Poll of the Day > NY now has almost 20k confirmed cases, doubled in one day.

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Yesterday (It's still sunday for me....I mean i'm still up, so I mean on Saturday), it was reported that 40k people were tested and 10k of them were positive for the virus in NY.

8 hours ago a new report came out saying that over 17k people have tested positive (just in NY) Another 2000 in New Jersey as well.

It's reported that 13% of the people who tested positive have required hospitalization (150 have already died within 2 days).

Here is the NY Times report (I'd post a link but you need an account...so this is the next best thing.

New York Has Roughly 5% of Coronavirus Cases Worldwide
The increase in cases stems from both the rapid growth of the outbreak and significantly increased testing in the state.

• Published March 22, 2020
• Updated March 23, 2020, 5:54 a.m. ET
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Heres what you need to know:

• New York has 16,887 confirmed cases.
• Police cases rise.
• New Jersey has nearly 2,000 confirmed cases.
• Students must move after a virus-related death.
• Its getting worse, Mayor de Blasio says.

New York has 16,887 confirmed cases.
Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo disclosed new statistics on Sunday that indicated that New York State now has roughly 5 percent of coronavirus cases worldwide.
The jump in the number of cases in New York stems from both the rapid growth of the outbreak and significantly increased testing in the state. Health officials emphasized that testing was revealing how quickly the coronavirus has spread.
THE LATESTNew York is now an epicenter of a global pandemic.
There were 16,887 cases of the coronavirus in the state as of Sunday night, up 4,627 since Saturday, and at least 150 deaths, according to the latest figures from the city and state. As of Sunday morning, about 13 percent of people in New York State who tested positive for the virus had been hospitalized, Mr. Cuomo said.

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This is Not Life as Usual: Cuomo Calls on New Yorkers to Abide Isolation
Gov. Andrew Cuomo of New York said on Sunday that cases of the coronavirus in the state had reached 15,168, and called on New Yorkers to stop ignoring social distancing.
I dont know what theyre not understanding. This is not life as usual. None of this is life as usual. And this kind of density, we talk about social distancing I was in these parks, you would not you would not know that anything was going on. This is just a mistake. Its a mistake. Its insensitive, its arrogant, its self-destructive, its disrespectful to other people. And it has to stop. And it has to stop now. Total number of cases 15,000; total number of new cases: 4,800 new cases. This is not a short term situation. This is not a long weekend. This is not a week. The timeline, nobody can tell you. It depends on how we handle it. But 40 percent, up to 80 percent, of the population will wind up getting this. What were working very hard to do is to keep the rate of increase of the spread of the disease to a level that we can manage it in our hospital system. We have 53,000 hospital beds available. Right now, the curve suggests we could need 110,000 hospital beds and that is an obvious problem.
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This is Not Life as Usual: Cuomo Calls on New Yorkers to Abide Isolation
Gov. Andrew Cuomo of New York said on Sunday that cases of the coronavirus in the state had reached 15,168, and called on New Yorkers to stop ignoring social distancing.Credit
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The New York Times
He said that 18- to 49-year-olds make up more than half of all cases in the state. Nearly 11,000 cases were in New York City, the city said Sunday night.

• Mr. Cuomo also indicated that he would give New York City 24 hours to come up with a plan to reduce density in public spaces like parks, which he would need to approve.
• I dont know what Im saying that people dont get, Mr. Cuomo said, calling some New Yorkers behavior insensitive and arrogant. He suggested that city officials could close some streets to traffic to give residents more outdoor space.
• The governor wants state hospitals to double their capacity. He said the Federal Emergency Management Agency would build four hospitals with 1,000 total beds at the sprawling Jacob K. Javits Convention Center in Midtown Manhattan. (President Trump confirmed this in a later news conference and said the federal government would also be sending medical supplies to New York.)
• Mr. Cuomo echoed a call from Mayor Bill de Blasio for the federal government to require the private sector to produce medical equipment. If I had the power, I would do it in New York, he said.
• Mr. Cuomo reiterated his support for continued testing for the virus. Were still trying to stop the apex, he said. Im not willing to give up the testing. He also urged the federal government to move quickly to test people for antibodies indicating that they have recovered from the virus, in part to help combat health care worker shortages.
• New York has secured from the federal government trial drugs that it will begin testing on Tuesday, Mr. Cuomo said. They include hydroxychloroquine, Zithromax and chloroquine.
• The president is optimistic about these drugs, Mr. Cuomo said. Ive spoken with a number of health officials, and there is a good basis to believe that they could work.
• All elective, noncritical surgeries are canceled as of Wednesday to increase hospital bed capacity in the state by 25 to 30 percent, Mr. Cuomo said.
• Earlier on Sunday, City Councilman Mark Levine, the chairman of the Councils health committee, said on Twitter that he thought testing was causing more harm because, in part, because it requires staffing and supplies that could otherwise be used while treating seriously ill patients.

