Board 8 > Simpsons mafia topic 5 The tire Fire

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benjamin3740 posted...

So like, despite not watching the show I know Ned is Homer's neighbor.

One of the neighbors is scum

turbopuns3 posted...

##unvote
##vote: IGCD

Clearly this needs to happen

So some fun WIFOM. If there is a scum neighbor (not saying there is, but IF), would puns vote the neighbor that is town or the neighbor that is scum?

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Suprak the Stud posted...

...you think the scum team could even *possibly* be puns/me/ben/lea?

Almost certainly not.

but the goal is never let puns get away with that again. So have to cover the option.

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I take it more as Puns just throwing down a vote he knows is effectively meaningless just to look like he's doing something. Not sure there's much else to read into it.

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Reading back puns' posts(I'm not done, but a good chunk through i think) I would be hard to be convinced IGCD isn't town. Not sure what you are trying to get at otherwise suprak.

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Also what exactly are we assuming for flavor split? Because Krusty flipped roleblocker, I'm not sure that points to any particular scumteam.

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Multiple times he says he wants to look into Han/IGCD and figure it out, but yeah I agree it feels like background noise. He asks Han multiple times but Han never responds and he just winds up dropping it:

turbopuns3 posted...

I just remembered doesn't Han claim to have a perfect accuracy of reading IGCD? That should make things pretty easy if Han flips town~

Speaking of Han - can you take a look at the interaction I had with IGCD and tell me what you see

turbopuns3 posted...

Guys I know I helped speedlynch death last game but I was scum tbqh.

We need Han to address my point about IGCD.

Han never answers that btw. I do like Death more and more though, reading through this. IGCD calls out puns for the vote immediately:
IfGodCouldDie posted...

Considering the only person I had interacted with since the game started was Han, in our chat, your vote feels really bad.

And Death raises a very good concern to puns after puns immediately unvoted and voted for Scare for voting DYL.
htaeD posted...

Puns are you still joking?
Because you're avoiding IGCDs accusation, but also because voting Scare for what I take to be a jokevote.

So there is a lot of good Death posts in here. He doesn't really go after puns at any point, but it at least feels like town reactions to things that he didn't necessarily need to be reacting to.

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red13n posted...

Reading back puns' posts(I'm not done, but a good chunk through i think) I would be hard to be convinced IGCD isn't town. Not sure what you are trying to get at otherwise suprak.

Where do I say IGCD is scum?

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red13n posted...

Also what exactly are we assuming for flavor split? Because Krusty flipped roleblocker, I'm not sure that points to any particular scumteam.

Is this relevant?

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Crescent-Moon posted...

Is this relevant?

People seem to reference it at multiple points. Seems almost entirely out of place.

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Suprak the Stud posted...

Where do I say IGCD is scum?

I'm referencing my own thoughts there. The second part is to you.

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red13n posted...

People seem to reference it at multiple points. Seems almost entirely out of place.

Can we even be sure we have any sort of real flavor split? I don't see enough at the moment to even try to assume one.

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YESTERDAY
Leafeon13N posted...

We were told pregame flavor is all a trap. Assume it's all a trap.

Suprak the Stud posted...

red if you feel like going back a page and telling me which part of my posts was meta-ing flavor, I'd love to hear it!

Leafeon13N posted...

You are talking flavor a lot, i am tuning posts like this out.

Suprak the Stud posted...

This doesn't have to do with flavor, it has to do with logic.

If your claimed flavor related very strongly to what your role is, you should have a distinct aversion to getting people to claim their flavors. This is not flavor meta, this is internally consistent logic.

Leafeon13N posted...

That is fine, I am still tuning a good chunk of the subject out.

TODAY
"#355
Also what exactly are we assuming for flavor split? Because Krusty flipped roleblocker, I'm not sure that points to any particular scumteam."

::thinking::

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Crescent-Moon posted...

Can we even be sure we have any sort of real flavor split? I don't see enough at the moment to even try to assume one.

I mean, I generally assume there is some thematic grouping to the scumteam rather than just arbitrary members.

