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MI4 REAL 03/20/20 6:49:55 AM #1:	https://imgur.com/a/mn363ta --- "Er...well, y'know. You can't make an omelette without um...destroying a forest.....or something" -Black Mage <cite>MI4 REAL posted [p:935936391] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>https://imgur.com/a/mn363ta </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 03/20/20 6:53:09 AM #2:	Trying to explain the US healthcare system to Australians is funny They just don't get it --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:935936450] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>Trying to explain the US healthcare system to Australians is funny They just don't get it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SH_expert44 03/20/20 6:58:03 AM #3:	Those who pay should have better access to a health care service. It is the same reason that fast passes and VIP areas exist. Everyone else can get the basic experience, or wait in a super huge line, but those with the foresight to prepare get a better ride. Its because there is only so much space, and so many care providers and supplies to go around. --- https://imgur.com/iQep35u https://imgur.com/nhHkg9L <cite>SH_expert44 posted [p:935936543] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>Those who pay should have better access to a health care service. It is the same reason that fast passes and VIP areas exist. Everyone else can get the basic experience, or wait in a super huge line, but those with the foresight to prepare get a better ride. Its because there is only so much space, and so many care providers and supplies to go around. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 03/20/20 7:02:45 AM #4:	SH_expert44 posted... Those who pay should have better access to a health care service. 1. Why? 2. Everybody "pays" SH_expert44 posted... It is the same reason that fast passes and VIP areas exist. Everyone else can get the basic experience, or wait in a super huge line, but those with the foresight to prepare get a better ride. Its because there is only so much space, and so many care providers and supplies to go around. The US easily has enough "space" and resources for everyone yet it pays more per head for a lower standard per head for healthcare than near nation with less resources that has universal care "you shouldn't get life saving medicine after being hit by a car because you weren't born rich and thats not fair to billionaires " is madness --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:935936618] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>SH_expert44 posted...</cite> <quote>Those who pay should have better access to a health care service. </quote> 1. Why? 2. Everybody "pays" SH_expert44 posted...</cite> <quote>It is the same reason that fast passes and VIP areas exist. Everyone else can get the basic experience, or wait in a super huge line, but those with the foresight to prepare get a better ride. Its because there is only so much space, and so many care providers and supplies to go around. </quote> The US easily has enough "space" and resources for everyone yet it pays more per head for a lower standard per head for healthcare than near nation with less resources that has universal care "you shouldn't get life saving medicine after being hit by a car because you weren't born rich and thats not fair to billionaires " is madness</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 03/20/20 7:06:33 AM #5:	SH_expert44 posted... Those who pay should have better access to a health care service. so you think it's good that people should go into crippling medical debt because a family member died of cancer? --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:935936684] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>SH_expert44 posted... </cite> <quote>Those who pay should have better access to a health care service.</quote>so you think it's good that people should go into crippling medical debt because a family member died of cancer? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SH_expert44 03/20/20 7:07:09 AM #6:	UnfairRepresent posted... 1. Why? 2. Everybody "pays" No. Not everyone does. Thats why debt is a thing. Sometimes people just dont pay it. UnfairRepresent posted... The US easily has enough "space" and resources for everyone No they clearly dont. Have you been to a doctor lately? Even an urgent care? --- https://imgur.com/iQep35u https://imgur.com/nhHkg9L <cite>SH_expert44 posted [p:935936692] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote> 1. Why? 2. Everybody "pays"</quote>No. Not everyone does. Thats why debt is a thing. Sometimes people just dont pay it. UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote> The US easily has enough "space" and resources for everyone</quote>No they clearly dont. Have you been to a doctor lately? Even an urgent care? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 03/20/20 7:07:58 AM #7:	SH_expert44 posted... Those who pay should have better access to a health care service. I reject a world where our worthiness to receive health care is based on how much money we can spend. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:935936708] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>SH_expert44 posted... </cite> <quote>Those who pay should have better access to a health care service.