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Police cases rise.

The police commissioner, Dermot F. Shea, said 98 people in the New York Police Department, including 70 uniformed officers, had tested positive for the coronavirus. Three people have been hospitalized, and one was discharged on Sunday, he said at a news conference on Sunday.
Police officials do not believe the members of the department are contracting the virus through police work, but that officers and civilian workers are contracting it from sick family members, he said. More officers were also getting tested, he added.
As society contracts this disease, so do we, he said.
But two police officials said that the confirmed cases were just a fraction of the overall problem. Overall, more than 2,000 police officers and civilian aides have called out sick with flulike symptoms, according to the officials, who requested anonymity to discuss confidential police medical records.

Commissioner Shea would not give specific numbers but said the rate at which officers were calling out sick since Tuesday is approaching double the normal rate. But he said the department had not been hindered in carrying out its duties, including its new role enforcing social distancing at grocery stores, parks and other public places.
Latest Updates: Coronavirus Outbreak in New York

• New York has 16,887 confirmed cases.
• Police cases rise.
• New Jersey has nearly 2,000 confirmed cases.

We are not at the point where were close to going to 12-hour tours, he said. But what we are doing is planning for all eventualities and moving people from units that are less-important right now to be ready for any and all eventualities. So I think we are in a good place still and the planning is literally ongoing hour by hour.
New Jersey has nearly 2,000 confirmed cases.

Two additional drive-through testing facilities will open on Monday morning one at the PNC Bank Arts Center in Holmdel and the second at Kean University in Union.
Gov. Philip D. Murphy issued an executive order on Saturday closing nonessential businesses and asking all residents to stay home. Theres too many people still not paying attention to this, Mr. Murphy said. Weve about had it.
The states health commissioner, Judith Persichilli, said there was a shortage of blood, and she urged donors to make an appointment. Its one concrete way we can all roll up our sleeves and help, she said.

Students must move after a virus-related death.
Hundreds of students and young professionals at a residential building in Upper Manhattan have been ordered to move after a staff member tested positive for the coronavirus and a resident died from the illness.
The International House New York, which offers dormitory-style living with shared bathrooms and lounges, told all residents in its South Building that they must vacate by Friday, sending students, many of them new to the United States and with little means, scrambling to find new housing.
There are between 300 to 500 residents in the South Building, many of whom attend Columbia University. The order came after a staff member tested positive last week for the coronavirus.
Early Sunday, management at the International House, also known as the I-House, announced that a resident with the virus had died, according to an email obtained by The New York Times.
It is with tremendous sadness that I write to inform you that an I-House resident has passed away from complications from the Covid-19 virus, the management wrote to residents. We are sharing this heartbreaking news, which we just learned a few hours ago, because of the need to get this information to our community immediately during the extremely difficult time.
Management at the International House did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Students on Sunday said they were frantically packing their belongings and relying on friends to help find new housing. They said officials at the International House told them that the states newly announced moratorium on evictions did not apply because the residents signed a contract stating the International House is not a traditional landlord.
Students also said the International House had disclosed no information about the people who tested positive or whether they had contact with other people.