Krusty doesn't necessarily point to a specific grouping(He could fit multiple "groups" so to speak.

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Like I was arguing with ben about him going after flavor if his role was as tied to flavor as he claimed it was. It was an actual argument about how ben was playing. A logic argument, not a flavor one.

And red goes "ignore flavor it is pointless I won't even bother reading those posts".

And today he's like "hey guyz what is the flavor divide any thoughts?"

So we can throw that into the sun too.

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Suprak the logic has changed slightly because we had a flip. And I'm just wondering in part how much nonsense that flip makes a bunch of the postings from yesterday.

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And like Crescent points out it is utterly pointless. Who cares about the flavor split and how would that help us in any way?

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red13n posted...

I mean, I generally assume there is some thematic grouping to the scumteam rather than just arbitrary members.

Krusty doesn't necessarily point to a specific grouping(He could fit multiple "groups" so to speak.

Why... Does this matter? Why is this a talking point right now instead of when the day came up?

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theres a few things to learn, mainly, who bullshitted for a lot of content, who maybe knew too much later, etc. Its less worthless now. Not something I put a lot of stock into, but its no longer something entirely off the table.

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Crescent-Moon posted...

Why... Does this matter? Why is this a talking point right now instead of when the day came up?

I don't think time has anything to do with it really? Its the same talking point now as it would have been at the start?

Also suprak quoted specifically a post theorizing a neighbor being scum for being X character, but i'm not entirely sure how we reached a conclusion of x character being scum. So it stands out a bit to me.

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We were told pregame flavor is all a trap. Assume it's all a trap.

Like that was you yesterday. How does one flip make it not a trap, regardless of what that flip was?

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Like you didn't say it was "worthless" you straight up said it was a trap. If it is a trap, it has zero worth on any day.

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Frankly I don't know enough about this flavor to even try to meta. I could throw a harpoon at random names I can think of from the show but that's about it.

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Suprak the Stud posted...

Like you didn't say it was "worthless" you straight up said it was a trap. If it is a trap, it has zero worth on any day.

Again, this doesn't necessarily apply when things are open and on the table. Things that the host has flipped are no longer traps. Also in context, I'm asking mostly for theoreticals on flavor mostly based on what people have already posted, not things out of the blue like we were having yesterday.

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turbopuns3 posted...

Why are you being defensive about me asking IGCD about your chat?

I'm aware what time it was. I'd been away from the game for a few hours and you hadn't put forward much in the game beyond snippy comments during that time.

Who exactly are you agreeing with?

puns is like super into this neighbor chat. He brings it up again until Han finally responds. He calls Han defensive, which I don't think he really was because all he said was "well it was 2 AM and I missed it".

Someone out there is tricking me because all these people I had as lean town keep doing lean town things in the re-read.

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Anyway, I am assuming from you both jumping on this one of you is scum that is egging the other on or both are scum. Both of you overfocusing on this and turning it into some kind of attack is just weird, tbh. Especially when it spawned from Suprak asking what actually is a worthless WIFOM scenario(We can already surmise IGCD is town based on interaction, I'm not sure at all where you were trying to go with that train of thought).

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You know if puns is scum leader I could see him straight up shooting Scare. He goes after him non-stop day 1 and scare was not flavor claimed at the time. Scare keeps calling puns scum and puns just keeps posting about Scare over and over. It isn't out of the realm of possibility.

Scare's a good town player too, so there's that.

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Telling you it is pointless is not attacking you, though its interesting that you're trying to treat it like one.

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I mean, its still very possible neither of them are neighbors and that kind of blows all thoughts up. But that isn't exactly a thought that sound reason ever moves forward on(What happens is you think one is scum, they flip not neighbor and oh hey it got blown up for you).

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(I was very much attacking him after he tried to completely dismiss my non-flavor related arguments as "pointless flavor meta" yesterday tbqh.)

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the meta was based on nothing we knew, definitely pointless. I am all for the "hey that flipped did it tell us anything I'm missing?" discussion.