</quote>I reject a world where our worthiness to receive health care is based on how much money we can spend. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SH_expert44 03/20/20 7:08:32 AM #8:	averagejoel posted... so you think it's good that people should go into crippling medical debt because a family member died of cancer? Who would be on the line for the bill? --- https://imgur.com/iQep35u https://imgur.com/nhHkg9L <cite>SH_expert44 posted [p:935936720] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>so you think it's good that people should go into crippling medical debt because a family member died of cancer?</quote>Who would be on the line for the bill? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bover_87 03/20/20 7:09:03 AM #9:	SH_expert44 posted... Those who pay should have better access to a health care service. It is the same reason that fast passes and VIP areas exist. Everyone else can get the basic experience, or wait in a super huge line, but those with the foresight to prepare get a better ride. Its because there is only so much space, and so many care providers and supplies to go around. this is a hilariously dumb take --- I...I shall consume. Consume...consume everything. ~ [FFRK] rcr6 - Arbiter's Tome/Forbidden Power/Divine Veil Grimoire <cite>bover_87 posted [p:935936728] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>SH_expert44 posted... </cite> <quote>Those who pay should have better access to a health care service. It is the same reason that fast passes and VIP areas exist. Everyone else can get the basic experience, or wait in a super huge line, but those with the foresight to prepare get a better ride. Its because there is only so much space, and so many care providers and supplies to go around.</quote>this is a hilariously dumb take </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SH_expert44 03/20/20 7:09:06 AM #10:	CyricZ posted... I reject a world where our worthiness to receive health care is based on how much money we can spend. sorry bud, but youre living in it. --- https://imgur.com/iQep35u https://imgur.com/nhHkg9L <cite>SH_expert44 posted [p:935936734] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>I reject a world where our worthiness to receive health care is based on how much money we can spend.</quote>sorry bud, but youre living in it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 03/20/20 7:10:45 AM #11:	SH_expert44 posted... sorry bud, but youre living in it. owtheedge Maybe the implication of that statement is that I'm doing what I can to work towards a world that's not that. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:935936758] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>SH_expert44 posted... </cite> <quote>sorry bud, but youre living in it.</quote>owtheedge Maybe the implication of that statement is that I'm doing what I can to work towards a world that's not that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SH_expert44 03/20/20 7:11:23 AM #12:	CyricZ posted... Maybe the implication of that statement is that I'm doing what I can to work towards a world that's not that. What exactly are you doing? I would like to help in your goal. --- https://imgur.com/iQep35u https://imgur.com/nhHkg9L <cite>SH_expert44 posted [p:935936769] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote> Maybe the implication of that statement is that I'm doing what I can to work towards a world that's not that.</quote>What exactly are you doing? I would like to help in your goal. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
treewojima 03/20/20 7:11:42 AM #13:	SH_expert44 posted... CyricZ posted... I reject a world where our worthiness to receive health care is based on how much money we can spend. sorry bud, but youre living in it. "and yet you participate in society, curious I am very intelligent" <cite>treewojima posted [p:935936778] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>SH_expert44 posted...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote> I reject a world where our worthiness to receive health care is based on how much money we can spend.</quote>sorry bud, but youre living in it. </quote> "and yet you participate in society, curious I am very intelligent"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 03/20/20 7:11:50 AM #14:	SH_expert44 posted... sorry bud, but youre living in it. only in some cases --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:935936782] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>SH_expert44 posted...</cite> <quote> sorry bud, but youre living in it. </quote> only in some cases</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
