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Leafeon13N 03/06/20 5:43:45 PM #403:	StealThisSheen posted... "It's not going to happen in 4 years so why even bother trying to start" What is the start? The Bernie camp is m4a or nothing. <cite>Leafeon13N posted [p:935326886] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>StealThisSheen posted... </cite> <quote>"It's not going to happen in 4 years so why even bother trying to start"</quote> What is the start? The Bernie camp is m4a or nothing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
metroid composite 03/06/20 5:44:12 PM #404:	LordoftheMorons posted... Also stopping the coronavirus when its only infected a small portion of the population is way cheaper than treating everybody. Or just let people die while billionaires sip wine in their ivory towers. Now you don't need to spend money on preventative medicine OR spend money on treatment! Technically even cheaper (if we ignore the fact that Medicare and Medicaid exist so there's no getting out of the government paying for treatment of some of the population). --- Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision <cite>metroid composite posted [p:935326898] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>Also stopping the coronavirus when its only infected a small portion of the population is way cheaper than treating everybody.</quote>Or just let people die while billionaires sip wine in their ivory towers. Now you don't need to spend money on preventative medicine OR spend money on treatment! Technically even cheaper (if we ignore the fact that Medicare and Medicaid exist so there's no getting out of the government paying for treatment of some of the population). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 03/06/20 5:47:48 PM #405:	https://twitter.com/austin_walker/status/1236057844866322435?s=21 Lets post a picture of Bernie with his right hand raised with a headline about a swastika Dude theyre not even trying to hide this shit anymore. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:935327045] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/austin_walker/status/1236057844866322435?s=21 Lets post a picture of Bernie with his right hand raised with a headline about a swastika Dude theyre not even trying to hide this shit anymore. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 03/06/20 5:49:36 PM #406:	Leafeon13N posted... Fighting for m4a is fine, but if you just fuck people in the short term they aren't going to listen to you in the long term. No one is being fucked --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:935327128] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>Leafeon13N posted... </cite> <quote>Fighting for m4a is fine, but if you just fuck people in the short term they aren't going to listen to you in the long term.</quote>No one is being fucked </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 03/06/20 5:49:40 PM #407:	Looks like Ive been worrying for no reason!: https://twitter.com/eamonjavers/status/1236055628956815360?s=21 --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:935327129] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>Looks like Ive been worrying for no reason!: https://twitter.com/eamonjavers/status/1236055628956815360?s=21 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
metroid composite 03/06/20 5:52:42 PM #408:	Leafeon13N posted... The Bernie camp is m4a or nothing. That's not really true. Like, AOC actually said the quiet part out loud, which is that congressional bills always end up making concessions. This is why you start negotiating from a position of strength before making concessions, she outright said that it's possible m4a during congressional negotiations might get negotiated down to a public option. If you recall, this is more or less what happened with Obamacare--at first they had a public option, and then the public option and other good provisions in the bill got negotiated away to the point that Obamacare was basically Romneycare. The idea is to not concede a bunch of ground before negotiations start. And this is something I've heard a lot from Bernie supporters. They would like a full single payer system, they understand the bill will probably get weaker while negotating for votes. --- Cats land on their feet. Toast lands peanut butter side down. A cat with toast strapped to its back will hover above the ground in a state of quantum indecision <cite>metroid composite posted [p:935327279] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>Leafeon13N posted... </cite> <quote>The Bernie camp is m4a or nothing.</quote>That's not really true. Like, AOC actually said the quiet part out loud, which is that congressional bills always end up making concessions. This is why you start negotiating from a position of strength before making concessions, she outright said that it's possible m4a during congressional negotiations might get negotiated down to a public option. If you recall, this is more or less what happened with Obamacare--at first they had a public option, and then the public option and other good provisions in the bill got negotiated away to the point that Obamacare was basically Romneycare. The idea is to not concede a bunch of ground before negotiations start. And this is something I've heard a lot from Bernie supporters. They would like a full single payer system, they understand the bill will probably get weaker while negotating for votes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FFDragon 03/06/20 5:54:11 PM #409:	StealThisSheen posted... "It's not going to happen in 4 years so why even bother trying to start" This is why the US doesn't have the metric system tbqh. --- If you wake up at a different time, in a different place, could you wake up as a different person? #theresafreakingghostafterus <cite>FFDragon posted [p:935327334] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>StealThisSheen posted... </cite> <quote>"It's not going to happen in 4 years so why even bother trying to start"</quote> This is why the US doesn't have the metric system tbqh. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leafeon13N 03/06/20 5:54:35 PM #410:	You cant negotiate down from something that will be ripped up in its entirety. <cite>Leafeon13N posted [p:935327354] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>You cant negotiate down from something that will be ripped up in its entirety. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 03/06/20 5:55:11 PM #411:	Leafeon13N posted... You cant negotiate down from something that will be ripped up in its entirety. Thanks red, so we shouldn't even try. Good to know let's all just die --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:935327378] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>Leafeon13N posted... </cite> <quote>You cant negotiate down from something that will be ripped up in its entirety.</quote> Thanks red, so we shouldn't even try. Good to know let's all just die </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
xp1337 03/06/20 5:56:13 PM #412:	FFDragon posted... This is why the US doesn't have the metric system tbqh. real talk: dems should include immediate adoption of the metric system as part of a package with m4a. even republicans would happily accept m4a if the concession was that the metric system be dropped from the bill --- xp1337: Don't you wish there was a spell-checker that told you when you a word out? <cite>xp1337 posted [p:935327432] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>FFDragon posted... </cite> <quote>This is why the US doesn't have the metric system tbqh.</quote>real talk: dems should include immediate adoption of the metric system as part of a package with m4a. even republicans would happily accept m4a if the concession was that the metric system be dropped from the bill </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/06/20 5:56:44 PM #413:	DoomTheGyarados posted... Thanks red, so we shouldn't even try. Good to know let's all just die I mean that's LTMs stance right now. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:935327460] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote>Thanks red, so we shouldn't even try. Good to know let's all just die</quote>I mean that's LTMs stance right now. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leafeon13N 03/06/20 6:00:15 PM #414:	DoomTheGyarados posted... Thanks red, so we shouldn't even try. Good to know let's all just die Obamacare made it a lot easier to not die. And again electability, Bernie is running on a platform of taking away Healthcare from some portion of the population. Its not good... Optics. He has no short term plan, all people see when they look at him is tear it all down. That isn't comforting when most people are so much better off than they were 12 years ago. <cite>Leafeon13N posted [p:935327609] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote> Thanks red, so we shouldn't even try. Good to know let's all just die</quote>Obamacare made it a lot easier to not die. And again electability, Bernie is running on a platform of taking away Healthcare from some portion of the population. Its not good... Optics. He has no short term plan, all people see when they look at him is tear it all down. That isn't comforting when most people are so much better off than they were 12 years ago. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 03/06/20 6:06:12 PM #415:	I don't consider voting for Biden to be trying, I consider it giving up! I've already set aside plans to drive several people to earlyvote on the 14th for Bernie. <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:935327836] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>I don't consider voting for Biden to be trying, I consider it giving up! I've already set aside plans to drive several people to earlyvote on the 14th for Bernie. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 03/06/20 6:07:06 PM #416:	Apparently my department is cancelling this years open house for newly admitted grad students. Theres gonna be a lot more of this coming up. --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:935327878] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>Apparently my department is cancelling this years open house for newly admitted grad students. Theres gonna be a lot more of this coming up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoomTheGyarados 03/06/20 6:09:24 PM #417:	Leafeon13N posted... Obamacare made it a lot easier to not die. And again electability, Bernie is running on a platform of taking away Healthcare from some portion of the population. Its not good... Optics. He has no short term plan, all people see when they look at him is tear it all down. That isn't comforting when most people are so much better off than they were 12 years ago. None of this is true. You are just lying. --- Sir Chris Doom The Kanto Saga - Animated Series - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hH4wNFCrLM <cite>DoomTheGyarados posted [p:935327981] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>Leafeon13N posted... </cite> <quote>Obamacare made it a lot easier to not die. And again electability, Bernie is running on a platform of taking away Healthcare from some portion of the population. Its not good... Optics. He has no short term plan, all people see when they look at him is tear it all down. That isn't comforting when most people are so much better off than they were 12 years ago.