Board 8 > Politics Containment Topic 279: Bye-Don.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

https://twitter.com/politics_polls/status/1235677617749188608?s=21

wow

Wow I was fucking right about this shit being a wash and I'm annoyed as hell about being right because now we know there isn't a big Warren -> Bernie surge coming

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LordoftheMorons posted...

The only thing that significantly hurt him was losing caucuses/primaries.

And literally every time he says something or is on screen.

He's only as strong as he is because most people haven't seen him talk for an extended period of time in years, thus him winning the places he didn't campaign in as a nebulous generic safe Democrat.

Biden's strength would decline with every week until November as he's forced to put himself out there and people realize "oh...its Joe Biden..."

It's honestly in his best interest and his best chance at winning to go hide in a cabin in the woods for 6 months.

HeroDelTiempo17 posted...

Wow I was fucking right about this shit being a wash and I'm annoyed as hell about being right because now we know there isn't a big Warren -> Bernie surge coming

A Warren endorsement would have/would go a long way!

Shes really letting us down.

To tangent really quick. Remember that New York Times article about Chapo Trap House, where the other said Chapo reminds her of having to pretend to like Jackass?

Bam Margera dunked on her for it (in a respectful, but hilarious way)

https://twitter.com/kenzoshibata/status/1235647649325301760?s=21

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MichelBollinger posted...

And literally every time he says something or is on screen.

He's only as strong as he is because most people haven't seen him talk for an extended period of time in years, thus him winning the places he didn't campaign in as a nebulous generic safe Democrat.

Biden's strength would decline with every week until November as he's forced to put himself out there and people realize "oh...its Joe Biden..."

It's honestly in his best interest and his best chance at winning to go hide in a cabin in the woods for 6 months.

I mean considering he won three states he didn't even visit or spend money in...

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It isn't the worst strategy.

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a lot of her strength was the same base as pete's so i'm not sure what's so surprising there. if anything the large bernie number is the surprise, a good chunk of those bernie ones are probably also fine with biden. the reverse, not so much.

biden/warren, funded by bloomberg.

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MichelBollinger posted...

And literally every time he says something or is on screen.

He's only as strong as he is because most people haven't seen him talk for an extended period of time in years, thus him winning the places he didn't campaign in as a nebulous generic safe Democrat.

Biden's strength would decline with every week until November as he's forced to put himself out there and people realize "oh...its Joe Biden..."

It's honestly in his best interest and his best chance at winning to go hide in a cabin in the woods for 6 months.

No, what Im saying is that hes been doing what youre saying is gonna sink him all along and it hasnt. It probably hurt his ability to grow his support earlier, but it didnt get current supporters to drop him.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

No, what Im saying is that hes been doing what youre saying is gonna sink him all along and it hasnt. It probably hurt his ability to grow his support earlier, but it didnt get current supporters to drop him.

It sunk him for 30 years! The only reason its working now is that the media has convinced people hes the only hope to defeat Trump.

And I 100% mean this, because he is not an inspirational guy, he cant really talk policy. Hes got residual Obama energy, and people are counting on it being enough.

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https://twitter.com/rvawonk/status/1235693132081229832?s=21

Get fucked, Barr

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

My point was more that #IfNotMeUs, lol in the sense that Im 1 guy, and if youre open to the idea of being dissuaded from Bernie by a Bro, there are an innumerable amount of faceless and anonymous trolls who have already been and will continue to be used as a reason to not support him.

It turns out, when a candidate runs on the issues, anyone who cares less about issues than emotions is prime to be against you.

As an example, I point to Clyburn in South Carolina, who literally have an interview saying Biden talks too much policy and needs to focus on feeling.

Biden. Too much policy.

We absolutely cannot overcome that with OUR emotions, we have to speak to our base and hope its enough.

Here's the thing though, to the person you drove away, you weren't just a random "bro". You were someone he at least knew and had a history with in this very topic series. Maybe he still would've voted Biden. But you pushed him towards it with your constant anti-Warren sentiment. WHICH, as I point out, might've been 100% entirely pointless.

She did drop out right after Super Tuesday. She might still endorse him.

And if she does you lost Sanders a vote for nothing. Just...be cool, man. Go after Biden all you want. Leave the corpses be and be nice to people who are choosing between the two.

