Current Events > US a superpower? Hah!

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Can't even handle this coronavirus problem well, and can't even take criticism of how it's being handled. It's a joke. What happened?

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IdiotMachine posted...

Can't even handle this coronavirus problem well, and can't even take criticism of how it's being handled. It's a joke. What happened?

To be fair, the entire world is struggling and there are very few countries that handled the crisis well.

I do agree though. If the US invested even a fraction of what they spend producing munitions this entire thing could have been side-stepped, or at the very least handle with more grace.

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Wii_Shaker posted...

To be fair, the entire world is struggling and there are very few countries that handled the crisis well.

As a superpower, we should be head and shoulders above what the rest of the world does.

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IdiotMachine posted...

As a superpower, we should be head and shoulders above what the rest of the world does.

We should, but we aren't(Thanks Trump), however that doesn't mean TC is correct.

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If we had elected hillary coronavirus would be a distant memory by now

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IdiotMachine posted...

As a superpower, we should be head and shoulders above what the rest of the world does.

We're only a superpower because we are the only country in history reckless enough to ever use atomic weapons on our opponents. That's alot of dick swinging for a country that lacks modern healthcare solutions and has a crumbling infrastructure (both physically and apparently politically)

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IdiotMachine posted...

Can't even handle this coronavirus problem well, and can't even take criticism of how it's being handled. It's a joke. What happened?

Kept borrowing money from China and oil from the ME, you know like every other first world country and Russia....then no child left behind and common core and that's how you elect someone like Trump and Modi.

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Wii_Shaker posted...

We're only a superpower because we are the only country in history reckless enough to ever use atomic weapons on our opponents.

How do you figure? We still would have won the war.

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The US only had a headstart over the rest of the world because they didn't see any conflict on the mainland in WW2. They were in a perfect position while the rest of the world was rebuilding

That gap has been narrowing ever since though, so the US can no longer just rest on its laurels
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I guess we should just cover up and lie about it like China.

DarxWingDuck posted...

I guess we should just cover up and lie about it like China.

its easier to just not test for it... which is what we're doing.

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ZeroX91 posted...

Kept borrowing money from China and oil from the ME, you know like every other first world country and Russia....then no child left behind and common core and that's how you elect someone like Trump and Modi.

I'm glad all those kids voted for Trump

DarxWingDuck posted...

I guess we should just cover up and lie about it like China.

So the USA has fallen to the point where as long as they are credible than an authoritarian state, that is good enough?

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DarxWingDuck posted...

I guess we should just cover up and lie about it like China.

LOL, US is literally doing exactly that and they're FAR worse at doing it.

China is trying to help other countries, US is still silencing the truth and robbing other countries of their medical supplies.

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mustachedmystic posted...

How do you figure? We still would have won the war.

Right. The war in the Pacific theater was all but won already. The dropping of nuclear bombs on Japan was a demonstration of the US' ferocity. A display to our would-be enemies of our destructive prowess. Two bombs were deployed, showing the world that the US would not hesitate to initiate multiple nuclear attacks on opposition.

Then the Cold War happened and the Cuban Missile Crisis, forcing the US to form the Nuclear Regulatory Commision, which essentially polices who can have atomic weapons and who can't. That's the leverage and what qualifies the United States as a "superpower".

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MachineJaipur posted...

I'm glad all those kids voted for Trump

Yea a lot of 20 somethings did. Coincidentally they were the first generation affected by Bush's education reform wonder if there is a relation there.

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Wii_Shaker posted...

Right. The war in the Pacific theater was all but won already. The dropping of nuclear bombs on Japan was a demonstration of the US' ferocity. A display to our would-be enemies of our destructive prowess. Two bombs were deployed, showing the world that the US would not hesitate to initiate multiple nuclear attacks on opposition.

Then the Cold War happened and the Cuban Missile Crisis, forcing the US to form the Nuclear Regulatory Commision, which essentially polices who can have atomic weapons and who can't. That's the leverage and what qualifies the United States as a "superpower".

no doubt both bombs are war crimes.

also something that is not brought up much is the fact that the president at the time was a documented racist who saw asians and blacks as lesser beings. US basically commited genocide and continue to skirt around facts.