008Zulu 03/20/20 7:12:20 AM #15:	UnfairRepresent posted... Trying to explain the US healthcare system to Australians is funny They just don't get it Well yeah, it's stupidly insane. --- If you put your pride before a full stomach, you'll die starving. <cite>008Zulu posted [p:935936795] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Trying to explain the US healthcare system to Australians is funny They just don't get it</quote>Well yeah, it's stupidly insane. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 03/20/20 7:13:46 AM #16:	SH_expert44 posted... What exactly are you doing? I would like to help in your goal. Knowledge, awareness, and voting for those who would get us towards that reality. The only reason we, the richest nation on this planet, live in such a situation is because it has been chosen for us and we've resigned ourselves to it. The first step is realizing that we don't have to accept either. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:935936823] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>SH_expert44 posted... </cite> <quote>What exactly are you doing? I would like to help in your goal.</quote>Knowledge, awareness, and voting for those who would get us towards that reality. The only reason we, the richest nation on this planet, live in such a situation is because it has been chosen for us and we've resigned ourselves to it. The first step is realizing that we don't have to accept either. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Resaix 03/20/20 7:14:03 AM #17:	SH_expert44 posted... Who would be on the line for the bill? The insurance companies. They make plenty of money off people like me who never go to the doctor except for yearly physicals. Insurance was designed to be a pool. Our premiums help pay those in need. Greedy shitbags have corrupted the system though. <cite>Resaix posted [p:935936825] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>SH_expert44 posted... </cite> <quote>Who would be on the line for the bill?</quote>The insurance companies. They make plenty of money off people like me who never go to the doctor except for yearly physicals. Insurance was designed to be a pool. Our premiums help pay those in need. Greedy shitbags have corrupted the system though. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kolibri X 03/20/20 7:14:32 AM #18:	I remember refusing to pay a hospital bill. They kept sending me bills but I would throw them away. I had the money but it was too much in my opinion. Months and months went by and eventually they knocked it down to half. They were just happy to get something. The perma-poor don't pay anything and they can't let someone die in hospital waiting room. Good luck squeezing water from that stone. It's the good boys and girls in the middle class that get screwed. --- Platinum GameFAQs Member <cite>Kolibri X posted [p:935936834] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>I remember refusing to pay a hospital bill. They kept sending me bills but I would throw them away. I had the money but it was too much in my opinion. Months and months went by and eventually they knocked it down to half. They were just happy to get something. The perma-poor don't pay anything and they can't let someone die in hospital waiting room. Good luck squeezing water from that stone. It's the good boys and girls in the middle class that get screwed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 03/20/20 7:17:54 AM #19:	SH_expert44 posted... Who would be on the line for the bill? answer the question. yes or no --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:935936884] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>SH_expert44 posted... </cite> <quote>Who would be on the line for the bill?</quote>answer the question. yes or no </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 03/20/20 7:18:13 AM #20:	SH_expert44 posted... Who would be on the line for the bill? Everyone is on the line in the US right now dude. You're just getting less out of it The idea that the US population isnt paying for healthcare is a myth --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! https://imgur.com/yPw05Ob <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:935936890] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>SH_expert44 posted...</cite> <quote> Who would be on the line for the bill? </quote> Everyone is on the line in the US right now dude. You're just getting less out of it The idea that the US population isnt paying for healthcare is a myth</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SH_expert44 03/20/20 7:19:46 AM #21:	averagejoel posted... answer the question. yes or no Thats not a yes or no question. --- https://imgur.com/iQep35u https://imgur.com/nhHkg9L <cite>SH_expert44 posted [p:935936917] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>answer the question. yes or no</quote>Thats not a yes or no question. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TwoDoorPC 03/20/20 7:20:17 AM #22:	CyricZ posted... I reject a world where our worthiness to receive health care is based on how much money we can spend. --- Tell me your favourite things Tell me your favourite things <cite>TwoDoorPC posted [p:935936925] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>CyricZ posted... </cite> <quote>I reject a world where our worthiness to receive health care is based on how much money we can spend.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Resaix 03/20/20 7:20:50 AM #23:	SH_expert44 posted... Thats not a yes or no question. averagejoel posted... so you think it's good that people should go into crippling medical debt because a family member died of cancer? That literally is a yes or no question. You deflected into "who gets the bill" <cite>Resaix posted [p:935936937] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>SH_expert44 posted... </cite> <quote>Thats not a yes or no question.</quote> averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>so you think it's good that people should go into crippling medical debt because a family member died of cancer?