Poll of the Day > Do you believe that toxic masculinity is a problem?

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EvilMegas posted...

It is a problem.
Constantly having to prove you are the manliest of men is a barbaric trait that at the end of the day gets you nothing.

You can just admit that you're not. That's an option.
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Toxic people are a problem. Not much can be done about that though. Toxic masculinity is just new wave feminist propaganda pushed to emasculate men and propagate the idea that men bad women good. I think the world is in short supply of masculinity and we need to not be teaching our children that masculinity is bad

kind9 posted...

What are examples of toxic masculinity?

A man doing something bad that people then blame on the fact that he's a man.

For a good comparison, read "The Poisonous Mushroom" by Ernst Hiemer

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I never subscribed to that rationale and was always called out for it.

Most of my high school career people thought I was gay when they met me. Then they'd see me with a girl and always look dumbfounded.

The problem is that not only men but women expect you to have all the positive traits of masculinity but none of the negative ones. Its baffling.


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Toxic feminity is a bigger problem, especially to the extent that it promotes toxic masculinity.

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Toxic masculinity isn't a thing, being an asshole doesn't have anything to do with your masculinity/femininity

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Imperfect air is problematic, but if it's only mildly imperfect and not getting worse, would you consider it a toxic air problem? As far as I'm concerned there are cases of people being toxic using their masculine traits, but it's minimal and stagnant so I have a hard time considering "toxic masculinity" as a thing.

Difference between asking whether something would be a problem, or is actively a problem.

I answered the first part with a yes, I did not say anything about its prevalence. Which, now that I am thinking about it, yes, also.
But more in the sense that some parts of society still push the classical roles for the sexes. Whereas I understood and accepted a long time ago that my personality has traditionaly "masculine" and traditionally "feminine" traits, while probably overall leaning slightly more feminine. Which can still be problematic when people cannot accept feminine traits from someone who clearly looks like a man.

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OhhhJa posted...

Toxic masculinity is just new wave feminist propaganda pushed to emasculate men and propagate the idea that men bad women good. I think the world is in short supply of masculinity and we need to not be teaching our children that masculinity is bad

That's exactly the opposite of how adjectives work.

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adjl posted...

That's exactly the opposite of how adjectives work.

Oops I upset the sjw

We're talking about toxic masculinity and yet you said

and we need to not be teaching our children that masculinity is bad

which isn't what we're talking about. Unless you somehow think toxic masculinity is the default, and it isn't.

Nichtcrawler X posted...

I understood and accepted a long time ago that my personality has traditionaly "masculine" and traditionally "feminine" traits, while probably overall leaning slightly more feminine. Which can still be problematic when people cannot accept feminine traits from someone who clearly looks like a man.

What do you consider a masculine or feminine trait? Because I think people confuse gender norms with masculinity and femininity i.e. social vs biological.
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Here is a parallel to another world.

Lets talk the world of animals.

Take a look at the youtube channel Brave Wilderness and its host, Coyote Peterson. He has a genuine love and interest in animals and all creatures both from a love standpoint and a scientific standpoint. He is a good influence in the animal world.

To see the toxic side of the animal world, just watch that Tiger Kings series.

One is good and should be praised, one is terrible and should be shunned.

OhhhJa posted...

Oops I upset the sjw

Is this really the best you can do? Being called out on failing grade 2 English upset you that much?

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It doesn't matter what anyone believes. The truth is that it isn't.

Yeah. Its frustrating af.

DDirtyDastard posted...

It doesn't matter what anyone believes. The truth is that it isn't.

Toxic masculinity, right here.

Yes.

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adjl posted...

Is this really the best you can do? Being called out on failing grade 2 English upset you that much?

Attacking my grammar is all you got? It's even more amusing since the only grammatically incorrect part was obviously intentional

argonautweakend posted...

We're talking about toxic masculinity and yet you said

which isn't what we're talking about. Unless you somehow think toxic masculinity is the default, and it isn't.

It's almost like you only read the part that you quoted

OhhhJa posted...

Attacking my grammar is all you got? It's even more amusing since the only grammatically incorrect part was obviously intentional

In case you've missed adjl posts, being offended and attacking grammar is basically all they're capable of.


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So it's either

"People were prejudiced about me for being feminine, calling me gay, so I'm going to blame manly men being themselves because I didn't like people thinking I'm gay "

or

Something dumb someone did that I'm going to blame on all men, because I like to pretend to be open minded but am really as close minded as a Conservative when my friends are cool with it

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Yellow posted...

"People were prejudiced about me for being feminine, calling me gay, so I'm going to blame manly men being themselves because I didn't like people thinking I'm gay

I don't think you can read.