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On this subject, and as someone who has not been impressed with Bidens campaign for most of the race despite being a supporter of his the whole time, theyve been doing a very good job in building the Joealition and making supporters of candidates who endorsed Biden feel like part of the team:

https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1235218114461212672?s=21

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Michigan is really really big next week. Sanders loses any hope of an electability argument if he loses there. He already lost Minnesota (and Virginia and North Carolina...at least he won NH), so he really needs to pick up two of Michigan/Wisconsin/Pennsylvania.

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Suprak, you really don't need to make too much out of me, I think. I'm not important. I'm probably not even representative.

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You were a potential voter! And a totally reasonable individual for essentially the entire topic series! ALSO you are far from the first person who has listed "Sanders supporters" as one of the reasons you aren't overly enthusiastic to vote for Sanders in the primary. You may not be representative, but you're far from an anomaly.

Like SEP said, what I was particularly annoyed about was Sanders said "can you guys just give them like ten minutes be cool her campaign just died" and then I see "YAS SNAKE VANQUISHED" all over Twitter and reddit immediately after. Again, not Sanders fault at all but...c'mon man. Please.

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https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/2020/03/05/study-showing-bernie-needs-huge-youth-turnout-is-nonsense/

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SgtSphynx posted...

https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/2020/03/05/study-showing-bernie-needs-huge-youth-turnout-is-nonsense/

This is entirely flawed because national numbers don't matter and it seems to cling to them.

LordoftheMorons posted...

On this subject, and as someone who has not been impressed with Bidens campaign for most of the race despite being a supporter of his the whole time, theyve been doing a very good job in building the Joealition and making supporters of candidates who endorsed Biden feel like part of the team:

https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1235218114461212672?s=21

Biden had a few brilliant things before, like attack ads.

Now he's got a metric fuck ton of money to go with it all.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

On this subject, and as someone who has not been impressed with Bidens campaign for most of the race despite being a supporter of his the whole time, theyve been doing a very good job in building the Joealition and making supporters of candidates who endorsed Biden feel like part of the team:

https://twitter.com/joebiden/status/1235218114461212672?s=21

I really like this

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Suprak the Stud posted...

You were a potential voter! And a totally reasonable individual for essentially the entire topic series! ALSO you are far from the first person who has listed "Sanders supporters" as one of the reasons you aren't overly enthusiastic to vote for Sanders in the primary. You may not be representative, but you're far from an anomaly.

Like SEP said, what I was particularly annoyed about was Sanders said "can you guys just give them like ten minutes be cool her campaign just died" and then I see "YAS SNAKE VANQUISHED" all over Twitter and reddit immediately after. Again, not Sanders fault at all but...c'mon man. Please.

Oh you are talking about XP. Well, if Hillary had fewer supporters like him, she might have won.

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Leafeon13N posted...

This is entirely flawed because national numbers don't matter and it seems to cling to them.

And to reiterate, every candidate has been clinging to these numbers and its just a big pile of spin garbage. Every single candidate pretty much beats Trump on a national level and it means nothing because barring the candidate having a stroke or something Trump is going to lose the popular vote by more than he did in 2016.

The only candidates with a chance right now in key battleground states are the two remaining with probably a slight insignificant edge to Biden but at this point in the race I'd mostly ignore the numbers and say whoever wins the most delegates will probably be the best for turnout in the general(aka put up or shut up young/old people).

Kinglicious posted...

Biden had a few brilliant things before, like attack ads.

Now he's got a metric fuck ton of money to go with it all.

I think people forget Biden has always been a pretty good politician. The comparison to Hillary, as far as electability, has always been completely unfounded. A good chunk of it is because he's male, but people actually tend to not hate him.

Also as far as debates go whatever drugs they've had him on work way better than what he had for the text Joe to whatever debacle. (I'd be surprised if any candidate weren't on Adderall or similar for those debates, tbh).

https://twitter.com/FarrellGabriell/status/1235662308753502208

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https://i.redd.it/730851r5zvk41.jpg

Be sure to take a close look at the third panel

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From GOPWorld: Trump is currently on FOX blaming Obama for the Coronavirus and our foreign relationship with North Korea, among other things

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https://twitter.com/betaodork/status/1235674837592535040?s=21

Remember in 2016 when the plan was to call Trump a criminal and then the Dems nominated someone under investigation?

What if we did that, but he also couldnt speak like Trump too?

I am not reveling in this, this shit has me mad close to Doomer levels of no-hope if he gets the nom.

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He didn't fucking forget Obama's name. Some of the gaffes are actual gaffes, but this one is clearly related to his stutter. The way to mitigate the impact of that is to stop amplifying it and implying that he's literally going senile!

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LordoftheMorons posted...