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Suprak the Stud posted...

You know if puns is scum leader I could see him straight up shooting Scare. He goes after him non-stop day 1 and scare was not flavor claimed at the time. Scare keeps calling puns scum and puns just keeps posting about Scare over and over. It isn't out of the realm of possibility.

Scare's a good town player too, so there's that.

This reminds me that I'm still waiting in Han's reason for shading Puns.

I feel like Scare and I suspect each other early and often at least almost every game we play together. It's a vicious cycle.

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Suprak the Stud posted...

(I was very much attacking him after he tried to completely dismiss my non-flavor related arguments as "pointless flavor meta" yesterday tbqh.)

Red to me is currently in a spot where I feel better about him than logic should dictate I do.

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IT WASN'T FLAVOR META IT JUST HAD THE WORD FLAVOR IN IT. I was asking why Ben was acting the way he did. It had nothing to do with his flavor, or anyone's flavor. That wasn't flavor meta, as I pointed out to you yesterday. At the time, I thought it was an excuse to not have opinion on content by just handwaving it away as something you didn't bother with. And then on top of that you come in here today and ponder about the very same thing you pointed out we were told not to meta by Chris at the start of the game. You just said "what is the flavor split" which is literal pointless flavor meta.

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Crescent-Moon posted...

This reminds me that I'm still waiting in Han's reason for shading Puns.

I feel like Scare and I suspect each other early and often at least almost every game we play together. It's a vicious cycle.

I actually know the answer to that!

If you want the answer from Han himself though, I can let it simmer.

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Also, for the record, I was right and Ben's actions didn't make sense from what his claimed role was. Sideshow Bob as "vig" is far more loosely tied to flavor as Sideshow Bob as "person who needs to kill Bart."

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Suprak the Stud posted...

You know if puns is scum leader I could see him straight up shooting Scare. He goes after him non-stop day 1 and scare was not flavor claimed at the time. Scare keeps calling puns scum and puns just keeps posting about Scare over and over. It isn't out of the realm of possibility.

Scare's a good town player too, so there's that.

Does Puns spend a significant amount of the second half of the day (including right at the end)weakly tunneling Scare even to the end if he just intends to shoot him?

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Suprak the Stud posted...

I actually know the answer to that!

If you want the answer from Han himself though, I can let it simmer.

I've asked this at least half a dozen times and he has yet to answer me.

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Suprak the Stud posted...

Also, for the record, I was right and Ben's actions didn't make sense from what his claimed role was. Sideshow Bob as "vig" is far more loosely tied to flavor as Sideshow Bob as "person who needs to kill Bart."

I only trust Ben as not "Scum".

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Crescent-Moon posted...

Does Puns spend a significant amount of the second half of the day (including right at the end)weakly tunneling Scare even to the end if he just intends to shoot him?

I don't know for sure. Again, could be redirected based on the info we have. But Scare was absolutely on Puns most of the day and even though Scare wasn't loudly pushing it, it might've been enough for puns to go "oh shoot maybe kill him?"

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Crescent-Moon posted...

I only trust Ben as not "Scum".

I mean if Ben is indy that wants to keep killing scum for us, I am all for it. If second town bodies keep showing up, then we can begin looking his way. I think his actions make way more sense as town, at the moment. Don't know what sort of indy role he'd have to want to blow up scum, openly claim it, and behave like he did day 1.

Like I said, I thought he might be "Indy Bart Killer" or something like that. Lea is alive and well!

Crescent-Moon posted...

I've asked this at least half a dozen times and he has yet to answer me.

Interesting. Well, he does specifically state it at one point in topic.

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Obellisk posted...

Town mzero tries. He is barely around and quite inactive but actually tries.

Mzero is most likely scum this game. I can almost guarantee you a good lynch is an mzero lynch.

##unvote:
##vote: mzero

Also, puns likely on his team if he hasn't already voted him.

Dang Sbell might've been 2/2 day 1 on his scum here. I don't remember him around at deadline, but like I said before I've felt like there was this joyful life to Sbell this game that was missing when he was scum in eff 2019 mafia.