</quote>That literally is a yes or no question. You deflected into "who gets the bill" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MI4 REAL 03/20/20 7:21:44 AM #24:	UnfairRepresent posted... Trying to explain the US healthcare system to Australians is funny They just don't get it I'm literally talking to one rn --- "Er...well, y'know. You can't make an omelette without um...destroying a forest.....or something" -Black Mage <cite>MI4 REAL posted [p:935936956] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>UnfairRepresent posted... </cite> <quote>Trying to explain the US healthcare system to Australians is funny They just don't get it</quote> I'm literally talking to one rn </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrDrMan 03/20/20 7:21:54 AM #25:	Necessary healthcare being for profit is beyond fucked up. Sad this is what it took for people to realize US health care is a load of shit. People die unnecessarily everyday over money in this country. I think I read one bottle of insulin goes for like $300-$600? Absolutely ridiculous. --- Pimpin aint easy Chiefs/Royals/Lakers 2015/2016 champs baby <cite>MrDrMan posted [p:935936959] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>Necessary healthcare being for profit is beyond fucked up. Sad this is what it took for people to realize US health care is a load of shit. People die unnecessarily everyday over money in this country. I think I read one bottle of insulin goes for like $300-$600? Absolutely ridiculous. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 03/20/20 7:21:55 AM #26:	SH_expert44 posted... Thats not a yes or no question. yes it is. answer it. don't deflect. --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:935936960] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>SH_expert44 posted... </cite> <quote>Thats not a yes or no question.</quote>yes it is. answer it. don't deflect. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SH_expert44 03/20/20 7:23:22 AM #27:	Resaix posted... That literally is a yes or no question. You deflected into "who gets the bill" I should rephrase that. Its a question that needs more information. Why would the family go into debt? Is it even legal to go after the family (outside of a spouse) for a debt like that? If thats the case, of course its not a good thing. That sounds very illegal. --- https://imgur.com/iQep35u https://imgur.com/nhHkg9L <cite>SH_expert44 posted [p:935936984] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>Resaix posted... </cite> <quote>That literally is a yes or no question. You deflected into "who gets the bill"</quote>I should rephrase that. Its a question that needs more information. Why would the family go into debt? Is it even legal to go after the family (outside of a spouse) for a debt like that? If thats the case, of course its not a good thing. That sounds very illegal. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MI4 REAL 03/20/20 7:23:41 AM #28:	(Literally changed a video name to American Healthcare in a Nutshell COVID-19 for less than 5 minutes) MI4 REAL: Don't be obtuse *** I'm not, that was a serious question MI4 REAL: Yes MI4 REAL: just got my comments disabled on that vid for 30 days **: and that's why you've got a problem with that act? (COPPA) MI4 REAL: It's ambiguous an vague. *: so it's the fault of the act, and not what you wrote that's the problem then? MI4 REAL: i briefly changed the video name and all of a a suddenn it's go fuck yourself *: that's still on you MI4 REAL: doesn't mean it's any less horseshit MI4 REAL*: but it's only a month --- "Er...well, y'know. You can't make an omelette without um...destroying a forest.....or something"* -Black Mage <cite>MI4 REAL posted [p:935936988] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>(Literally changed a video name to American Healthcare in a Nutshell COVID-19 for less than 5 minutes) MI4 REAL: Don't be obtuse *** I'm not, that was a serious question MI4 REAL: Yes MI4 REAL: just got my comments disabled on that vid for 30 days **: and that's why you've got a problem with that act? (COPPA) MI4 REAL: It's ambiguous an vague. *: so it's the fault of the act, and not what you wrote that's the problem then? MI4 REAL: i briefly changed the video name and all of a a suddenn it's go fuck yourself ***: that's still on you MI4 REAL: doesn't mean it's any less horseshit MI4 REAL: but it's only a month </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MI4 REAL 03/20/20 7:25:43 AM #29:	*** who? MI4 REAL: short....more censorship to fuck us all.....anyway it stands for Chidren Online Privacy Protection Act. MI4 REAL: Which Youtube has violated, and is enforcign for asshole purposes ***: so you don't think kids should have a right to privacy? --- "Er...well, y'know. You can't make an omelette without um...destroying a forest.....or something"* -Black Mage <cite>MI4 REAL posted [p:935937022] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>*** who? MI4 REAL: short....more censorship to fuck us all.....anyway it stands for Chidren Online Privacy Protection Act. MI4 REAL: Which Youtube has violated, and is enforcign for asshole purposes ****: so you don't think kids should have a right to privacy? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 03/20/20 7:27:36 AM #30:	SH_expert44 posted... Why would the family go into debt? because a kid had cancer treatment that failed and they still have to pay for it Is it even legal to go after the family (outside of a spouse) for a debt like that? there are many people with debt like this in the US. --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:935937055] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>SH_expert44 posted... </cite> <quote>Why would the family go into debt?