He didn't fucking forget Obama's name. Some of the gaffes are actual gaffes, but this one is clearly related to his stutter. The way to mitigate the impact of that is to stop amplifying it and implying that he's literally going senile!

Would appreciate it if Biden made a public speech on his experience with stuttering.

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yeah, "biden forgot obama's name" seems like the same kind of thing as "lol obama doesn't even know how many states there are."

there's plenty of legit complaints to make about biden, no need for dumb attacks like this one!

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red sox 777 posted...

Would appreciate it if Biden made a public speech on his experience with stuttering.

That would be cool. He has addressed it in at least one town hall:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWn1CkIU_rc

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LordoftheMorons posted...

He didn't fucking forget Obama's name. Some of the gaffes are actual gaffes, but this one is clearly related to his stutter. The way to mitigate the impact of that is to stop amplifying it and implying that he's literally going senile!

Dude he literally just said in December that he doesn't stutter anymore.

His exact quote was like "I'll find myself searching for a second, and that's just a mistake I'm making, I don't think of myself that way" And then he explained that his stutter involved stammering and repetition, which he doesn't do anymore.


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Mr Lasastryke posted...

yeah, "biden forgot obama's name" seems like the same kind of thing as "lol obama doesn't even know how many states there are."

there's plenty of legit complaints to make about biden, no need for dumb attacks like this one!

Do not confuse this for an attack.

This is 150% deadly serious worry that Trump is going to blow his ass away.

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Probably a bad take, but someone with a stutter who's bad at speaking probably shouldn't be president.

Optics matter.

MichelBollinger posted...

Probably a bad take, but someone with a stutter who's bad at speaking probably shouldn't be president.

Optics matter.

All the more reason to vote Biden, so such a person WON'T be president anymore.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Dude he literally just said in December that he doesn't stutter anymore.

His exact quote was like "I'll find myself searching for a second, and that's just a mistake I'm making, I don't think of myself that way" And then he explained that his stutter involved stammering and repetition, which he doesn't do anymore.

Not stuttering doesn't mean that the problem's totally gone away, it means he's worked through how to mostly deal with it. One common strategy stutterers use to get past a word they're stuck on is to substitute a different word, and I think that that's a lot more likely to be what's happening here than forgetting the name of the guy he worked with for eight years and namedrops every other sentence.

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Inviso posted...

All the more reason to vote Biden, so such a person WON'T be president anymore.

Biden would also be that person.

LordoftheMorons posted...

Not stuttering doesn't mean that the problem's totally gone away, it means he's worked through how to mostly deal with it. One common strategy stutterers use to get past a word they're stuck on is to substitute a different word, and I think that that's a lot more likely to be what's happening here than forgetting the name of the guy he worked with for eight years and namedrops every other sentence.

Did you watch the interview about Bernie Joe did that I posted last topic?

2020 Joe is not that same man, dude. It's night and day.

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LordoftheMorons posted...

Not stuttering doesn't mean that the problem's totally gone away, it means he's worked through how to mostly deal with it. One common strategy stutterers use to get past a word they're stuck on is to substitute a different word, and I think that that's a lot more likely to be what's happening here than forgetting the name of the guy he worked with for eight years and namedrops every other sentence.

Doesn't mean much if he's going to consistently lie about and swear he doesn't stutter.

He would rather say he forgot the name.

ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Dude he literally just said in December that he doesn't stutter anymore.

His exact quote was like "I'll find myself searching for a second, and that's just a mistake I'm making, I don't think of myself that way" And then he explained that his stutter involved stammering and repetition, which he doesn't do anymore.

He says that because he doesn't want people to dismiss him as unfit to be president because he stutters. That's exactly the attitude he got from MichelBollinger in this topic!

Yes, he avoids stammering and repetition by certain strategies he's learned and developed over the decades. Such as using different words. I'm in a similar boat where most people who've only known me in the last say, 5 years don't know about my stutter unless I've told them. It's completely normal to try to hide something embarrassing like that.

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red sox 777 posted...

He says that because he doesn't want people to dismiss him as unfit to be president because he stutters. That's exactly the attitude he got from MichelBollinger in this topic!

Oh don't worry I've got plenty of other reasons not to vote for Joe.

Tony, you said Tulsi was awesome and it turns our she sucks.

You thought Bernie was gonna be the nominee but now it looks like Biden.

Now you insist on Biden getting blown away even though polling actually gives Biden a chance in states like Florida, Ohio, and Arizona that Bernie wasn't polling as well.

Are you the WhiskeyNick of politics?