</quote> None of this is true. You are just lying. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leafeon13N 03/06/20 6:12:41 PM #418:	UshiromiyaEva posted... I don't consider voting for Biden to be trying, I consider it giving up! I've already set aside plans to drive several people to earlyvote on the 14th for Bernie. I don't think you have even a little bit of a grasp on how similar a Biden presidency will be to a Sanders presidency or how a movement actually grows and works. If your movement dies with one person it wasn't much of a movement in the first place. In short, I'd like to insult your current intelligence in the nicest way possible and encourage you to reevaluate your way of thinking. <cite>Leafeon13N posted [p:935328113] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>UshiromiyaEva posted... </cite> <quote>I don't consider voting for Biden to be trying, I consider it giving up! I've already set aside plans to drive several people to earlyvote on the 14th for Bernie.</quote>I don't think you have even a little bit of a grasp on how similar a Biden presidency will be to a Sanders presidency or how a movement actually grows and works. If your movement dies with one person it wasn't much of a movement in the first place. In short, I'd like to insult your current intelligence in the nicest way possible and encourage you to reevaluate your way of thinking. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leafeon13N 03/06/20 6:13:31 PM #419:	DoomTheGyarados posted... None of this is true. You are just lying. None of that is untrue. <cite>Leafeon13N posted [p:935328148] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>DoomTheGyarados posted... </cite> <quote> None of this is true. You are just lying.</quote>None of that is untrue. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 03/06/20 6:15:45 PM #420:	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohDB5gbtaEQ this is the argument between red and chris right now --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:935328234] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohDB5gbtaEQ this is the argument between red and chris right now </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 03/06/20 6:18:02 PM #421:	Leafeon13N posted... None of that is untrue. Bernie is explicitly, specifically, NOT running on taking away healthcare. Its not like hed be like ok we just outlawed private insurance! Time to get to work on Medicare for All now! No, itd be a process with timelines and itd be like Starting this date, everyone can sign up for Medicare for all. By this date, all healthcare providers need to accept Medicare for all. Ok, now private health insurance isnt necessary. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:935328345] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>Leafeon13N posted... </cite> <quote>None of that is untrue.</quote> Bernie is explicitly, specifically, NOT running on taking away healthcare. Its not like hed be like ok we just outlawed private insurance! Time to get to work on Medicare for All now! No, itd be a process with timelines and itd be like Starting this date, everyone can sign up for Medicare for all. By this date, all healthcare providers need to accept Medicare for all. Ok, now private health insurance isnt necessary. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 03/06/20 6:19:56 PM #422:	Leafeon13N posted... If your movement dies with one person it wasn't much of a movement in the first place. Why would our movement die with one person? You act like Bernie doesnt have staff or endorsements?? You seem really hung up on this when the campaign slogan is LITERALLY Not me, Us. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:935328424] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>Leafeon13N posted... </cite> <quote>If your movement dies with one person it wasn't much of a movement in the first place. </quote> Why would our movement die with one person? You act like Bernie doesnt have staff or endorsements?? You seem really hung up on this when the campaign slogan is LITERALLY Not me, Us. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 03/06/20 6:20:47 PM #423:	Yeah I'd really like to see the basis for "Bernie's just going to take healthcare away from people without doing anything else first" please --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:935328466] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>Yeah I'd really like to see the basis for "Bernie's just going to take healthcare away from people without doing anything else first" please </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leafeon13N 03/06/20 6:21:09 PM #424:	Some people have health care better than Medicare, his plan would take that away. Also that is too simplified. What people actually see is what they currently know as health care getting blown up. And again, the discussion hits a snag as none of this will ever happen in his presidency and he never talks about what he can do. He has no plan. <cite>Leafeon13N posted [p:935328477] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>Some people have health care better than Medicare, his plan would take that away. Also that is too simplified. What people actually see is what they currently know as health care getting blown up. And again, the discussion hits a snag as none of this will ever happen in his presidency and he never talks about what he can do. He has no plan. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 03/06/20 6:21:51 PM #425:	Leafeon13N posted... I don't think you have even a little bit of a grasp on how similar a Biden presidency will be to a Sanders presidency or how a movement actually grows and works. If your movement dies with one person it wasn't much of a movement in the first place. In short, I'd like to insult your current intelligence in the nicest way possible and encourage you to reevaluate your way of thinking. Feel free! I already wasn't really taking anything you said into consideration. <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:935328506] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>Leafeon13N posted... </cite> <quote>I don't think you have even a little bit of a grasp on how similar a Biden presidency will be to a Sanders presidency or how a movement actually grows and works. If your movement dies with one person it wasn't much of a movement in the first place. In short, I'd like to insult your current intelligence in the nicest way possible and encourage you to reevaluate your way of thinking.</quote> Feel free! I already wasn't really taking anything you said into consideration. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 03/06/20 6:23:24 PM #426:	Leafeon13N posted... Some people have health care better than Medicare, his plan would take that away. He has no plan. So, wait You apparently know enough about his plan to say "His plan would take that health care away" AND to say "He has no plan." Isn't that, you know, contradictory? --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:935328569] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>Leafeon13N posted... </cite> <quote>Some people have health care better than Medicare, his plan would take that away. He has no plan.</quote> So, wait You apparently know enough about his plan to say "His plan would take that health care away" AND to say "He has no plan." Isn't that, you know, contradictory? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leafeon13N 03/06/20 6:23:49 PM #427:	UshiromiyaEva posted... Feel free! I already wasn't really taking anything you said into consideration Funny enough I don't think you realize I literally probably support everything you support but recognize that your way of doing things or you know, deciding not to do things is ultimately going to do more harm than good. <cite>Leafeon13N posted [p:935328585] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>UshiromiyaEva posted... </cite> <quote>Feel free! I already wasn't really taking anything you said into consideration</quote>Funny enough I don't think you realize I literally probably support everything you support but recognize that your way of doing things or you know, deciding not to do things is ultimately going to do more harm than good. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leafeon13N 03/06/20 6:24:42 PM #428:	StealThisSheen posted... Isn't that, you know, contradictory? The first is a hypothetical the second is a realistic assessment. <cite>Leafeon13N posted [p:935328625] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>StealThisSheen posted... </cite> <quote>Isn't that, you know, contradictory?</quote>The first is a hypothetical the second is a realistic assessment. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MoogleKupo141 03/06/20 6:25:22 PM #429:	Also that is too simplified. What people actually see is what they currently know as health care getting blown up. which is great beside what we currently know as health care is bad --- For your BK_Sheikah00. At least Kupo has class and doesn't MESSAGE the people -Dr Pizza <cite>MoogleKupo141 posted [p:935328659] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote><quote>Also that is too simplified. What people actually see is what they currently know as health care getting blown up. </quote> which is great beside what we currently know as health care is bad</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 03/06/20 6:25:23 PM #430:	Leafeon13N posted... The first is a hypothetical the second is a realistic assessment. So then you outright admit that you're just making shit up to argue? Okay then. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:935328661] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>Leafeon13N posted... </cite> <quote>The first is a hypothetical the second is a realistic assessment.</quote> So then you outright admit that you're just making shit up to argue? Okay then. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leafeon13N 03/06/20 6:27:05 PM #431:	MoogleKupo141 posted... which is great beside what we currently know as health care is bad Again, optics. It might be bad but obamacare(more specifically the aca lol) has been really popular. People just got something they like and drastic change is going to scare off voters. <cite>Leafeon13N posted [p:935328732] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>MoogleKupo141 posted... </cite> <quote>which is great beside what we currently know as health care is bad</quote>Again, optics. It might be bad but obamacare(more specifically the aca lol) has been really popular. People just got something they like and drastic change is going to scare off voters. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 03/06/20 6:27:44 PM #432:	ChaosTonyV4 posted... https://twitter.com/austin_walker/status/1236057844866322435?s=21 Lets post a picture of Bernie with his right hand raised with a headline about a swastika Dude theyre not even trying to hide this shit anymore. This is an overreaction at best. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:935328759] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>ChaosTonyV4 posted... </cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/austin_walker/status/1236057844866322435?s=21 Lets post a picture of Bernie with his right hand raised with a headline about a swastika Dude theyre not even trying to hide this shit anymore.</quote> This is an overreaction at best. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leafeon13N 03/06/20 6:28:06 PM #433:	StealThisSheen posted... So then you outright admit that you're just making shit up to argue? No, there is a difference between a hypothetical and making stuff up. <cite>Leafeon13N posted [p:935328772] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>StealThisSheen posted... </cite> <quote> So then you outright admit that you're just making shit up to argue?</quote>No, there is a difference between a hypothetical and making stuff up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 03/06/20 6:29:34 PM #434:	Leafeon13N posted... No, there is a difference between a hypothetical and making stuff up. But your hypothetical is, by your own admission, based on nothing, and is purposely a hypothetical based on the absolute worst case scenario So, in effect, you're making stuff up to argue. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:935328856] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>Leafeon13N posted... </cite> <quote>No, there is a difference between a hypothetical and making stuff up.</quote> But your hypothetical is, by your own admission, based on nothing, and is purposely a hypothetical based on the absolute worst case scenario So, in effect, you're making stuff up to argue. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 03/06/20 6:30:02 PM #435:	Leafeon13N posted... Some people have health care better than Medicare, his plan would take that away. Also that is too simplified. What people actually see is what they currently know as health care getting blown up. And again, the discussion hits a snag as none of this will ever happen in his presidency and he never talks about what he can do. He has no plan. I also don't think it is likely to pass since Republicans are 99.999% to hold the senate, but that doesn't mean he has no plan. It would be just as fair to say no one has a plan then, because the senate is going to obstruct Biden or Sanders just the same. Their plan is to pitch this to people and put pressure on sitting republicans for the midterms. It might not work (probably won't!) but saying "oh he has no plan" is completely unfair when he released a very detailed plan not that long ago! --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:935328878] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>Leafeon13N posted... </cite> <quote>Some people have health care better than Medicare, his plan would take that away. Also that is too simplified. What people actually see is what they currently know as health care getting blown up. And again, the discussion hits a snag as none of this will ever happen in his presidency and he never talks about what he can do. He has no plan.</quote> I also don't think it is likely to pass since Republicans are 99.999% to hold the senate, but that doesn't mean he has no plan. It would be just as fair to say no one has a plan then, because the senate is going to obstruct Biden or Sanders just the same. Their plan is to pitch this to people and put pressure on sitting republicans for the midterms. It might not work (probably won't!) but saying "oh he has no plan" is completely unfair when he released a very detailed plan not that long ago! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 03/06/20 6:30:03 PM #436:	Going back just a bit, apparently the Hilary Rosen tweet was her expressing disgust at people in the comments calling Nina an "angry black woman", and she's just bad at using air quotes. Awful as that segment was, wouldn't feel right to let that sit considering I posted it here. <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:935328879] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>Going back just a bit, apparently the Hilary Rosen tweet was her expressing disgust at people in the comments calling Nina an "angry black woman", and she's just bad at using air quotes. Awful as that segment was, wouldn't feel right to let that sit considering I posted it here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 03/06/20 6:30:53 PM #437:	Leafeon13N posted... Again, optics. It might be bad but obamacare(more specifically the aca lol) has been really popular. uh... really? admittedly, i'm not american so i don't have all the context, but i have been following the politics topics since day 1 and all i've heard people - on the left AND right - say about obamacare has been negative. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:935328919] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>Leafeon13N posted... </cite> <quote>Again, optics. It might be bad but obamacare(more specifically the aca lol) has been really popular. </quote> uh... really? admittedly, i'm not american so i don't have all the context, but i have been following the politics topics since day 1 and all i've heard people - on the left AND right - say about obamacare has been negative. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leafeon13N 03/06/20 6:31:31 PM #438:	StealThisSheen posted... But your hypothetical is, by your own admission, based on nothing, and is purposely a hypothetical based on the absolute worst case scenario No, the hypothetical is a world where a Bernie presidency immediately enacts all his plans. The realistic is the world where his health care plan won't sniff passing congress. Neither is making stuff up. <cite>Leafeon13N posted [p:935328950] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>StealThisSheen posted... </cite> <quote>But your hypothetical is, by your own admission, based on nothing, and is purposely a hypothetical based on the absolute worst case scenario</quote>No, the hypothetical is a world where a Bernie presidency immediately enacts all his plans. The realistic is the world where his health care plan won't sniff passing congress. Neither is making stuff up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 03/06/20 6:32:46 PM #439:	Mr Lasastryke posted... uh... really? admittedly, i'm not american so i don't have all the context, but i have been following the politics topics since day 1 and all i've heard people - on the left AND right - say about obamacare has been negative. Part of the reason democrats swept to victory in 2018 was them going "WE WILL PROTECT THE HEALTHCARE (i.e. Obamacare) YOU HAVE". Obamacare became very popular when republicans were planning to get rid of it, and it is absolutely the major reason democrats won 2018 as handily as they did. The entire focus was on healthcare, and we swept up a bunch of reds seats because of it. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to improve it, and Sanders plans are popular within the democratic base. But Obamacare is too, and we cannot deny that. --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:935328994] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>Mr Lasastryke posted... </cite> <quote>uh... really? admittedly, i'm not american so i don't have all the context, but i have been following the politics topics since day 1 and all i've heard people - on the left AND right - say about obamacare has been negative.</quote> Part of the reason democrats swept to victory in 2018 was them going "WE WILL PROTECT THE HEALTHCARE (i.e. Obamacare) YOU HAVE". Obamacare became very popular when republicans were planning to get rid of it, and it is absolutely the major reason democrats won 2018 as handily as they did. The entire focus was on healthcare, and we swept up a bunch of reds seats because of it. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to improve it, and Sanders plans are popular within the democratic base. But Obamacare is too, and we cannot deny that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 03/06/20 6:34:02 PM #440:	Leafeon13N posted... No, the hypothetical is a world where a Bernie presidency immediately enacts all his plans. The realistic is the world where his health care plan won't sniff passing congress. Neither is making stuff up. Bullshit. You literally have no idea what Bernie's actual plan is based on the fact that you keep using what equates to Fox News level buzz words and summations of what you want to present it as in order to best shit on it. You're making shit up. Own up to it. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:935329049] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>Leafeon13N posted... </cite> <quote>No, the hypothetical is a world where a Bernie presidency immediately enacts all his plans. The realistic is the world where his health care plan won't sniff passing congress. Neither is making stuff up.</quote> Bullshit. You literally have no idea what Bernie's actual plan is based on the fact that you keep using what equates to Fox News level buzz words and summations of what you want to present it as in order to best shit on it. You're making shit up. Own up to it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 03/06/20 6:34:03 PM #441:	MoogleKupo141 posted... which is great beside what we currently know as health care is bad The point is that it could be significantly worse (in fact, it was significantly worse before the ACA!) and a lot of people don't trust Bernie when he says that his plan would be better. --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:935329050] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>MoogleKupo141 posted... </cite> <quote>which is great beside what we currently know as health care is bad</quote>The point is that it could be significantly worse (in fact, it was significantly worse before the ACA!) and a lot of people don't trust Bernie when he says that his plan would be better. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 03/06/20 6:34:05 PM #442:	UshiromiyaEva posted... I don't consider voting for Biden to be trying, I consider it giving up! If you let Trump get a 7-2 majority on the court then the progressive movement is done until we're in our 50's-60's. Its fine to oppose Biden in the primary. Most of us (including me) do. But if you actually care about progressive policies you cannot let Trump get reelected. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:935329051] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>UshiromiyaEva posted... </cite> <quote>I don't consider voting for Biden to be trying, I consider it giving up!</quote>If you let Trump get a 7-2 majority on the court then the progressive movement is done until we're in our 50's-60's. Its fine to oppose Biden in the primary. Most of us (including me) do. But if you actually care about progressive policies you cannot let Trump get reelected. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mr Lasastryke 03/06/20 6:35:01 PM #443:	Suprak the Stud posted... Part of the reason democrats swept to victory in 2018 was them going "WE WILL PROTECT THE HEALTHCARE (i.e. Obamacare) YOU HAVE". Obamacare became very popular when republicans were planning to get rid of it, and it is absolutely the major reason democrats won 2018 as handily as they did. The entire focus was on healthcare, and we swept up a bunch of reds seats because of it. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to improve it, and Sanders plans are popular within the democratic base. But Obamacare is too, and we cannot deny that. fair enough! and i guess LotM likes obamacare so my statement wasn't entirely accurate. --- Geothermal terpsichorean ejectamenta <cite>Mr Lasastryke posted [p:935329089] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted... </cite> <quote>Part of the reason democrats swept to victory in 2018 was them going "WE WILL PROTECT THE HEALTHCARE (i.e. Obamacare) YOU HAVE". Obamacare became very popular when republicans were planning to get rid of it, and it is absolutely the major reason democrats won 2018 as handily as they did. The entire focus was on healthcare, and we swept up a bunch of reds seats because of it. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to improve it, and Sanders plans are popular within the democratic base. But Obamacare is too, and we cannot deny that.</quote> fair enough! and i guess LotM likes obamacare so my statement wasn't entirely accurate. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leafeon13N 03/06/20 6:35:38 PM #444:	StealThisSheen posted... You're making shit up. Own up to it. I didn't make anything up. <cite>Leafeon13N posted [p:935329118] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>StealThisSheen posted... </cite> <quote>You're making shit up. Own up to it.</quote>I didn't make anything up. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UshiromiyaEva 03/06/20 6:38:18 PM #445:	It's definitely possible that something in the next 6 months will force me to regrettably vote for Biden in November, but as far as this topic goes I have just been pushed further away. Maybe he just needs to do some cocaine or something so he can at least pretend to have some energy. Also, even if he wins me over, every time he says to vote for someone else we go back to zero and he will have to reconvince me again. <cite>UshiromiyaEva posted [p:935329248] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>It's definitely possible that something in the next 6 months will force me to regrettably vote for Biden in November, but as far as this topic goes I have just been pushed further away. Maybe he just needs to do some cocaine or something so he can at least pretend to have some energy. Also, even if he wins me over, every time he says to vote for someone else we go back to zero and he will have to reconvince me again. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 03/06/20 6:38:24 PM #446:	Mr Lasastryke posted... admittedly, i'm not american so i don't have all the context, but i have been following the politics topics since day 1 and all i've heard people - on the left AND right - say about obamacare has been negative. The ACA was a huge improvement over what existed before. It expanded health insurance to over 20 million people. It stopped insurers from being able to deny people coverage for having preexisting conditions. It made it so that health insurance actually had to cover a bunch of specific stuff, and couldn't be a useless policy to make you feel good but then do nothing when you got sick (Trump has somewhat undone this in some states by letting insurers sell junk plans for short durations). It got rid of lifetime maximums. The idea that the ACA was worthless is completely untrue. --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:935329255] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>Mr Lasastryke posted... </cite> <quote>admittedly, i'm not american so i don't have all the context, but i have been following the politics topics since day 1 and all i've heard people - on the left AND right - say about obamacare has been negative.</quote>The ACA was a huge improvement over what existed before. It expanded health insurance to over 20 million people. It stopped insurers from being able to deny people coverage for having preexisting conditions. It made it so that health insurance actually had to cover a bunch of specific stuff, and couldn't be a useless policy to make you feel good but then do nothing when you got sick (Trump has somewhat undone this in some states by letting insurers sell junk plans for short durations). It got rid of lifetime maximums. The idea that the ACA was worthless is completely untrue. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StealThisSheen 03/06/20 6:39:34 PM #447:	UshiromiyaEva posted... It's definitely possible that something in the next 6 months will force me to regrettably vote for Biden in November, but as far as this topic goes I have just been pushed further away. Maybe he just needs to do some cocaine or something so he can at least pretend to have some energy. Also, even if he wins me over, every time he says to vote for someone else we go back to zero and he will have to reconvince me again. We get it. You're okay with fucking everybody over with Trump. Cool. Not a great look to keep saying it over and over again, though. --- Seplito Nash, Smelling Like the Vault since 1996 Step FOUR! Get Paid! <cite>StealThisSheen posted [p:935329296] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>UshiromiyaEva posted... </cite> <quote>It's definitely possible that something in the next 6 months will force me to regrettably vote for Biden in November, but as far as this topic goes I have just been pushed further away. Maybe he just needs to do some cocaine or something so he can at least pretend to have some energy. Also, even if he wins me over, every time he says to vote for someone else we go back to zero and he will have to reconvince me again.