</quote>because a kid had cancer treatment that failed and they still have to pay for it <quote>Is it even legal to go after the family (outside of a spouse) for a debt like that?</quote>there are many people with debt like this in the US. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MI4 REAL 03/20/20 7:30:55 AM #31:	There is also a bunch of bullshit laws regarding scrips. --- "Er...well, y'know. You can't make an omelette without um...destroying a forest.....or something" -Black Mage <cite>MI4 REAL posted [p:935937131] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>There is also a bunch of bullshit laws regarding scrips. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SH_expert44 03/20/20 7:31:18 AM #32:	averagejoel posted... because a kid had cancer treatment that failed and they still have to pay for it In that case, no it is not a good thing. Its a reality, but not good. averagejoel posted... there are many people with debt like this in the US. In what cases is it legal to pass on a debt? Only in cases of being a guardian or spouse? or is there others? --- https://imgur.com/iQep35u https://imgur.com/nhHkg9L <cite>SH_expert44 posted [p:935937136] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>because a kid had cancer treatment that failed and they still have to pay for it</quote>In that case, no it is not a good thing. Its a reality, but not good. averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>there are many people with debt like this in the US.</quote>In what cases is it legal to pass on a debt? Only in cases of being a guardian or spouse? or is there others? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 03/20/20 7:31:29 AM #33:	SH_expert44 posted... Those who pay should have better access to a health care service. It is the same reason that fast passes and VIP areas exist. Everyone else can get the basic experience, or wait in a super huge line, but those with the foresight to prepare get a better ride. Its because there is only so much space, and so many care providers and supplies to go around. As best I can make out, it's more like those who can't afford to pay pay get no experience, and if they need the experience they have to end up paying more than those who can afford to pay. Go into unfixable debt over a minor health problem and then being fired from your job for being off work for a couple of weeks, causing an even bigger spiral of debt...this is supposed to make sense? If that doesn't make sense, I guess that's why everyone says the USA healthcare system is broken. --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:935937140] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>SH_expert44 posted... </cite> <quote>Those who pay should have better access to a health care service. It is the same reason that fast passes and VIP areas exist. Everyone else can get the basic experience, or wait in a super huge line, but those with the foresight to prepare get a better ride. Its because there is only so much space, and so many care providers and supplies to go around.</quote> As best I can make out, it's more like those who can't afford to pay pay get no experience, and if they need the experience they have to end up paying more than those who can afford to pay. Go into unfixable debt over a minor health problem and then being fired from your job for being off work for a couple of weeks, causing an even bigger spiral of debt...this is supposed to make sense? If that doesn't make sense, I guess that's why everyone says the USA healthcare system is broken. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 03/20/20 7:36:02 AM #34:	SH_expert44 posted... In that case, no it is not a good thing. Its a reality, but not good. good! you're learning! remember that these things were organized intentionally. they do not have to be they way they currently are. they can change. In what cases is it legal to pass on a debt? Only in cases of being a guardian or spouse? or is there others? I don't know, and I don't care. it is wrong regardless of circumstances. medical debt is wrong. having to pay for treatment in the first place is wrong. medical treatment is a basic necessity, and should be available to everyone regardless of income. it is callous to suggest otherwise --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:935937219] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>SH_expert44 posted... </cite> <quote>In that case, no it is not a good thing. Its a reality, but not good.</quote>good! you're learning! remember that these things were organized intentionally. they do not have to be they way they currently are. they can change. <quote>In what cases is it legal to pass on a debt? Only in cases of being a guardian or spouse? or is there others?</quote>I don't know, and I don't care. it is wrong regardless of circumstances. medical debt is wrong. having to pay for treatment in the first place is wrong. medical treatment is a basic necessity, and should be available to everyone regardless of income. it is callous to suggest otherwise </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ryven 03/20/20 7:37:36 AM #35:	Expected a picture of a nutshell with 'US healthcare' in it >_> --- 'We're not gonna make it, are we? People i mean.' 