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turbopuns3 posted...

MZero has posted once so far...?

SBell, humor me here. What did we say about MZero when we were heroes?

SBell what did you say about MZero when you and puns were heroes?

(I like Sbell for his reaction to puns here as well, which is basically just quoting what he said the first time and going "you want me to type this up for you again"?)

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Corrik:

Listen, people you don't kill early are suprak, Han, red, and Mzero.

Is Mzero an uh notable town player? I haven't really seen any games he contributes majorly to as he tends to more sit back. Again, could be missing something but that is an interesting addition to the "DO NOT KILL EARLY" tier.

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turbopuns3 posted...

Show is shit, tbh. :^)

There's likely scum in MZero/SBell/Red by the way. SBell cited our recent mason game discussion of MZero as his reason that MZero (and myself?) are scum but his reasoning was the literal opposite of what we had discussed. Our previous logic would dictate that MZero is town in this case. But SBell doubled down on his reasoning so I voted MZero to see how far he would take it, but then he quickly went "oh wait my reasoning is wrong ha ha?" Red meanwhile made a really uncharacteristic bandwagon vote on MZero after criticizing the lynch minutes before, then later just hopped off as soon as something else happened.

The circumstances for all three of those players to be town are really unlikely in my mind. If SBell is scum, MZero is most likely town. If SBell and MZero are both town, Red looks more like scum. MZero can also just be scum though because the evidence of his towniness is somewhat lacking. Regardless, it would be cool if MZero appeared.

I am leaving it here just on the note that so far this is the most names puns has really singled out in a post.

Just in case he tried similar again and named the entire scumteam as town this time.

Seems unlikely but I am paranoid.

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Sorry I forgot to change some of the words from red's bad argument for it to make sense here. Just remove "as town this time from the second sentence".

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Suprak the Stud posted...

I am leaving it here just on the note that so far this is the most names puns has really singled out in a post.

Just in case he tried similar again and named the entire scumteam as town this time.

Seems unlikely but I am paranoid.

Can confirm I'm town and he didnt do it here.

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Suprak the Stud posted...

Sorry I forgot to change some of the words from red's bad argument for it to make sense here. Just remove "as town this time from the second sentence".

Also that wasn't an argument in the slightest. That was literally a note of just in case and paranoia.

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Obellisk posted...

I asked if I was wrong and had it backwards. Dude, do you know how much shit goes in and out of this brain on a daily basis.

Obellisk posted...

Sure I could go back and read it all again, but I dont remember what I said. Do you think I'd blatsntly lie about something anyone from dead town chat could disprove?

turbopuns3 posted...

Right, that's what I said. After you were pushy about insisting you'd already explained it and after I joined on and THEN you were like "oh my reason was wrong?" It felt inorganic to me in the moment

Obellisk posted...

But again, you know me a little bit in mafia. Would I just lie about something so easily disproved?

turbopuns3 posted...

I don't think you'd blatantly lie about it, no. But seeing as you just made this comment

It feels weird how sure of yourself you were when I challenged your reasoning upfront. Like you did genuinely mix up the logic but were overly confident in where you wanted to put your vote based on logic that was admittedly not that strong to begin with

If I'm done being snarky, in response to that post up there though, puns and Sbell get into a little argument which feels...organic. Do puns and Sbell stage this "hey did you remember this one thing from a past game" if they're both scum? Maybe, I guess, but I do think it earns Sbell some slight town points just for how long this back and forth goes on (in addition to Sbell's earlier response to puns).

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Scare actually does a good job carving puns up here too. Puns lays down a horrendous vote on Scare and Scare points out the logical error puns makes:

The longer its talked about the more it needs to be resolved

Votes elsewhere?

Lmao

I should maybe go back and read Scare and see who else he wanted murdered. I think it was just Death and DYL.

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I got to some of that a bit ago. Sbell is probably town. Don't think I throw it in the 100% pile but i'm probably like 88% on it just to throw a number. 88% is good.

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