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Toxic masculinity implies you have a problem with men, not people's attitudes towards men. If you don't like it then stop calling it toxic masculinity. There's nothing masculine about a woman assuming you're gay.

I'm not taking this "umbrella term" crap.

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Toxic masculinity is the negative traits in mens behavior not men in general.

Yellow posted...

There's nothing masculine about a woman assuming you're gay.

Again, you don't know how to comprehend what you read? Cause that was never said.

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EvilMegas posted...

Most of my high school career people thought I was gay when they met me.

EvilMegas posted...

The problem is that not only men but women expect you to have all the positive traits of masculinity

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When did I say it was masculine that women thought I was gay?


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The entire point of my post is the "be as manly as possible at every point you possibly can be " is a huge part of toxic masculinity.


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EvilMegas posted...

The entire point of my post is the "be as manly as possible at every point you possibly can be " is a huge part of toxic masculinity.

yeah that's a good point that you make about it

is toxic masculinity disagreeing with anything a woman says?is it a man not bowing down and admitting women are equal to or better than them?i will say feminism is definitely out of hand,thats the real problem.

Why do so many people vote no?

Men and boys shouldn't be pressured into acting "Manly" by their peers seeing stereotypes in everyone. This is a big problem as people can want to be a jazzy person but toxic masculinity makes them feel pressured into not being who they want to be as they think that they must act like a stereotypical male person: Strong, Tall and Gruff (just a few things people might think they need to be)

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Samon-urai posted...

Why do so many people vote no?

Men and boys shouldn't be pressured into acting "Manly" by their peers seeing stereotypes in everyone. This is a big problem as people can want to be a jazzy person but toxic masculinity makes them feel pressured into not being who they want to be as they think that they must act like a stereotypical male person: Strong, Tall and Gruff (just a few things people might think they need to be)

Because a lot of guys here are already on the kool-aid, or they're ignorant to what the term even means and see it as a personal attack.

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Samon-urai posted...

Why do so many people vote no?

Men and boys shouldn't be pressured into acting "Manly" by their peers seeing stereotypes in everyone. This is a big problem as people can want to be a jazzy person but toxic masculinity makes them feel pressured into not being who they want to be as they think that they must act like a stereotypical male person: Strong, Tall and Gruff (just a few things people might think they need to be)

Because 90% of the people who voted literally don't know what the term means

It's like how if you use the word Cis they go into pasty white hulk rage.

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Blightzkrieg posted...

Because 90% of the people who voted literally don't know what the term means

It's like how if you use the word Cis they go into pasty white hulk rage.

yeah good point, what is cis though?

It's a prefix that means "on the same side", while trans means "on opposite sides".

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OhhhJa posted...

Attacking my grammar is all you got?

When your central point relies on a fundamental misinterpretation of how adjectives work? Attacking your grammar is all I need.

Protip: "Toxic masculinity" doesn't mean that masculinity is inherently toxic any more than "green car" means all cars are inherently green. Adjectives!

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Toxicity in general is a problem. The world would be a much better place if we were all even a little more decent to each other.

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blu posted...

Toxic masculinity, right here.

Bitch think, right here.

Why you even bothering with these chuckle fucks, Stephen?

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Circumcision is an example of toxic masculinity.

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Beveren_Rabbit posted...

Circumcision is an example of toxic masculinity.

This is classic anteater talk

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Pus_N_Pecans posted...

Because a lot of guys here are already on the kool-aid, or they're ignorant to what the term even means and see it as a personal attack.

I think it's funny that YOU talk about us drinking the Kool-Aid despite that "toxic masculinity" is a garbo term made up by useless feminists and simps that are trying to convince themselves that they're not the problem.Funny how society was working fine and it's not until the groups of crazies decided that there was a problem that there actually was one, huh? It's once again feminists making everything about THEM and how much they are victims in everything. It's like when you tell them you're not a feminist and they say: "What?! So you don't believe in equality?!" Yes, which is why I am an egalitarian. Feminism is just feminists wanting shit for themselves because they can't accept that they have the same rights as everyone else. When you're constantly living in priviledge, equality starts to feel like oppresion. The very mantra of modern feminists.

We're simply saying that toxic masculinity is neither as common or as idiotic as people like you are trying to pretend it is. It's once again your crowd being offended about everything. Toxic masculinity is no more acceptable than toxic femininity, wanna know why you always hear about one of those though? Because it's always the same group whining about everything and acting like victims about anything.

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The_tall_midget posted...