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And yeah, while I'd like if he came out and explained stuttering to the public, which would help people who stutter in this country and the world a lot, he doesn't have to. He has the right not to define himself through a condition and people should respect that too (and not hold gaffes against him when they do stem from that condition).


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TheRock1525 posted...

Tony, you said Tulsi was awesome and it turns our she sucks.

You thought Bernie was gonna be the nominee but now it looks like Biden.

Now you insist on Biden getting blown away even though polling actually gives Biden a chance in states like Florida, Ohio, and Arizona that Bernie wasn't polling as well.

Are you the WhiskeyNick of politics?

As someone who called the 2016 election nearly perfectly, I'll confirm this call. Biden is getting blown away in the general election if he's there.

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i'm not really invested in this election since i'm not an american, but it looks pretty clear to me that Biden is not in full control of his faculties (just like Trump)

even if i'm wrong, that perception is probably only going to build since he'll probably keep doing that "stutter" at times. the impression that a presidential candidate is going senile is just as damaging as actually going senile.

if he ends up as the nominee, welcome another 4 years of trump

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TheRock1525 posted...

Tony, you said Tulsi was awesome and it turns our she sucks.

Tulsi had a great interview and she was objectively awesome on it that singlehandedly made me like her. Even mc agreed!

Then she sucked.

You thought Bernie was gonna be the nominee but now it looks like Biden.

Literally wrong. Except for like ONE WEEK when the media lost its shit about Bernie and I slipped up and let it infect me with hope, I've said Bernie never had a chance.

Now you insist on Biden getting blown away even though polling actually gives Biden a chance in states like Florida, Ohio, and Arizona that Bernie wasn't polling as well.

Surely you've figured out by now that polls are meaningless until about 3 days out?

Also I said Hillary was going to lose in 2016, that's kind of THE prediction that has mattered, right?

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red sox 777 posted...

As someone who called the 2016 election nearly perfectly, I'll confirm this call. Biden is getting blown away in the general election if he's there.

hillary won the popular vote against trump and biden is way better than her. why would trump blow him away?

not saying you're wrong but an explanation would be nice.

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ChaosTonyV4 posted...

Tulsi had a great interview and she was objectively awesome on it that singlehandedly made me like her. Even mc agreed!

Then she sucked.

moral of the story: don't judge politicians by one interview


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Tulsi had been ok for some time and then she wasn't. I can't defend her now but defending her a year ago was really easy.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

hillary won the popular vote against trump and biden is way better than her. why would trump blow him away?

not saying you're wrong but an explanation would be nice.

My explanation is that Biden doesn't have the diehards that Hillary did.

Additionally, a Biden nomination is like the one person who gives an incumbent President Trump his "me versus the Swamp" narrative again.

Then there are Biden's other major weaknesses, like bragging about wanting to cut Social Security, Medicare, and Veteran's benefits FOUR TIMES. The GOP could put that speech on repeat in Florida and win 75% of the vote, and that's without Trump's inherent bump he gets for all the time he spends here.

Biden also has the Hunter/Burisma problem, which for all intents and purposes gives the APPEARANCE of impropriety, which undercuts the same attack against Trump.

Lastly, Biden's extremely obvious problem with speaking, which undercuts the ability to use Trump's gaffes against him.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

hillary won the popular vote against trump and biden is way better than her. why would trump blow him away?

not saying you're wrong but an explanation would be nice.

Clarification: I am talking about the electoral college only. 2016 was not really close in the EC (over 300 EVs for the winner can't be called close). I think Trump gets more than the 306 he got against Hillary against Biden, probably substantially more.

As for why Trump will do better against Biden than Hillary, that's because 1) Trump is now an incumbent, 2) the economy is really strong, and 3) many of Trump's voters were first-time Republican voters in 2016 who will find it much easier to pull the lever for the GOP a second time. The first time is the hardest.

The gap between Biden and Hillary is probably small, and not necessarily in Biden's favor. I know the Texas x-stats comparison through Bernie says he's way stronger, but the California x-stats say just about the opposite, and neither of those states is relevant in any case.

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You know whos actually for cutting Medicare and social security?

https://twitter.com/podsaveamerica/status/1235722574367084544?s=21

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Please. Trump went on a Republican debate stage full of people who want to cut Medicare and Social Security and said he refused to cut them. He went as far as to insist that Planned Parenthood does great things (just not with regard to abortions). Biden cozies up to the GOP at every opportunity because he believes the only way he can achieve anything is to surrender to them.

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