'It's in your nature to destroy yourselves.' <cite>Ryven posted [p:935937248] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>Expected a picture of a nutshell with 'US healthcare' in it >_> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sphyx 03/20/20 7:44:06 AM #36:	There's a sense of exasperation in dealing with someone whose argument in this issue can seemingly be boiled down to "well, that's what they're charging us, so that's what we should pay!" --- You're so vain, You probably think this sig is about you. <cite>Sphyx posted [p:935937364] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>There's a sense of exasperation in dealing with someone whose argument in this issue can seemingly be boiled down to "well, that's what they're charging us, so that's what we should pay!" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SH_expert44 03/20/20 7:44:47 AM #37:	averagejoel posted... medical treatment is a basic necessity, and should be available to everyone regardless of income. it is callous to suggest otherwise It is available to everyone. thats why government funded programs exist just to get people into a doctors office. It just takes more foot work and trying if you have to figure it out for yourself. Ive been on both sides. When i was young i was on a state medical program, and at that time you had to hustle to get into a doctor in the hood and they were always packed. I can see why many just give up and let it go. Now that i am older and have "good" insurance, it is WAAAAAAY easier to get into a doctors office that is nice and not crowded. The last time i had an appointment, i was in the back within 10 minutes. And it was for the exact same shit i went for when i was younger. it made me realize that when you pay more, you get better access treatment. And the barrier for entry to that isnt even very high. Im not a millionaire. --- https://imgur.com/iQep35u https://imgur.com/nhHkg9L <cite>SH_expert44 posted [p:935937379] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote> medical treatment is a basic necessity, and should be available to everyone regardless of income. it is callous to suggest otherwise</quote>It is available to everyone. thats why government funded programs exist just to get people into a doctors office. It just takes more foot work and trying if you have to figure it out for yourself. Ive been on both sides. When i was young i was on a state medical program, and at that time you had to hustle to get into a doctor in the hood and they were always packed. I can see why many just give up and let it go. Now that i am older and have "good" insurance, it is WAAAAAAY easier to get into a doctors office that is nice and not crowded. The last time i had an appointment, i was in the back within 10 minutes. And it was for the exact same shit i went for when i was younger. it made me realize that when you pay more, you get better access treatment. And the barrier for entry to that isnt even very high. Im not a millionaire. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MI4 REAL 03/20/20 7:44:55 AM #38:	Sphyx posted... There's a sense of exasperation in dealing with someone whose argument in this issue can seemingly be boiled down to "well, that's what they're charging us, so that's what we should pay!" Understatement. --- "Er...well, y'know. You can't make an omelette without um...destroying a forest.....or something" -Black Mage <cite>MI4 REAL posted [p:935937380] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>Sphyx posted... </cite> <quote>There's a sense of exasperation in dealing with someone whose argument in this issue can seemingly be boiled down to "well, that's what they're charging us, so that's what we should pay!"</quote> Understatement. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MI4 REAL 03/20/20 7:45:28 AM #39:	Old highway man --- "Er...well, y'know. You can't make an omelette without um...destroying a forest.....or something" -Black Mage <cite>MI4 REAL posted [p:935937383] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>Old highway man </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Resaix 03/20/20 7:48:18 AM #40:	SH_expert44 posted... it made me realize that when you pay more, you get better access treatment. And the barrier for entry to that isnt even very high. Im not a millionaire. This should not apply to essential services though. That's the whole point. That model is perfectly fine and fair when it comes to luxuries and non essential things. But for stuff you need to live, you shouldn't be fucked because you can't afford it. <cite>Resaix posted [p:935937436] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>SH_expert44 posted... </cite> <quote>it made me realize that when you pay more, you get better access treatment. And the barrier for entry to that isnt even very high. Im not a millionaire.</quote>This should not apply to essential services though. That's the whole point. That model is perfectly fine and fair when it comes to luxuries and non essential things. But for stuff you need to live, you shouldn't be fucked because you can't afford it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pinky0926 03/20/20 7:51:19 AM #41:	Resaix posted... This should not apply to essential services though. That's the whole point. That model is perfectly fine and fair when it comes to luxuries and non essential things. But for stuff you need to live, you shouldn't be fucked because you can't afford it. It's astonishing this even bears explaining. The coronavirus crisis has really exposed how much these people actually like these essential services so long as they apply to themselves. 