</quote> We get it. You're okay with fucking everybody over with Trump. Cool. Not a great look to keep saying it over and over again, though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Suprak the Stud 03/06/20 6:39:49 PM #448:	ACA was definitely good, but Obama himself wanted something better! He was forced to compromise for the ACA because conservative democrats absolutely refused to budge on the plan he actually wanted and republicans were unified against him. Just for more context for our non American friends! --- Moops? "I thought you were making up diseases? That's spontaneous dental hydroplosion." <cite>Suprak the Stud posted [p:935329305] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>ACA was definitely good, but Obama himself wanted something better! He was forced to compromise for the ACA because conservative democrats absolutely refused to budge on the plan he actually wanted and republicans were unified against him. Just for more context for our non American friends! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 03/06/20 6:53:02 PM #449:	Suprak the Stud posted... This is an overreaction at best. You don't think it's incendiary as fuck to put a vague headline about a Swastika being at his rally combined with Bernie waving? In other "Media reports bullshit" news, National Organization for Women publicly urged Warren NOT to endorse Bernie specifically. https://www.newsweek.com/warren-urged-national-organization-women-not-endorse-sanders-1490872 The kicker is coming: "He's really, as far as we know, done next to nothing for women and for our issues," the NOW chief claimed. Except that the NOW has endorsed Bernie half a dozen times, including giving him a 100% rating the last time they gave ratings. I'd argue that this kind of shit is more damaging than a handful of snake emoji, because people SEE the obvious bullshit, realize fuckery is going on and self-disenfranchise. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:935329897] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>Suprak the Stud posted... </cite> <quote>This is an overreaction at best.</quote> You don't think it's incendiary as fuck to put a vague headline about a Swastika being at his rally combined with Bernie waving? In other "Media reports bullshit" news, National Organization for Women publicly urged Warren NOT to endorse Bernie specifically. https://www.newsweek.com/warren-urged-national-organization-women-not-endorse-sanders-1490872 The kicker is coming: <quote>"He's really, as far as we know, done next to nothing for women and for our issues," the NOW chief claimed.</quote> Except that the NOW has endorsed Bernie half a dozen times, including giving him a 100% rating the last time they gave ratings. I'd argue that this kind of shit is more damaging than a handful of snake emoji, because people SEE the obvious bullshit, realize fuckery is going on and self-disenfranchise. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
red sox 777 03/06/20 7:00:01 PM #450:	Mr Lasastryke posted... fair enough! and i guess LotM likes obamacare so my statement wasn't entirely accurate. Lasa, your initial impressions are correct. Obamacare is unpopular and has been ever since it was being discussed in Congress. It's probably more popular than repeal and replace with NOTHING but that's not saying a lot. --- September 1, 2003; November 4, 2007; September 2, 2013 Congratulations to DP Oblivion in the Guru Contest! <cite>red sox 777 posted [p:935330251] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>Mr Lasastryke posted... </cite> <quote>fair enough! and i guess LotM likes obamacare so my statement wasn't entirely accurate.</quote> Lasa, your initial impressions are correct. Obamacare is unpopular and has been ever since it was being discussed in Congress. It's probably more popular than repeal and replace with NOTHING but that's not saying a lot. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordoftheMorons 03/06/20 7:07:03 PM #451:	https://twitter.com/byjacobward/status/1236053067532886016 SXSW is cancelled. Good on Austin and SXSW. Another point I saw brought up: obviously Trump's not gonna cancel his rallies, but it would probably be a good idea for Biden/Bernie to agree to cancel theirs. --- Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Challenge! <cite>LordoftheMorons posted [p:935330586] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>https://twitter.com/byjacobward/status/1236053067532886016 SXSW is cancelled. Good on Austin and SXSW. Another point I saw brought up: obviously Trump's not gonna cancel his rallies, but it would probably be a good idea for Biden/Bernie to agree to cancel theirs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChaosTonyV4 03/06/20 7:09:52 PM #452:	LordoftheMorons posted... but it would probably be a good idea for Biden/Bernie to agree to cancel theirs. LOL no thank you, this would be shockingly convenient. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:935330711] in Politics C... [t:78452338]...</cite> <quote>LordoftheMorons posted... </cite> <quote>but it would probably be a good idea for Biden/Bernie to agree to cancel theirs.</quote> LOL no thank you, this would be shockingly convenient. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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