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So glad the US going through a hard time brings you joy.

What have you done to make the country better?

gamer167 posted...

So glad the US going through a hard time

Self-inflicted by Trump Administration and those who support him.

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As a whole the US isn't doing all that bad. Our numbers are drastically bubbled up by NYC's catastrophic failure to contain it.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

by NYC's catastrophic failure to contain it.

Wrong.

Lack of testing means it's not NYC that's doing it wrong.

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ModLogic posted...

US basically commited genocide and continue to skirt around facts.

Dropping bombs on two cities is not a genocide. Please do not devalue that word.

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Noraneko_Vel posted...

Self-inflicted by Trump Administration and those who support him.

Woah look at the big brain on you.

Good thing I didnt vote for him I guess.

DarxWingDuck posted...

I guess we should just cover up and lie about it like China.

Butthurt Trumper detected!

AmericaTheBrave posted...

Dropping bombs on two cities is not a genocide. Please do not devalue that word.

Splitting hairs. Either way, it wouldn't be the first time the US committed genocide.

The US was essentially doing the same thing to Japanese Americans that the Nazi's in Germany did to the Jews in warsaw camps (and , no, I am not referring to the death camps such as Auschwitz) .

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We're still really good at blowing shit up

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Wii_Shaker posted...

Splitting hairs.

Absolutely not. Stop arguing from emotional hyperbole.

Wii_Shaker posted...

Either way, it wouldn't be the first time the US committed genocide.

Not relevant to any WWII discussion.

Wii_Shaker posted...

The US was essentially doing the same thing to Japanese Americans that the Nazi's in Germany did to the Jews in warsaw camps (and , no, I am not referring to the death camps such as Auschwitz) .

Not the same thing at all. And you can't not refer to Aushwitz when talking about what Nazis did to Jews. That's essentially saying "this tastes like chocolate cake except it's not chocolate or cake."

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The US is a superpower because of it's military.

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AmericaTheBrave posted...

Absolutely not. Stop arguing from emotional hyperbole.

Not relevant to any WWII discussion.

Not the same thing at all. And you can't not refer to Aushwitz when talking about what Nazis did to Jews. That's essentially saying "this tastes like chocolate cake except it's not chocolate or cake."

The US killed over killed between 90,000 and 146,000 people in Hiroshima and 39,000 and 80,000 people in Nagasaki from just two atomic warheads at a time when the war in the East was winding down and war-torn Japan no longer had the resources to continue to fight. By definition that's genocide:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/genocide

Nagasaki and Hiroshima were not military targets so essentially the US murdered thousands of Japanese civilians simply for being Japanese. Interesting article regarding the legitimacy of this:
https://www.fff.org/2016/05/12/arent-hiroshima-nagasaki-war-crimes/

I compared Japanese American internment camps to German internment camps. I made a point specifically that I was not comparing Japanese American internment camps to the conditions found in Auschwitz. However amidst growing paranoia and racism, people of Japanese and Asian decent were still forcibly removed from their homes and relocated to the internment camps against their will in a move so dastardly that the US actually paid reparrations to Japanese families nearly 50 years later.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Japanese-American-internment

WWII was a nasty war on all sides and I'm not taking anything away from those who fought and died. How history is presented would be much different if the Axis of Allies did not defeat the Nazis and the US did not defeat Japan. There's more than just a small amount of revisionist history surrounding the war and it skews blatantly in painting the US in a romantic light. A narrative that the US continues to peddle to this day.

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Wii_Shaker posted...

The US killed over killed between 90,000 and 146,000 people in Hiroshima and 39,000 and 80,000 people in Nagasaki from just two atomic warheads at a time when the war in the East was winding down and war-torn Japan no longer had the resources to continue to fight. By definition that's genocide:

Not entirely sure how we got to this point, but no, it's not genocide. It was an attack as part of a war campaign. Say what you want about morale or fighting capability, Japan was still actively at war with the US when the bombs dropped. You can't hide behind your own weakness if you're still fighting.

