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Solid Snake07 04/07/20 5:45:40 PM #1:	So I've taken the downtime of the quarantine to finally play final fantasy 15. It's......okay? It's not a bad game or anything but it just doesn't feel like final fantasy from my childhood. Like, why scrap turn based battle systems? I'm not saying the atb format doesn't have a place in RPGs, but shouldn't the most notable turn based style jrpg stick with and innovate with that format? I haven't really been a fan of any final fantasy games since X, cause......they dont really feel or play like final fantasy games. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:936965583] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>So I've taken the downtime of the quarantine to finally play final fantasy 15. It's......okay? It's not a bad game or anything but it just doesn't feel like final fantasy from my childhood. Like, why scrap turn based battle systems? I'm not saying the atb format doesn't have a place in RPGs, but shouldn't the most notable turn based style jrpg stick with and innovate with that format? I haven't really been a fan of any final fantasy games since X, cause......they dont really feel or play like final fantasy games. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 04/07/20 5:50:00 PM #2:	Solid Snake07 posted... Like, why scrap turn based battle systems? Because they want it to sell. --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:936965841] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>Like, why scrap turn based battle systems?</quote>Because they want it to sell. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tenlaar 04/07/20 5:50:04 PM #3:	I would argue that the problem isn't Final Fantasy doing new things but you putting your own expectations on what a Final Fantasy game has to be and trying to limit their ability to grow and experiment with new styles of gameplay and ways to tell their stories. <cite>Tenlaar posted [p:936965847] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>I would argue that the problem isn't Final Fantasy doing new things but you putting your own expectations on what a Final Fantasy game has to be and trying to limit their ability to grow and experiment with new styles of gameplay and ways to tell their stories. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 04/07/20 5:50:48 PM #4:	If you want a series that never changes or iterates, that's what we have Dragon Quest for. --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:936965899] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>If you want a series that never changes or iterates, that's what we have Dragon Quest for. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander 04/07/20 5:51:01 PM #5:	DevsBro posted... Because they want it to sell. Final Fantasy 15 didn't sell tho, they cancelled all the DLC --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:936965911] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>DevsBro posted... </cite> <quote>Because they want it to sell.</quote> Final Fantasy 15 didn't sell tho, they cancelled all the DLC </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_Marka_Ragnos_ 04/07/20 5:52:22 PM #6:	I hate linear games, random encounters and turn based combat. FF12 is one of my favorite games of all time. --- My Home Theater: https://imgur.com/a/la41r <cite>_Marka_Ragnos_ posted [p:936966004] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>I hate linear games, random encounters and turn based combat. FF12 is one of my favorite games of all time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 04/07/20 5:52:22 PM #7:	MC_BatCommander posted... Final Fantasy 15 didn't sell tho, they cancelled all the DLC Yep, imagine how bad it would have been if they had made decisions that appealed to gamers 20 years ago in addition to whatever else they did wrong. --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:936966005] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>MC_BatCommander posted... </cite> <quote>Final Fantasy 15 didn't sell tho, they cancelled all the DLC</quote>Yep, imagine how bad it would have been if they had made decisions that appealed to gamers 20 years ago in addition to whatever else they did wrong. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 04/07/20 5:52:36 PM #8:	Tenlaar posted... I would argue that the problem isn't Final Fantasy doing new things but you putting your own expectations on what a Final Fantasy game has to be and trying to limit their ability to grow and experiment with new styles of gameplay and ways to tell their stories. They already have an experimental series. Its called the SaGa series. People liked Final Fantasy how it was <cite>Zikten posted [p:936966026] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>Tenlaar posted... </cite> <quote>I would argue that the problem isn't Final Fantasy doing new things but you putting your own expectations on what a Final Fantasy game has to be and trying to limit their ability to grow and experiment with new styles of gameplay and ways to tell their stories.