I think it's funny that YOU talk about us drinking the Kool-Aid despite that "toxic masculinity" is a garbo term made up by useless feminists and simps that are trying to convince themselves that they're not the problem.Funny how society was working fine and it's not until the groups of crazies decided that there was a problem that there actually was one, huh?

We're simply saying that toxic masculinity is neither as common or as idiotic as people like you are trying to pretend it is. It's once again your crowd being offended about everything.

You sound really offended about this

Maybe you need a safe space

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Clench281 posted...

You sound really offended about this

Maybe you need a safe space

I'll leave that to those always demanding it, like feminists and college students.

Here is the typical insanity we refer to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqIblDLzY_0

Try to guess which side is trying to have an actual conversation and which side is just a nutcase who's making shit up and is incapable of rational thought? Always the same problem...

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adjl posted...

When your central point relies on a fundamental misinterpretation of how adjectives work? Attacking your grammar is all I need.

Protip: "Toxic masculinity" doesn't mean that masculinity is inherently toxic any more than "green car" means all cars are inherently green. Adjectives!

Whatever my dude. Either way, it's a term used by loser men and women that are threatened by masculinity. Why not just use the term asshole?

Also lmao at the concept that 'society was working fine until ppl started complaining'

Just like before ppl started complaining'about being slaves, about not being able to vote, or to marry, right?


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The_tall_midget posted...

I'll leave that to those always demanding it, like feminists and college students.

Sjws thrive on inverting reality

Clench281 posted...

Also lmao at the concept that 'society was working fine until ppl started complaining'

Just like before ppl started complaining'about being slaves, about not being able to vote, or to marry, right?

There is a difference between actual societal problems and problems that exist in your head due to emotional instability and persecution complexes.

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Samon-urai posted...

Why do so many people vote no?

Men and boys shouldn't be pressured into acting "Manly" by their peers seeing stereotypes in everyone. This is a big problem as people can want to be a jazzy person but toxic masculinity makes them feel pressured into not being who they want to be as they think that they must act like a stereotypical male person: Strong, Tall and Gruff (just a few things people might think they need to be)

What's masculine about giving in? Part of masculinity is being able to tell your peers to go fuck themselves and doing what you want anyway. A major male trait is men being able to be extremely blunt with eachother without damaging the relationship. The only toxic part is either being too weak to dissent amongst your peers, or your peers being so desperate for you to play with them that they become violent. That isn't toxic masculinity though, that's poor developmental skills that both men and women should see a psychologist over.

Everybody should be strong, everybody should stand tall and every man should be gruff with eachother because that's what we underatand best socially.
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Do you think gay sons being disowned by their parents and thrown out onto the street is a negative thing? What about them being beat or murdered when it's discovered the son is gay?

Because those happen in part due to parents holding specific views about masculinity, and that a gay son does not confirm to the ideal in their head.

How do you reconcile this? You must either argue it wouldn't be helped by changing views about masculinity (when it certainly would help)... Or, you have to argue it's not a problem. In which case you're just heartless.

So which is it? Wrong or heartless?

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Clench281 posted...

So which is it? Wrong or heartless?

Religious nonsense is nothing to do with masculinity.

Cultures all across the world have accepted men plowing eachothers asses, there's just some groups that refuse to behave themselves and chose an easy target.

That's toxic religion.
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Clench281 posted...

Do you think gay sons being disowned by their parents and thrown out onto the street is a negative thing? What about them being beat or murdered when it's discovered the son is gay?

Because those happen in part due to parents holding specific views about masculinity, and that a gay son does not confirm to the ideal in their head.

That's called bad parenting and has nothing to do with masculinity. Once again, the problem is with certain individuals and not with an idiotic concept you believe is rampant.

How do you reconcile this? You must either argue it wouldn't be helped by changing views about masculinity (when it certainly would help)... Or, you have to argue it's not a problem. In which case you're just heartless.

So which is it? Wrong or heartless?

Oh, a black and white genius, I always love those. How about... you're wrong? Oh god, I know it might be difficult for people like you to accept, but you might be wrong on this. Once again, the problem has nothing to do with toxic masculinity which is concept recently adopted by simps and feminists who are incapable of accepting that men are not the problem. The problem is with individuals, not masculinity, not men--that's in your head.

The reality is that both men and women have things they're good at and things they're bad at. Masculinity AND femininity can both do very horrible things, but you only hear about toxic masculinity... why is that? Is it because it's always the same side who constantly makes shit up for their own benefit despite having the same rights as everyone else? Or is there an actual problem that actually exist? Could it be that certain people have homophobic views and it doesn't have to do with certain males being toxic? Damn, it could be. I guess it's me being crazy for being open minded about things.

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