Im so uncertain because there are more people here who have this virus, said a 26-year-old graduate student at Columbia University who spoke on the condition of anonymity out of fear of retaliation. People here are in a difficult economic situation.
The student was moving on Sunday into an apartment in Manhattan with three friends.
Its getting worse, Mayor de Blasio says.

New York Citys health care system is straining under the deluge of coronavirus cases, and it is getting worse Mayor Bill de Blasio said on Sunday morning.
April is going to be worse than March, the mayor said on NBCs Meet the Press. And I fear May will be worse than April.
As of Sunday evening, 10,764 people in New York City had tested positive for the coronavirus, and 99 had died from complications related to it, city officials said. At least 1,800 people are hospitalized, and 450 of those patients are in the ICU.
In New York State, 61,401 people had been tested for the virus as of Sunday morning, including 26,389 in New York City. Of the fatalities in the city linked to the coronavirus as of Sunday morning, none of the patients were younger than 45 years old, and about two-thirds were men, city officials said.
Later, at a news conference, Mr. de Blasio said, We are now in New York City the epicenter of this crisis in the United States of America.

I am not happy to tell you that; youre not happy to hear it, he said.
Hours after Mr. Cuomo lashed out at arrogant and insensitive people who crowded into parks, Mr. de Blasio and Commissioner Shea took a more genteel tone in describing the kind of limited use of open space they hoped to see.
You can go to the park but only for a limited amount of time, the mayor said. Families can stay together but dont mix with other families. Mr. de Blasio said the police would break up anything that looks like the beginning of a gathering.
At one point, Mr. de Blasio lamented, Theres no more gatherings. Theres no more events. Theres no more big barbecues. All that is gone for now."
Mr. de Blasio also warned that while playgrounds will remain open, they arent regularly disinfected. Parents must take full responsibility for keeping their child healthy and away from other children, the mayor said.
If the rules are not followed this week, the mayor said he would consider closing the playgrounds.
And to help health care professionals get to work, the mayor said the city will issue 10,000 parking permits for them, starting on Monday.
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I think the doubling period has been around 1.4 days, one of my professors posted on Facebook. Looks pretty linear in a semi-log plot.

It's prob not double the number of cases, just double the number tested positive (probably due to stepping up the testing).

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My wife is a nurse and said if a patient gets tested for flu + coronavirus, etc that when they come back positive for something they cancel the remaining tests.

Problem there is that the coronavirus results often take the longest, and people could absolutely test positive for multiple illnesses.

So at least at my wife's hospital coronavirus is likely under-reported. I have to imagine this is happening elsewhere.

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wolfy42 posted...

It's prob not double the number of cases, just double the number tested positive (probably due to stepping up the testing).

This is actually all I was coming in to say. I'm sure there is actually a lot more people sick, we just can't seem to be able to test people.

Well duh, they're testing too much. I'm sure not ALL these people needed a test and being only 13% are serious situations, many would self resolve if they even knew they were carrying it.

Hope they aren't wasting tests on the clowns who went to spring break anyway.

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Actuallly testing people without symptoms is just as important if not more so in the long run, because those who have it and recover can be a base of people that can provide services in the future.

So if 20k people in NY have it right now and only 5% croak, then in 2 weeks 19k people will be immune to the virus and able to deliver groceries, prepare food etc safely.

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DPsx7 posted...

Well duh, they're testing too much. I'm sure not ALL these people needed a test and being only 13% are serious situations, many would self resolve if they even knew they were carrying it.

Hope they aren't wasting tests on the clowns who went to spring break anyway.

Stupidity like this is why we're losing the battle to get this thing contained.

There's asymptomatic people and people with minor complications running around spreading the virus. The more people who are tested, the better an idea we have of how many are infected, and the better prepared we can be to get things under control and get supplies and medicine and equipment to where it would be most effective. More testing is better. Including those morons on spring break, because while they are without a doubt morons as you say, they are also potential carriers who can spread the disease.

The longer we drag our feet with increased testing, the longer it's going to take for the government to do what they should have done already and issued some sort of shelter-in-place protocol. Right now they're saying the numbers don't support such drastic measures, but part of the reason the numbers aren't there is due to a lack of testing.