</quote>They already have an experimental series. Its called the SaGa series. People liked Final Fantasy how it was </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KeeperOfShadows 04/07/20 5:55:59 PM #9:	MC_BatCommander posted... Final Fantasy 15 didn't sell tho, they cancelled all the DLC FF15 did sell, though. It's DLC didn't, mostly because all the hype for the game was already over. --- Currently playing: Dissidia Opera Omnia, Zero no Kiseki <cite>KeeperOfShadows posted [p:936966253] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>MC_BatCommander posted... </cite> <quote>Final Fantasy 15 didn't sell tho, they cancelled all the DLC</quote> FF15 did sell, though. It's DLC didn't, mostly because all the hype for the game was already over. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tenlaar 04/07/20 5:56:32 PM #10:	MC_BatCommander posted... Final Fantasy 15 didn't sell tho FF15 literally made it's development costs back in the first 24 hours. They were hoping for 10 million copies sold and hit like 9 million. Saying that FF15 "didn't sell" is just flat out factually inaccurate. <cite>Tenlaar posted [p:936966287] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>MC_BatCommander posted... </cite> <quote>Final Fantasy 15 didn't sell tho</quote>FF15 literally made it's development costs back in the first 24 hours. They were hoping for 10 million copies sold and hit like 9 million. Saying that FF15 "didn't sell" is just flat out factually inaccurate. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fire_bolt 04/07/20 5:57:43 PM #11:	DevsBro posted... Because they want it to sell. Dragon Quest is the most popular RPG series in Japan, full stop, and is fairly popular everywhere else. EDIT: Pokemon and the various Shin Megami Tensei games (IE Persona) sell very strongly too. Trying to say there's no demand for turn based games is just braindead --- Please, call me Bolt <cite>fire_bolt posted [p:936966365] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>DevsBro posted...</cite> <quote>Because they want it to sell.</quote> Dragon Quest is the most popular RPG series in Japan, full stop, and is fairly popular everywhere else. EDIT: Pokemon and the various Shin Megami Tensei games (IE Persona) sell very strongly too. Trying to say there's no demand for turn based games is just braindead</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smackems 04/07/20 6:01:41 PM #12:	I'm glad they aren't turn based anymore --- Common sense is the most uncommon thing in the world-some dude. <cite>Smackems posted [p:936966620] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>I'm glad they aren't turn based anymore </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 04/07/20 6:01:56 PM #13:	But none of the titles in the last 20 years have outsold ff10. Not that I think that's really a great barometer of quality. 8 sold really well while 9 did so so. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:936966644] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>But none of the titles in the last 20 years have outsold ff10. Not that I think that's really a great barometer of quality. 8 sold really well while 9 did so so. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander 04/07/20 6:06:58 PM #14:	Tenlaar posted... FF15 literally made it's development costs back in the first 24 hours. They were hoping for 10 million copies sold and hit like 9 million. Saying that FF15 "didn't sell" is just flat out factually inaccurate. Well I was definitely wrong about that lol. --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:936966963] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>Tenlaar posted... </cite> <quote>FF15 literally made it's development costs back in the first 24 hours. They were hoping for 10 million copies sold and hit like 9 million. Saying that FF15 "didn't sell" is just flat out factually inaccurate.</quote> Well I was definitely wrong about that lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 04/07/20 6:08:39 PM #15:	Gamer complains that newest game in franchise where every game is different from the previous game is different from the previous game. News at 11. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:936967067] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>Gamer complains that newest game in franchise where every game is different from the previous game is different from the previous game. News at 11. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hayame Zero 04/07/20 6:14:19 PM #17:	Smackems posted... I'm glad they aren't turn based anymore It is hard to get into for me now. I didn't realize until I went back and played them that - even when I was younger and really enjoyed them - I could never play them for an extended period of time because of how repetitive they were. Random encounters are even worse. --- ...I think I'm done here... <cite>Hayame Zero posted [p:936967445] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>Smackems posted... </cite> <quote>I'm glad they aren't turn based anymore</quote>It is hard to get into for me now. I didn't realize until I went back and played them that - even when I was younger and really enjoyed them - I could never play them for an extended period of time because of how repetitive they were. Random encounters are even worse. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Makeveli_lives 04/07/20 6:15:16 PM #18:	Solid Snake07 posted... But none of the titles in the last 20 years have outsold ff10. Not that I think that's really a great barometer of quality. 8 sold really well while 9 did so so. 9 came out after the PS2 did iirc. That's the only reason. --- Switch FC: SW-3917-4425-6106 PSN: PiKappaPhi769 <cite>Makeveli_lives posted [p:936967497] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>Solid Snake07 posted... </cite> <quote>But none of the titles in the last 20 years have outsold ff10. Not that I think that's really a great barometer of quality. 8 sold really well while 9 did so so.</quote>9 came out after the PS2 did iirc. That's the only reason. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I Like Toast 04/07/20 6:16:07 PM #19:	fire_bolt posted... and is fairly popular everywhere else. The best selling dq game sold half of what the "bad selling" ffxv did All of the persona games, combined, have sold about 10 mil total. And no one plays pokemon for the gameplay but for the crack of catching them all --- If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all <cite>I Like Toast posted [p:936967548] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>fire_bolt posted... </cite> <quote>and is fairly popular everywhere else.</quote> The best selling dq game sold half of what the "bad selling" ffxv did All of the persona games, combined, have sold about 10 mil total. And no one plays pokemon for the gameplay but for the crack of catching them all </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Strider102 04/07/20 6:24:23 PM #21:	Final Fantasy stopped being Final Fantasy after the first one. It gave us four nameless empty shells that we the player crafted into whatever role we wanted fulfilled. --- Last Cloudia ID: 188850453 <cite>Strider102 posted [p:936968056] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>Final Fantasy stopped being Final Fantasy after the first one. It gave us four nameless empty shells that we the player crafted into whatever role we wanted fulfilled. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I Like Toast 04/07/20 6:42:12 PM #22:	Conflict posted... Not quite exactly contradicting his point Go back to math class. --- If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all <cite>I Like Toast posted [p:936969101] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>Conflict posted... </cite> <quote> Not quite exactly contradicting his point</quote> Go back to math class. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DevsBro 04/07/20 6:46:53 PM #24:	Conflict posted... Cause we all know just how poorly FF7 sold And hey while we're at it, people from a still a third decade spent millions watching Song of the South --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:936969367] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>Conflict posted... </cite> <quote>Cause we all know just how poorly FF7 sold</quote>And hey while we're at it, people from a still a third decade spent millions watching Song of the South </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Duncanwii 04/07/20 6:47:03 PM #25:	I Like Toast posted... And no one plays pokemon for the gameplay I do. --- Hello, I like video games and comedies. Let's be friends. :) <cite>Duncanwii posted [p:936969379] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>I Like Toast posted... </cite> <quote> And no one plays pokemon for the gameplay</quote>I do. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SpaceBear_ 04/07/20 6:49:13 PM #26:	_Marka_Ragnos_ posted... I hate linear games, random encounters and turn based combat. FF12 is one of my favorite games of all time. I like all those things and FF12 is one of my favourite games of all time. --- - God bless, downtime and TheSlinja. YNWA GameFAQs' Favourite Sons. - Official Barman Of Champion Pub <cite>SpaceBear_ posted [p:936969493] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>_Marka_Ragnos_ posted... </cite> <quote>I hate linear games, random encounters and turn based combat. FF12 is one of my favorite games of all time.</quote> I like all those things and FF12 is one of my favourite games of all time. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zeeak4444 04/07/20 6:55:25 PM #27:	DevsBro posted... Yep, imagine how bad it would have been if they had made decisions that appealed to gamers 20 years ago in addition to whatever else they did wrong. you mean something other than holding Circle with the occasional warp strike thrown in? ya, I imagine it would have actually done well. Instead it alienated a bunch of FF fans while also grabbing very few new comers since the barebones battle system and pathetic excuse of a skill tree did very little to grab attention? --- Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_X <cite>Zeeak4444 posted [p:936969828] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>DevsBro posted... </cite> <quote>Yep, imagine how bad it would have been if they had made decisions that appealed to gamers 20 years ago in addition to whatever else they did wrong.</quote> you mean something other than holding Circle with the occasional warp strike thrown in? ya, I imagine it would have actually done well. Instead it alienated a bunch of FF fans while also grabbing very few new comers since the barebones battle system and pathetic excuse of a skill tree did very little to grab attention? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 04/07/20 6:57:37 PM #28:	I've tried a bunch of FF games and most of them are so hard to play. Like out of all the ATB ones I tried, I was only able to finish 4 and that was mostly because I played it when I was much younger and willing to deal with ATB nonsense. Haven't tried 3 or anything after 10 yet, but out of those I'd say 1, 2 and 10 are the only ones that are actually fun to play. --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:936969981] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>I've tried a bunch of FF games and most of them are so hard to play. Like out of all the ATB ones I tried, I was only able to finish 4 and that was mostly because I played it when I was much younger and willing to deal with ATB nonsense. Haven't tried 3 or anything after 10 yet, but out of those I'd say 1, 2 and 10 are the only ones that are actually fun to play. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_SilverX 04/07/20 7:01:22 PM #29:	DevsBro posted... Because they want it to sell. This. People are bored of that ancient battle system. Glad they went the FFXV route. --- Maketh thy Countries Greateth Again don't compare games to feces -- if you've an opinion worth mentioning, do so civilly <cite>Dark_SilverX posted [p:936970196] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>DevsBro posted... </cite> <quote>Because they want it to sell.</quote>This. People are bored of that ancient battle system. Glad they went the FFXV route. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solid Snake07 04/07/20 7:12:31 PM #31:	Duncanwii posted... I do. Yeah, I did too. I never cared about catching every pokemon, just the ones I wanted and making them unstoppable --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:936970746] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>Duncanwii posted... </cite> <quote>I do.</quote> Yeah, I did too. I never cared about catching every pokemon, just the ones I wanted and making them unstoppable </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
refmon 04/07/20 7:14:25 PM #32:	Dark_SilverX posted... This. People are bored of that ancient battle system. Glad they went the FFXV route. but pokemon still sells billions? --- If you read this signature, then that meant that I had control of what you read for 5 SECONDS!! <cite>refmon posted [p:936970839] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>Dark_SilverX posted... </cite> <quote>This. People are bored of that ancient battle system. Glad they went the FFXV route.</quote>but pokemon still sells billions? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BakonBitz 04/07/20 7:15:33 PM #33:	Honestly I think Square has always wanted an action-style battle system for Final Fantasy. Each game seems to have taken some kind of step toward making the battle system as active as possible. But also they want to experiment and try new things after so many installments in the series since they think it'll stagnate otherwise. But most of those attempts nowadays don't work out so well, unfortunately. --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA <cite>BakonBitz posted [p:936970903] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>Honestly I think Square has always wanted an action-style battle system for Final Fantasy. Each game seems to have taken some kind of step toward making the battle system as active as possible. But also they want to experiment and try new things after so many installments in the series since they think it'll stagnate otherwise. But most of those attempts nowadays don't work out so well, unfortunately. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Snake07 04/07/20 7:18:09 PM #34:	Conflict posted... I find it super funny that people on this board unironically think their personal gaming preferences are universal like I'm sorry to tell y'all but most people aren't as anal about turn-based RPGs and it's really weird that people think mashing A mindlessly is supposed to be that much better and less tedious lol I think it's fine if you enjoy that kind of rpg, for me it just kind of sucks that modern final fantasy games really bear zero resemblance to the games I loved growing up. I loved those games. I dont get people who say they hated random encounters and the turn based system.......so you hated 80% of the games you claim to have liked? And it's not just nostalgia for me, yes those games have aged but I've gone back to play 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10 as an adult. Still great games. --- "People incapable of guilt usually do have a good time" -Detective Rust Cohle <cite>Solid Snake07 posted [p:936971050] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>Conflict posted... </cite> <quote>I find it super funny that people on this board unironically think their personal gaming preferences are universal like I'm sorry to tell y'all but most people aren't as anal about turn-based RPGs and it's really weird that people think mashing A mindlessly is supposed to be that much better and less tedious lol</quote> I think it's fine if you enjoy that kind of rpg, for me it just kind of sucks that modern final fantasy games really bear zero resemblance to the games I loved growing up. I loved those games. I dont get people who say they hated random encounters and the turn based system.......so you hated 80% of the games you claim to have liked? And it's not just nostalgia for me, yes those games have aged but I've gone back to play 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10 as an adult. Still great games. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_SilverX 04/07/20 7:23:52 PM #35:	refmon posted... but pokemon still sells billions? Pokemon is a different breed. --- Maketh thy Countries Greateth Again don't compare games to feces -- if you've an opinion worth mentioning, do so civilly <cite>Dark_SilverX posted [p:936971379] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>refmon posted... </cite> <quote>but pokemon still sells billions?</quote>Pokemon is a different breed. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thanosibe 04/07/20 7:25:05 PM #36:	Conflict posted... I find it super funny that people on this board unironically think their personal gaming preferences are universal like I'm sorry to tell y'all but most people aren't as anal about turn-based RPGs and it's really weird that people think mashing A mindlessly is supposed to be that much better and less tedious lol Tbf almost any discussion of FF turns sour here because both atb fan (pre FFX) and smash em up fans (post FFX) both think their preferences are universal. Then you have those FFT fans. --- I think I need a drink. Almost everybody does only they don't know it. -- Charles Bukowski <cite>thanosibe posted [p:936971439] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>Conflict posted... </cite> <quote>I find it super funny that people on this board unironically think their personal gaming preferences are universal like I'm sorry to tell y'all but most people aren't as anal about turn-based RPGs and it's really weird that people think mashing A mindlessly is supposed to be that much better and less tedious lol</quote>Tbf almost any discussion of FF turns sour here because both atb fan (pre FFX) and smash em up fans (post FFX) both think their preferences are universal. Then you have those FFT fans. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 04/07/20 7:26:46 PM #37:	Ditch Final Fantasy, play Dragon Quest (the superior Square Enix franchise) and Persona <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:936971525] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>Ditch Final Fantasy, play Dragon Quest (the superior Square Enix franchise) and Persona</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
fire_bolt 04/07/20 7:29:12 PM #38:	I Like Toast posted... The best selling dq game sold half of what the "bad selling" ffxv did All of the persona games, combined, have sold about 10 mil total. And no one plays pokemon for the gameplay but for the crack of catching them all Yeah... None of this refutes my point at all, which was that there is still a demand for turn based games. Good try but you get to take an L this time --- Please, call me Bolt <cite>fire_bolt posted [p:936971656] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>I Like Toast posted...</cite> <quote> The best selling dq game sold half of what the "bad selling" ffxv did All of the persona games, combined, have sold about 10 mil total. And no one plays pokemon for the gameplay but for the crack of catching them all </quote> Yeah... None of this refutes my point at all, which was that there is still a demand for turn based games. Good try but you get to take an L this time</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChocoboMog123 04/07/20 7:34:09 PM #39:	XIII had the best battle system, IMO, just takes two-thirds of the game to experience it. 1-3 were truly turn based. 