Board 8 > Percussion Mafia Topic 8 - Day 4 starts here

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Given we just had a survivor flip I think we'll just chalk it up to poor wording though.

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Crescent-Moon posted...

Given we just had a survivor flip I think we'll just chalk it up to poor wording though.

i would hope you wouldn't have otherwise thought that i was a 3rd-party just randomly slipping my perspective there for no reason but ok

I'm sure we can. It's just awkward.

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Dels posted...

i would hope you wouldn't have otherwise thought that i was a 3rd-party just randomly slipping my perspective there for no reason but ok

I don't believe in perspective slips~ Once I was confirmed town in Simpsons, I started making crazy amounts of supposed "perspective slips" because I no longer felt I had to clean up my language. I specifically used the term "Politically Correct Town Syntax".

But if you want the primary argument on Plum, read the start of both day 3 and day 4.

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I don't believe the argument on Plum is very solid.

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Corrik7 posted...

I don't believe the argument on Plum is very solid.

The only reason I'm not deadset on murdering him tomorrow is his claim.

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Also, we were talking about ending the day early-ish, but do we want to change that for now to give Dels time to catch up to the game?

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He can't catch up over a night phase?

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Only reason to not end it early would be to hear from DYL and Mzero who clearly have no intention to do anything.

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Corrik7 posted...

He can't catch up over a night phase?

The thoughts would be more organic if he posted them now as opposed to waiting through a night phase.

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I don't really care. If Dels wants that then sure. But, no point if no one is actually gonna use the time besides stall out the game and enthusiasm.

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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

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Oh okay..

Mzero since you are here what you got

DYL has zero posted, and MZero's only active page is page 5, where he doesn't really do anything and completely blows off Sultan's request.

It's not the best look.

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I say we be nice and give Dels more time.
Cant read a person unless they post a lot after all.
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Crescent-Moon posted...

DYL has zero posted, and MZero's only active page is page 5, where he doesn't really do anything and completely blows off Sultan's request.

It's not the best look.

Unfortunately that is how Mzero plays as scum too.

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I wasn't planning on doing much catch up, don't delay anything for my sake

Hey, sorry for the prolonged absence. Tornado hit my state, just recently regained power. Gonna read over the topic now.

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Yay DYL exists

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Sorry to hear that DYL. Glad you are okay.

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Crescent-Moon posted...

Yay DYL exists

And is okay at that. I hope things stay that way DYL.
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Crescent-Moon posted...

DYL has zero posted, and MZero's only active page is page 5, where he doesn't really do anything and completely blows off Sultan's request.

It's not the best look.

Yeah how rude MZERO!

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So first off, literal SURVIVOR cop. Someone suggested there was an indy role somewhere I believe. Tange certainly didn't trust Scare, perhaps for good reason. Granted I'm surprised Tange wasn't night killed. Someone tldr Crescent's wall for me if she doesn't give an abridged version of her thoughts later on.

Panth claiming Bodyguard after the scan. Not sure if I believe that, both HB and Balla were claiming protection the previous day and he only went on Balla at the end(Granted Balla did something SUPER scummy that it's hard to outright call Panth scum for it). If Panth is really BG then good lord our protection really played poorly with whatever games they were playing.

MZero's bomb... I had a theory either maf or an indy killer placed one down, but with survivor flipping it's not likely we have a second indy. Of course if maf had a second bomb then... why MZero of all people? You'd think they would put it on a stronger player.

If it's based on who votes him then... well that brings up the question of whatever or not Deathproof and Lynchproof(Lea) are both actually in the game.

Crescent-Moon posted...

The problem with Lea's claim is still simple..

You'd think if Lea had a town role that allowed her to post after she died she'd try to get herself shot instead of lynched. Trying to get lynched is anti-town and would mean no one would listen to her after she died anyway.

Yeah this is my issue with Lea. She's been trolly all game, but not in a "Make Scum shoot me" way, just a "I'm going to be useless to town" sort of way. Even if Treestump can't talk if shot at night, a glorified vanilla dying beats potent town power. Two town claims that claim to be immune to death is very unlikely. If Scare didn't flip indy, I'd say Lea was it for sure. Even with the inno scan.

Dels posted...

just to clarify, i do not want to be lynched. ever. because that is against my win condition.

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There's no way there can be two indies in this game right?