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DPsx7 posted...

Well duh, they're testing too much. I'm sure not ALL these people needed a test and being only 13% are serious situations, many would self resolve if they even knew they were carrying it.

Hope they aren't wasting tests on the clowns who went to spring break anyway.

There's no such thing as "too much testing", jfc.

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Yes there is. Testing supplies are limited right? Early detection for those at risk is better than using them on the jerks who deserve it by not staying home. Logically they probably wouldn't have caught it otherwise. They're a big reason why it's not contained and growing in the younger age ranges.

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They said 1 in 4 people they've tested are positive, so following that statistic, there's likely 5 million New Yorkers out there with the virus.

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Jedibaracuda posted...

They said 1 in 4 people they've tested are positive, so following that statistic, there's likely 5 million New Yorkers out there with the virus.

I believe they are focusing on testing people with symptoms at this point, and hopefully they have tested most of the people with symptoms and ttere isn't really 5 million people with the virus right now.

If there is, we can only hope that italy/china etc had WAY more people with the virus than they thought, and it has a much smaller chance of causing serious problems or death.

Of those tested they said 13% needed medical attention, so if 5 million people in NY all have it and 13% of em end up needing medical attention it's going to be really freaking bad.

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DPsx7 posted...

Yes there is. Testing supplies are limited right? Early detection for those at risk is better than using them on the jerks who deserve it by not staying home. Logically they probably wouldn't have caught it otherwise. They're a big reason why it's not contained and growing in the younger age ranges.

Couple things here.

1. If the government had taken this seriously from the get-go and heeded all the warnings that were sent their way, they could've ramped up production of tests months ago. Believe the tests were available as early as January iirc
2. Once again, testing as many people as possible is important for the reasons already laid out in this topic. This includes "jerks", because those jerks can infect non-jerks. And a negative result is not a wasted test. It's part of the process.
3. Many of those young people who aren't staying home are not out partying. They're at work. And they're at work because the government hasn't deemed it necessary for them to stay home yet, because the numbers don't support such measures, but the numbers aren't there because they're not testing enough.

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It wasn't here in Jan. They told people what was going on but the public didn't listen until recently. The gov't only has so much power and people as we see don't always follow along. Then they'll blame the gov't because they still haven't finished bashing poor Trump.

Yeah I get it. My point still stands they wouldn't need to burn through the tests if they didn't travel and congregate. It overwhelms the system.

Uh huh. Pics of spring break say otherwise. I guess it depends where you are though.

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DPsx7 posted...

It wasn't here in Jan.

Yes it was. Jan 15th: https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/p0121-novel-coronavirus-travel-case.html

And it was reported on back then, but the government kept downplaying it and saying it would blow over. Well guess what? It didn't. The government has to plenty of tools and resources, and had plenty of warnings that they failed to capitalize on. You know who could've prevented much of the spring break stupidity? The government! They held off closing the beaches until it was too late.

You know what else overwhelms the system? Masses upon masses of sick people entering hospitals nationwide, where preventative measures could have an impact in metering the amount of people falling ill. Preventative measures that begin in part with ramped up testing.

So no. Your point does not stand, and only serves to showcase the ignorance that is exacerbating the current situation. Your particular brand of ignorance isn't much better than that exhibited by those spring break morons.

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Just admit you're wrong. Things were closed or restricted yet the public didn't care. Testing the irresponsible is a waste of resources.

Why is common sense such a rarity these days...

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DPsx7 posted...

Things were closed or restricted

No they weren't. Early on there were restrictions on travel from abroad but no where near the necessary precautions, even now.

And there has been state-to-state restrictions put in place, but until very recently much of it was closer to recommendations than actual restrictions ("Please stay home unless absolutely necessary"). Massachusetts only placed restrictions about a week ago closing restaurants and schools, and just today declared all non-essential personnel stay home.

Have any more ignorance you'd like me to correct?

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Really no purpose to testing people unless they're also needing critical care or hospital admission. Prevalence can be estimated from the population of people needing critical care, with no need to test those who are recovering from it fine on their own.