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ZeroX91 posted...

Yea a lot of 20 somethings did. Coincidentally they were the first generation affected by Bush's education reform wonder if there is a relation there.

Younger voters overwhelmingly voted for Clinton. Wtf are you on about?

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May I kindly point out that the firebombing of Tokyo killed more people than the nuclear bombs did.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

Not entirely sure how we got to this point, but no, it's not genocide. It was an attack as part of a war campaign. Say what you want about morale or fighting capability, Japan was still actively at war with the US when the bombs dropped. You can't hide behind your own weakness if you're still fighting.

US president nuked people he hated due to their skin color. yea not genocide.

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Wii_Shaker posted...

To be fair, the entire world is struggling and there are very few countries that handled the crisis well.

literally every other country, including literal china, has handled containing and stopping the spread of the virus better than us
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Noraneko_Vel posted...

LOL, US is literally doing exactly that and they're FAR worse at doing it.

China is trying to help other countries, US is still silencing the truth and robbing other countries of their medical supplies.

Boy you've been gobbling up fake news.

China could helped other countries by giving useful information months ago... attempting to help after the fact doesn't get them off the hook.

Resaix posted...

Butthurt Trumper detected!

Dems been perpetually butthurt since 2016, you have no high ground or credibility.

NinjaWarrior455 posted...

Younger voters overwhelmingly voted for Clinton. Wtf are you on about?

Fake news, clearly you believe the notorious hacker collective 4chan's lies

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ModLogic posted...

US president nuked people he hated due to their skin color.

Or because we were at war.

ModLogic posted...

yea not genocide.

Correct.

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how convenient. despite some top brass that advised the nukes didnt need to be dropped. yet the racist president chose to drop em. hmmmm suspect much?

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wow two days in a row CE tries to argue that deliberately killing hundreds of thousands of people wasn't genocide

never change CE
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Wii_Shaker posted...

Right. The war in the Pacific theater was all but won already. The dropping of nuclear bombs on Japan was a demonstration of the US' ferocity. A display to our would-be enemies of our destructive prowess. Two bombs were deployed, showing the world that the US would not hesitate to initiate multiple nuclear attacks on opposition.

This is complete fabrification and propaganda

The US was keen to get Japan to Surrender so the Soviets didn't take it over and get more power

The bombs were dropped out of US interests to weaken the Soviets, not to "show the world" or for any humanitarian reason
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ModLogic posted...

how convenient. despite some top brass that advised the nukes didnt need to be dropped. yet the racist president chose to drop em. hmmmm suspect much?

If it was genocide, it's the world's shittiest genocide if it just stopped at bombing two cities. Not even 0.0034% of the Japanese population.

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I realize how pretentious and obtuse my previous WWII comments are.

It's not the hill I want to die on.

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645AR posted...

wow two days in a row CE tries to argue that deliberately killing hundreds of thousands of people wasn't genocide

never change CE

TIL Japan commited genocide on America when they bombed Pearl Harbor.

Or Al-Qaeda committed genocide when they hit the Twin Towers.

Because genocide just means "killing a lot of people" now I guess.

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AmericaTheBrave posted...

Because genocide just means "killing a lot of people" now I guess.

That is literally what it means:
The deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.

And the definition of large:
Of considerable or relatively great size, extent, or capacity.

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It's the word for attempting to completely wipe out a large group of people, like all Japanese or everything with a specific skin color, isn't it?

I don't think wiping out a city counts.

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AmericaTheBrave posted...

If it was genocide, it's the world's shittiest genocide if it just stopped at bombing two cities. Not even 0.0034% of the Japanese population.

so it's not genocide because he didn't succeed?

gee i wonder what shitty logic this could be compared to
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Let's be honest, the Japanese government would have gladly sacrificed its citizens if it meant drawing out the war and not surrendering

and thousands more American soldiers would have died if we didn't drop the bombs.

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It was either that or carpet bomb Japanese cities.

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