care less. They can puss test me all they want...

Oh wow, what brilliant insight.
Deny someone employment because they don't want their urine analyzed for no real reason.
Way to stick up for yourself!

At the very least this seems like a violation of Doctor/Patient Confidentiality rights.

LinkPizza posted...

Since I dont do drugs, I can care less. They can puss test me all they want...

Be a little more selfish.
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Bio1590 posted...

Anyone defending this is an absolute bootlicker.

Even in Canada before weed was legalized companies could only get away with getting you drug tested in the absolute, most extreme scenarios (like for example you're a commercial pilot, and you being impaired can lead to catastrophic loss of life). For your regular office job they would literally never win a human rights challenge unless they had actual proof you were showing up to work drunk/high or doing it at work.

The US' policy on testing is absolutely fucked.

This man gets it!
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CRON posted...

Why aren't they concerned about alcoholics?

Some places do. Not all, but some do. The problem is being able to test it long term. With drugs, you can test to see when they last did it. In many jobs, youre fired if the test showed you did drugs at any point after having the job. With alcohol, its much more difficult because once youre sober, its can be harder to prove you drank anything at all... From what I know, at least. If they could test long term, some places might have their own policies for that in place.

Though, that being said, it would still depend on the law and policies of said company. While marijuana is legal in many places now, it was illegal for a while. So, many companies had, and still have, a policy against it. You can fight companies against it, but probably wont will. And since so many places are at will employment, they could technically fire you for anything anyway... Plus, its still illegal federally, I believe... Which brings in other problems...
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SiO4 posted...

Oh wow, what brilliant insight.
Deny someone employment because they don't want their urine analyzed for no real reason.
Way to stick up for yourself!

At the very least this seems like a violation of Doctor/Patient Confidentiality rights.

Yeah. They can do that. At will employers can fire anybody for pretty much any reason. And can deny people for whatever reasons they want, as far as I know. They can even fire you for not liking you. So, if they want to test you puss before hiring you, they can. Sometimes, its just company policy. Sometimes, its because of something that happened before. It doesnt really matter. If you value your privacy to not be tested that much, then find a place that doesnt test you. They dont have to change the rule because you dont like them...

SiO4 posted...

Be a little more selfish.

I could be, but I dont need to be. All I was saying is that I could care less about them testing me because I dont do drugs. So the law doesnt affect me.
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