Stay home as much as possible, only venturing out for food/supplies. If you're symptomatic, don't even do that--have a friend or relative drop things off, and have someone checking on you daily if you live alone.

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Far-Queue posted...

No they weren't. Early on there were restrictions on travel from abroad but no where near the necessary precautions, even now.

And there has been state-to-state restrictions put in place, but until very recently much of it was closer to recommendations than actual restrictions ("Please stay home unless absolutely necessary"). Massachusetts only placed restrictions about a week ago closing restaurants and schools, and just today declared all non-essential personnel stay home.

Have any more ignorance you'd like me to correct?

Lol, you're the only one here being corrected. Learn something today, k?

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Clench281 posted...

Really no purpose to testing people unless they're also needing critical care or hospital admission. Prevalence can be estimated from the population of people needing critical care, with no need to test those who are recovering from it fine on their own.

Stay home as much as possible, only venturing out for food/supplies. If you're symptomatic, don't even do that--have a friend or relative drop things off, and have someone checking on you daily if you live alone.

Thank you. This.

Test anyone exhibiting symptoms, especially those who are immunocompromised. And avoid unnecessary travel, shopping, etc.

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DPsx7 posted...

Lol, you're the only one here being corrected. Learn something today, k?

OK. Stay ignorant my friend.

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There is reason to test people who have no symptoms but ONLY if we have enough to test everyone who does.

Testing someone with no symptoms, or mild ones is CRAZY if you ccn't test someone in ICU etc, or a baby who is 1 that has symptoms etc.

That seems to be what is going on.

I get it, test those now without symptoms means once 14 days are up, they can be used as a work force. I see the meaning to it, and it's a good one, but, prevent deaths first, those people are gonna still show they are positive for 14 more freaking days, so for now, test the ones that could die, and later, if you can produce enough tests, start testing everyone so you can basically create an immune work force.

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DPsx7 posted...

papercup posted...

There's no such thing as "too much testing", jfc.

Yes there is. Testing supplies are limited right? Early detection for those at risk is better than using them on the jerks who deserve it by not staying home.

New Jersey is explicitly limiting testing for exactly this reason. They're strongly suggesting that you don't waste everyone's time and resources getting tested unless you've literally been in a high-risk situation, have been actively exposed to someone who had symptoms, or you're starting to exhibit symptoms yourself. Even then, you have to register in advance to apply to be tested if you're under 65 (anyone over 65 can basically just show up at testing locations as a walk-in because they're high-risk).

It's the same reason why people are recommended to stay home unless they absolutely can't - the idea is to "flatten the curve". Reduce active infections at one time to keep hospitals and other facilities from being overwhelmed, especially because there are already medical supply shortages. It's actually a deliberate trade-off - you lengthen the overall time scale of infection to decrease the immediate spike. In theory, if effective medication or vaccines can be created quickly, flattening the curve increases the number of people who will be able to benefit from those things later. You don't want immediate spikes consuming all available resources, and thus run out for more crucial cases in the future.

Everyone rushing to get tested at once even if they have no meaningful reason to do so other than personal fear would cause far more problems than it actually solves.
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DPsx7 posted...

Yes there is. Testing supplies are limited right? Early detection for those at risk is better than using them on the jerks who deserve it by not staying home. Logically they probably wouldn't have caught it otherwise. They're a big reason why it's not contained and growing in the younger age ranges.

A friend of mines wife and daughter had fevers a few days ago and were told they were only testing first responders and critical cases.

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Thanks for that.

Yeah the fact that common things like sore throat are a symptom, I'm certain a lot of people are panicking over it and rushing for testing. Hopefully there's other criteria so they know who actually needs the test. What's more, say you take the test and it's positive. They're only going to suggest the same thing you should have been doing all along - quarantine.

I tell ya, it was nice for 5 minutes to see something non-political being discussed. Now I'm tired of this too.

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DPsx7 posted...

I tell ya, it was nice for 5 minutes to see something non-political being discussed. Now I'm tired of this too.

Must be tiring being wrong and ignorant so much.

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