1000 dollars of free government money to keep you on your feet? Daddy Trump is a godsend! --- CE's Resident Scotsman. https://imgur.com/ILz2ZbV <cite>pinky0926 posted [p:935937496] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>Resaix posted... </cite> <quote>This should not apply to essential services though. That's the whole point. That model is perfectly fine and fair when it comes to luxuries and non essential things. But for stuff you need to live, you shouldn't be fucked because you can't afford it.</quote> It's astonishing this even bears explaining. The coronavirus crisis has really exposed how much these people actually like these essential services so long as they apply to themselves. 1000 dollars of free government money to keep you on your feet? Daddy Trump is a godsend! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 03/20/20 7:53:31 AM #42:	SH_expert44 posted... It is available to everyone. no it is not. and it will not be available to everyone until it is funded entirely through taxes. SH_expert44 posted... Ive been on both sides. When i was young i was on a state medical program, and at that time you had to hustle to get into a doctor in the hood and they were always packed. I can see why many just give up and let it go. Now that i am older and have "good" insurance, it is WAAAAAAY easier to get into a doctors office that is nice and not crowded. The last time i had an appointment, i was in the back within 10 minutes. And it was for the exact same shit i went for when i was younger. it made me realize that when you pay more, you get better access treatment. and what everyone with a conscience is saying, is that that shouldn't be the case. --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:935937542] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>SH_expert44 posted... </cite> <quote>It is available to everyone.</quote>no it is not. and it will not be available to everyone until it is funded entirely through taxes. SH_expert44 posted... </cite> <quote>Ive been on both sides. When i was young i was on a state medical program, and at that time you had to hustle to get into a doctor in the hood and they were always packed. I can see why many just give up and let it go. Now that i am older and have "good" insurance, it is WAAAAAAY easier to get into a doctors office that is nice and not crowded. The last time i had an appointment, i was in the back within 10 minutes. And it was for the exact same shit i went for when i was younger. it made me realize that when you pay more, you get better access treatment.</quote>and what everyone with a conscience is saying, is that that shouldn't be the case. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SH_expert44 03/20/20 8:06:22 AM #43:	averagejoel posted... and what everyone with a conscience is saying, is that that shouldn't be the case. Dont get me wrong. i would love free premium healthcare for everyone. But it will realistically never happen in america. So the next best thing is to look at things from a realistic perspective. Whats the most realistic thing that we cold hope for? Putting caps on costs? Wider funding to medicare/cade so more qualify? Lowering premiums for those with more preexisting issues? Capping drug costs? Asking for universal anything is an impossible ask for the USA. It may have worked in some other areas, but the US is a whole different bag compared to anywhere else and you cant make a 1:1 comparison. If anything was needed to be done, i would say to start looking at why costs are so high, starting with the cost to get into the field in the first place. Point a finger at colleges who charge out the ass to train these people in the first place. Should the best education only be offered to those who could afford it? If not, what can we do to fix that. --- https://imgur.com/iQep35u https://imgur.com/nhHkg9L <cite>SH_expert44 posted [p:935937803] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>averagejoel posted... </cite> <quote>and what everyone with a conscience is saying, is that that shouldn't be the case.</quote>Dont get me wrong. i would love free premium healthcare for everyone. But it will realistically never happen in america. So the next best thing is to look at things from a realistic perspective. Whats the most realistic thing that we cold hope for? Putting caps on costs? Wider funding to medicare/cade so more qualify? Lowering premiums for those with more preexisting issues? Capping drug costs? Asking for universal anything is an impossible ask for the USA. It may have worked in some other areas, but the US is a whole different bag compared to anywhere else and you cant make a 1:1 comparison. If anything was needed to be done, i would say to start looking at why costs are so high, starting with the cost to get into the field in the first place. Point a finger at colleges who charge out the ass to train these people in the first place. Should the best education only be offered to those who could afford it? If not, what can we do to fix that. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
