Board 8 > Coronavirus Topic 3: Trials and Tribulations

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Italy's been over 3000 for a couple days now so yeah, expected.
i believe their death rate is over 7% now?


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Wanglicious posted...

Italy's been over 3000 for a couple days now so yeah, expected.
i believe their death rate is over 7% now?

Yeah.

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Gotta remember though that would be the Italy CFR if everyone with it magically recovered.
7.3%

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Wanglicious posted...

Italy's been over 3000 for a couple days now so yeah, expected.
i believe their death rate is over 7% now?

What's the age range on that 7% though? 98% over the age of 70?

As of today there are more total cases outside of China than inside. Also Italy is just shy of having twice as many active cases as China still has (if their recent numbers are legit anyway).

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mnkboy907 posted...

As of today there are more total cases outside of China than inside. Also Italy is just shy of having twice as many active cases as China still has (if their recent numbers are legit anyway).

That is assuming China's numbers are legit.

Remember we have accounts that China and Iran were lying about numbers. Italy is possibly the first true numbers we are getting.

Not saying they were lying, but it is curious.

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I literally said that.

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Haha my bad I literally glossed right over the paranthesis part.

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Swine flu was 12k in USA and 575k deaths worldwide. Corona wants the WR of the modern era

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MegamanX posted...

Swine flu was 12k in USA and 575k deaths worldwide. Corona wants the WR of the modern era

Corona wants the WR of the past 500 years.

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paulg235 posted...

Corona wants the WR of the past 500 years.

It ain't gonna beat the Spanish Flu.

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My downstairs neighbor sent me a text that he "got from his sister who got it from her husband who is military" claiming that the President is going to order a national 2-week quarantine sometime within the next 48-72 hours.

I hadn't thought of it, but I'm now assuming these types of texts have been sweeping through communities like wildfire and not doing much to quell a sense of panic. We suck.

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CaptainOfCrush posted...

My downstairs neighbor sent me a text that he "got from his sister who got it from her husband who is military" claiming that the President is going to order a national 2-week quarantine sometime within the next 48-72 hours.

I hadn't thought of it, but I'm now assuming these types of texts have been sweeping through communities like wildfire and not doing much to quell a sense of panic. We suck.

Only liberals will be quarantined though
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This is going to be absolutely devastating here. Half the people in my city are age 60+. That's not hyperbole either, the median age is literally 60.

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JeffreyRaze posted...

This is going to be absolutely devastating here. Half the people in my city are age 60+. That's not hyperbole either, the median age is literally 60.

Not for long
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CaptainOfCrush posted...

My downstairs neighbor sent me a text that he "got from his sister who got it from her husband who is military" claiming that the President is going to order a national 2-week quarantine sometime within the next 48-72 hours.

I hadn't thought of it, but I'm now assuming these types of texts have been sweeping through communities like wildfire and not doing much to quell a sense of panic. We suck.

In all seriousness, have heard similar from people with more insider info. Nothing concrete at the moment, but there are definitely high level people pushing for more local travel restrictions(It was more broad, ie, no state to state).

But within reason and I assume everyone here has, make absolutely certain you have supplies for 2 weeks.

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This guy has done a but of a deep dive on the SK and Italy CFR and death numbers. His analysis and conclusions soud plausible to my (layman's) eyes.

https://medium.com/@andreasbackhausab/coronavirus-why-its-so-deadly-in-italy-c4200a15a7bf

In short we should expect a CFR of c.1% in high income countries where the health system is not overwhelmed (and those fatalities will be mostly over 60 or with pre-existing conditions).

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https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1238957310787170307?s=21
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Who knew Ted Cruz was a secret democrat all along? Damn the Deep State is tricky.

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The positive side effects of this are definitely being understated and I feel it needs to be remembered as many of these practices should continue.

People are wanting to bring back manufacturing.
Borders suddenly matter.
People are focusing on health.
People are more conscious of unwanted touchings.
Employers are focused on health, well being, and what their actions could do.
Literally ISIS is scaling back operations to avoid Corona virus.

If you're right wing, the list goes even bigger - decrease in abortions, guns and the matter of personal safety becoming a lot more popular - but frankly this is pretty amazing.

(Lefties are happy too with the business reforms happening and the focus on healthcare.)

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Kinglicious posted...

Literally ISIS is scaling back operations to avoid Corona virus.

But we completely 100% defeated ISIS over a year ago.

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https://twitter.com/donmoyn/status/1239239417715396609?s=21

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Just wanted to say that being a IT guy in this shit is the worst
Yes sure we will make it possible for 1000 people that never worked from home to work from home
In like a week
Sure

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Ohio banning dine-in at all restaurants effective tonight. Also they are making some (temporary?) changes to unemployment in order to make it easier to provide relief to people put out of work due to the virus, though I don't have a detailed understanding of what exactly this entails.
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https://twitter.com/abc7jory/status/1239271602988056576?s=21

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Ugh. I eat out literally 95% of my meals.

So do I, if I can suck it up so can you

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Curious if they can do unemployment online so to avoid every waiter and bartender in the country showing up everywhere

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Heres the actual directive from Newsom:

https://twitter.com/capitolalert/status/1239298018324578304?s=21

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Corrik7 posted...