4-9 (and X-2) had ATB. X had an Act List which functioned similar to Tactics. XI had "RTB." XII had gambits and actions similar to XI. XIII had paradigms. XIV is mostly a typical MMO style system. XV is basically an action RPG. The Final Fantasy games have always been messing with the jobs and battle systems. It's no surprise that a new one will be different than old ones. It's somewhat disappointing that they're moving away from classic RPG systems, but the focus has rarely been towards the action. Some spin offs follow the classic ATB system, like FFRK and WoFF. --- "You're sorely underestimating the power of nostalgia goggles." - adjl http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20110218.gif <cite>ChocoboMog123 posted [p:936971926] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>XIII had the best battle system, IMO, just takes two-thirds of the game to experience it. 1-3 were truly turn based. 4-9 (and X-2) had ATB. X had an Act List which functioned similar to Tactics. XI had "RTB." XII had gambits and actions similar to XI. XIII had paradigms. XIV is mostly a typical MMO style system. XV is basically an action RPG. The Final Fantasy games have always been messing with the jobs and battle systems. It's no surprise that a new one will be different than old ones. It's somewhat disappointing that they're moving away from classic RPG systems, but the focus has rarely been towards the action. Some spin offs follow the classic ATB system, like FFRK and WoFF. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
I Like Toast 04/07/20 7:35:40 PM #40:	Conflict posted... I will once you go back to reading class. Once you do, you might notice he never said FF15 sold poorly, that was an entirely different poster that said that If DQ wasn't fairly popular outside of Japan, they wouldn't be going through the effort to localize any of those games like they have been for the past decade and a half. Go back to reading class after you finish math. His post is in response to they wanted the game to sell. It's an advanced concept called conversation flow. I'm sure you'll figure it out by 2030 --- If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all <cite>I Like Toast posted [p:936972017] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>Conflict posted... </cite> <quote>I will once you go back to reading class. Once you do, you might notice he never said FF15 sold poorly, that was an entirely different poster that said that If DQ wasn't fairly popular outside of Japan, they wouldn't be going through the effort to localize any of those games like they have been for the past decade and a half.</quote> Go back to reading class after you finish math. His post is in response to they wanted the game to sell. It's an advanced concept called conversation flow. I'm sure you'll figure it out by 2030 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Leanaunfurled 04/07/20 7:46:11 PM #42:	Each main FF entry has basically been a whole new experimental thing ever since they left the PS1, I don't understand why it's still such a big deal. They've all been really different and personally I've enjoyed playing them all for their own reasons. Not everyone has to, of course, but it's always been baffling to me when the complaints are about them being different at all. <cite>Leanaunfurled posted [p:936972616] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>Each main FF entry has basically been a whole new experimental thing ever since they left the PS1, I don't understand why it's still such a big deal. They've all been really different and personally I've enjoyed playing them all for their own reasons. Not everyone has to, of course, but it's always been baffling to me when the complaints are about them being different at all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vyrulisse 04/07/20 7:47:31 PM #43:	Maybe you'll get your wish if Naoki Yoshida gets to helm the next mainline FF game. He's talked about his ideas and he wants to take it back to a high fantasy setting instead of all the technology sci-fi shit of nowadays. --- https://imgur.com/6VeX04D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0pOIVkGkds <cite>Vyrulisse posted [p:936972699] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>Maybe you'll get your wish if Naoki Yoshida gets to helm the next mainline FF game. He's talked about his ideas and he wants to take it back to a high fantasy setting instead of all the technology sci-fi shit of nowadays. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BakonBitz 04/07/20 7:49:29 PM #44:	Vyrulisse posted... Maybe you'll get your wish if Naoki Yoshida gets to helm the next mainline FF game. He's talked about his ideas and he wants to take it back to a high fantasy setting instead of all the technology sci-fi shit of nowadays. That would be cool, honestly. Nomura needs a filter for his story ideas and he's not getting one. Final Fantasy plots shouldn't end up as convoluted as Kingdom Hearts, IMO. --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA <cite>BakonBitz posted [p:936972809] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>Vyrulisse posted... </cite> <quote>Maybe you'll get your wish if Naoki Yoshida gets to helm the next mainline FF game. He's talked about his ideas and he wants to take it back to a high fantasy setting instead of all the technology sci-fi shit of nowadays.</quote>That would be cool, honestly. Nomura needs a filter for his story ideas and he's not getting one. Final Fantasy plots shouldn't end up as convoluted as Kingdom Hearts, IMO. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 04/07/20 7:50:56 PM #45:	BakonBitz posted... That would be cool, honestly. Nomura needs a filter for his story ideas and he's not getting one. Final Fantasy plots shouldn't end up as convoluted as Kingdom Hearts, IMO. Final Fantasy XIII had one of the most basic plots in franchise history. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:936972898] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>BakonBitz posted... </cite> <quote>That would be cool, honestly. Nomura needs a filter for his story ideas and he's not getting one. Final Fantasy plots shouldn't end up as convoluted as Kingdom Hearts, IMO.</quote> Final Fantasy XIII had one of the most basic plots in franchise history. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leanaunfurled 04/07/20 7:52:20 PM #46:	Tyranthraxus posted... Final Fantasy XIII had one of the most basic plots in franchise history. 90% he's referring to the VII Remake. Which as a Knower of Leaks, it's nothing near convoluted as KH. In part 1, anyway. <cite>Leanaunfurled posted [p:936972982] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>Final Fantasy XIII had one of the most basic plots in franchise history.</quote>90% he's referring to the VII Remake. Which as a Knower of Leaks, it's nothing near convoluted as KH. In part 1, anyway. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MutantJohn 04/07/20 7:52:28 PM #47:	lol I Like Toast is the same as ever FF XV was an okay game, imo as a fan of the FF series. The combat system though, was really nothing to write home about. Very simplistic, magic was essentially useless and I didn't see the point of Noctis having comrades active in battle because the game is centered so much around him. If you want a good ARPG, go play Dark Souls. Otherwise, FF should remain somewhat turn-based like FF XII was. If anything, I just want them to make richer version of gambits but that might because I'm a programmer. --- "Oh, my mother; oh, my friends, ask the angels, will I ever see heaven again?" - Laura Marling <cite>MutantJohn posted [p:936972991] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>lol I Like Toast is the same as ever FF XV was an okay game, imo as a fan of the FF series. The combat system though, was really nothing to write home about. Very simplistic, magic was essentially useless and I didn't see the point of Noctis having comrades active in battle because the game is centered so much around him. If you want a good ARPG, go play Dark Souls. Otherwise, FF should remain somewhat turn-based like FF XII was. If anything, I just want them to make richer version of gambits but that might because I'm a programmer. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FortuneCookie 04/07/20 7:53:19 PM #48:	Just turn it into a first person shooter. --- 2020 going to be a CE kind of year ~ Panthera <cite>FortuneCookie posted [p:936973041] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>Just turn it into a first person shooter. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Reis 04/07/20 7:53:36 PM #49:	Vyrulisse posted... Maybe you'll get your wish if Naoki Yoshida gets to helm the next mainline FF game. He's talked about his ideas and he wants to take it back to a high fantasy setting instead of all the technology sci-fi shit of nowadays. lmao yoshi p is a hack <cite>Reis posted [p:936973052] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>Vyrulisse posted... </cite> <quote>Maybe you'll get your wish if Naoki Yoshida gets to helm the next mainline FF game. He's talked about his ideas and he wants to take it back to a high fantasy setting instead of all the technology sci-fi shit of nowadays.</quote> lmao yoshi p is a hack </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jeff AKA Snoopy 04/07/20 7:53:52 PM #50:	If you want Classic FF just play stuff from the Bravely team. Bravely Default, Bravely Second, Octopath Traveler, and now Bravely Default 2. --- https://imgur.com/GWG5c3r <cite>Jeff AKA Snoopy posted [p:936973070] in I don't ge... [t:78554610]...</cite> <quote>If you want Classic FF just play stuff from the Bravely team. Bravely Default, Bravely Second, Octopath Traveler, and now Bravely Default 2. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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