treewojima 03/20/20 8:10:51 AM #44:	ahhh, good ol' American exceptionalism <cite>treewojima posted [p:935937902] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>ahhh, good ol' American exceptionalism</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 03/20/20 8:14:06 AM #45:	Daraprim. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:935937977] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>Daraprim. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
averagejoel 03/20/20 8:17:31 AM #46:	SH_expert44 posted... Dont get me wrong. i would love free premium healthcare for everyone. But it will realistically never happen in america. incorrect. So the next best thing is to look at things from a realistic perspective. Whats the most realistic thing that we cold hope for? there are literally people campaigning for it right now Asking for universal anything is an impossible ask for the USA. It may have worked in some other areas, but the US is a whole different bag compared to anywhere else and you cant make a 1:1 comparison. no one said it was a 1:1 comparison. we're only saying that it should happen and that it can happen If anything was needed to be done, i would say to start looking at why costs are so high they're high because healthcare is an essential service being run like a for-profit business. next question Should the best education only be offered to those who could afford it? If not, what can we do to fix that. it should not, and the solution is the same. universal education, funded entirely at the taxpayer level. private education, like private healthcare, should not exist. --- peanut butter and dick <cite>averagejoel posted [p:935938059] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>SH_expert44 posted... </cite> <quote>Dont get me wrong. i would love free premium healthcare for everyone. But it will realistically never happen in america.</quote>incorrect. <quote>So the next best thing is to look at things from a realistic perspective. Whats the most realistic thing that we cold hope for?</quote>there are literally people campaigning for it right now <quote>Asking for universal anything is an impossible ask for the USA. It may have worked in some other areas, but the US is a whole different bag compared to anywhere else and you cant make a 1:1 comparison.</quote>no one said it was a 1:1 comparison. we're only saying that it should happen and that it can happen <quote>If anything was needed to be done, i would say to start looking at why costs are so high</quote>they're high because healthcare is an essential service being run like a for-profit business. next question <quote>Should the best education only be offered to those who could afford it? If not, what can we do to fix that.</quote>it should not, and the solution is the same. universal education, funded entirely at the taxpayer level. private education, like private healthcare, should not exist. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 03/20/20 8:20:03 AM #47:	Who told you that, and why didn't they tell you about the plaque in every emergency room that says that you cannot be refused treatment for lack of money? --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:935938120] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>Who told you that, and why didn't they tell you about the plaque in every emergency room that says that you cannot be refused treatment for lack of money? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ALIEN_WORK2HOP 03/20/20 8:20:09 AM #48:	SH_expert44 posted... Those who pay should have better access to a health care service. even in countries with free healthcare, private healthcare is still available for those who want it. Derp. --- If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're going to get selfish, ignorant leaders. <cite>ALIEN_WORK2HOP posted [p:935938125] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>SH_expert44 posted... </cite> <quote>Those who pay should have better access to a health care service.</quote> even in countries with free healthcare, private healthcare is still available for those who want it. Derp. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Resaix 03/20/20 8:20:47 AM #49:	DevsBro posted... Who told you that, and why didn't they tell you about the plaque in every emergency room that says that you cannot be refused treatment for lack of money? You get fucked in the ass on the flip side by debt collectors though <cite>Resaix posted [p:935938141] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>DevsBro posted... </cite> <quote>Who told you that, and why didn't they tell you about the plaque in every emergency room that says that you cannot be refused treatment for lack of money?</quote>You get fucked in the ass on the flip side by debt collectors though </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 03/20/20 8:22:13 AM #50:	Resaix posted... You get fucked in the ass on the flip side by debt collectors though It's true. The OP's image, however, is not. --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:935938169] in USA health... [t:78487400]...</cite> <quote>Resaix posted... </cite> <quote>You get fucked in the ass on the flip side by debt collectors though</quote>It's true. The OP's image, however, is not. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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