It ain't gonna beat the Spanish Flu.

And I hope that it doesn't even come close, but a lot of it will depend on the next few months, how everyone reacts to it over time, and what decisions goverments are making now and throughout the spring. If things go wrong somewhere or an issue arises for whatever reason, it could spiral further out of control.

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I'm curious to see how the American and Canadian health care systems compare to eachother in how this all shakes out

I've heard americans are getting billed like $3k just to get tested, and that doesn't include treatment. That's sounds insane to me but maybe that's normal there. If everyone accrues thousands in medical bills/debt as a result of this at a time where income is also restricted, that sounds like a big problem.

In Canada, the failure would be that people just aren't able to get testing and treatment done in a timely manner.

I wonder if poor performance could provoke a change in either system

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Quietly and quietly, Switzerland is getting into a bad situation
They have less population than we do (Israel) but also 10 times as much infected.
This is pretty bad, with 800 new cases today.
It might become a new source of a outbreak

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https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/1239302007317573635?s=21
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MA schools out til at least April 7


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LordoftheMorons posted...

Heres the actual directive from Newsom:

https://twitter.com/capitolalert/status/1239298018324578304?s=21

So we're going the French route.
Bars is easily the most expected and easiest closures. Restaurants little harder. But as Ohio's apparently doing, doable.

With a state of emergency government can also impose a curfew and that'd be next. If THAT isn't enough... Not sure what else can be done. There should be a massive mobilization for medical manufacturing right now and I'm not seeing it.


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All DoD personnel are banned from domestic travel til May 11th.

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Social distancing is going to be the phrase of 2020.
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Apparently NYC is finally closing schools, but not bars??

Really hope De Blasio does so before St. Patrick's day.

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CoolCly posted...

I'm curious to see how the American and Canadian health care systems compare to eachother in how this all shakes out

I've heard americans are getting billed like $3k just to get tested, and that doesn't include treatment. That's sounds insane to me but maybe that's normal there. If everyone accrues thousands in medical bills/debt as a result of this at a time where income is also restricted, that sounds like a big problem.

In Canada, the failure would be that people just aren't able to get testing and treatment done in a timely manner.

I wonder if poor performance could provoke a change in either system

My health insurance provider (Cigna) just said all COVID 19-related healthcare will be 100% covered. I'm sure other large insurers will follow. If that does happen, then advantage US in that scenario.

Arguably the only thing bad about universal healthcare is the waitlists.

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All gatherings of 25 or more banned in Massachusetts. Restaurants are all take out only too. Fun fun fun if only they did this yesterday

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I guess we're lucky take out courier services have been come so common recently

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Im not even gonna risk it. Who knows if theres anyone sick at these places

ive become the most paranoid person

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Schools in 24 of the 25 biggest counties in California have been shut down. Naturally my partner works for the 1 in 25 that hasn't. lol

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I'm sure it's been asked, but isolation won't stop this, but it's necessary to prolong the spread as long as possible until we have vaccine!

3DSRage posted...

I'm sure it's been asked, but isolation won't stop this, but it's necessary to prolong the spread as long as possible until we have vaccine!

It's in principle possible for isolation to stop it; South Korea has gotten growth down to being linear and could be more aggressive. It requires that people comply with distancing even as things appear to be getting better, though.

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guffguy89 posted...

My health insurance provider (Cigna) just said all COVID 19-related healthcare will be 100% covered. I'm sure other large insurers will follow. If that does happen, then advantage US in that scenario.

Arguably the only thing bad about universal healthcare is the waitlists.

Why are they charging for tests when getting tested is ultimately for the greater good if society and not a personal benefit.

Restaurants, bars, and clubs will never close in Nevada. If anything, doorbusters will be getting announced soon.

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Ryokles posted...

All gatherings of 25 or more banned in Massachusetts. Restaurants are all take out only too. Fun fun fun if only they did this yesterday

good thing my friend's birthday was yesterday and got to go out to celebrate the big 30

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LordoftheMorons posted...

It's in principle possible for isolation to stop it; South Korea has gotten growth down to being linear and could be more aggressive. It requires that people comply with distancing even as things appear to be getting better, though.

Linear is good, but anything outside of shooting people in the streets, worldwide, won't stop this before a vaccine...

3DSRage posted...

Why are they charging for tests when getting tested is ultimately for the greater good if society and not a personal benefit.

I mean, as long as I'm not paying for it doesn't make a difference to me either way. Of course, you're referring to people who maybe don't have insurance and so forth. I imagine that maybe people were being billed initially for COVID-related care, but it sure seems like the US is leaning towards unilaterally making Covid-related care free.

My sister is in London, where they have universal health care. It's really great to get care at no cost over there, but the wait times and limitations on selection are a legitimate thing. Also, my sister had a baby over there. It's her second. She had her first in the US. In the US, you get your own private room, a lot more flexibility with scheduling, and more time in the hospital if needed. In the UK, she had to share a room, scheduling was made for her, and they kicked her out earlier than what I wouldve liked (which led the tear in her c-section scar to break open from all the additional movement).

Bottom line is that its great that universal healthcare makes healthcare affordable to all, but we need to understand in America, that if that happens, the way we experience healthcare will decline to what we are used to experiencing now as far as service, availability, and selection goes.

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