All that said

##Vote:Panth

Gonna look back on another day. If this is scum then this turns the day 1 on its head.

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Dark Young Link posted...

MZero's bomb... I had a theory either maf or an indy killer placed one down, but with survivor flipping it's not likely we have a second indy. Of course if maf had a second bomb then... why MZero of all people? You'd think they would put it on a stronger player.

MZero may as well have claimed "bomb defuser" day 1.

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And frankly day 1 was already turned on it's head when Hb flipped scum.. At that point Panthera lost the only defense he had.

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Yeah there's hb as well.

[5] Puns - Chris, Tange, Death, (Hb), (Corrik), (Scare), (Corrik), Hb, Panth
[4] Panth - (Puns), (Puns), (Chris), (Chris), (Scare), Balla, (Sultan), (Lea), (Lea), Puns, Scare, Red

Bold is confirmed scum(Going by flips).

Yep, right near the end on both lynches.

If Panth is scum then he's the stronger power, this makes me like the last minute switches significantly less.

Lea switched off Panth, as did Sultan(Though I don't believe Sultan to be scum).

Who scanned Lea again? I believe Tange scanned Balla with the whistle, which is the only town confirmed cop scan.

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Scare did.

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Of course I wouldn't vote either even after I called Puns one of my 3 scum all day.

Corrik7 posted...

Panth and Puns are both idiotic town that think their role is too important in a mafia mash.

That's my opinion. Kill HB. Who couldn't wait to claim BG last game and now is playing subdued.

So maybe I am not much better.

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Corrik7 posted...

Lea shitclaiming. Puns shitclaiming. Panth shitclaiming. This game ain't fun. It's shit.

Btw if all 3 are scum that would be hilarious.

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Scare isn't town though so I'm not 100% sure all their scans can be trusted. Granted I feel like if he lied, maf wouldn't have killed him. No detection immunity has flipped though.

So why did you splinter off Corrik instead of going for a scum read?

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Dark Young Link posted...

MZero's bomb... I had a theory either maf or an indy killer placed one down, but with survivor flipping it's not likely we have a second indy. Of course if maf had a second bomb then... why MZero of all people? You'd think they would put it on a stronger player.

It makes sense if it's a traditional lynch bomb. I get mislynched a lot and all they'd have to do is avoid hammering, cause town wouldn't know if Corrik hadn't scanned me

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Dark Young Link posted...

Scare isn't town though so I'm not 100% sure all their scans can be trusted. Granted I feel like if he lied, maf wouldn't have killed him. No detection immunity has flipped though.

So why did you splinter off Corrik instead of going for a scum read?

Why would he lie about lea being town if she was scum?

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He tunneled her all day 2

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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Yeah how rude MZERO!

My bad buddy I was working so not paying full attention

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Dark Young Link posted...

Scare isn't town though so I'm not 100% sure all their scans can be trusted. Granted I feel like if he lied, maf wouldn't have killed him. No detection immunity has flipped though.

So why did you splinter off Corrik instead of going for a scum read?

If Scare was giving us bad scans, why does scum kill him?

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Yeah that's true, he seemed to be playing fairly pro town. Scans were Damion and Lea yes?


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Yes and no. Lea wasn't exactly a great scan for someone who was already dead certain she was scum.

I have an inkling Scare was trying to get a scum scan, so he could lie about it, and tip scum off not to kill him.

This leads me to believe his results were accurate.

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Dark Young Link posted...

Scare isn't town though so I'm not 100% sure all their scans can be trusted. Granted I feel like if he lied, maf wouldn't have killed him. No detection immunity has flipped though.

So why did you splinter off Corrik instead of going for a scum read?

Claiming confirmable power.

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Okay. I we sure Uwnim is town?

uwnim posted...

So do any of you who are actually good at this game have any idea what Puns was trying to do? He was doing a pretty good job of making people want to kill him which just seems weird.

First post day 2.

When Sultan says he tracked Uwnim to Tange... He claims motion detector kinda after a little bit. He doesn't include flavor. Not sure if he thought it would damn him or not.

uwnim posted...

Eh, motion detector is weaker and a lot harder to use. Tracker gets back a specific result, while motion detector is just an or gate and will put out a positive result if someone moved or was visited. Without having an idea of how many people can move in this set-up, the only result that feels useful is the no motion one.

Still seems really weird that Sultan tried to track Red and ended up on me. That being a bus driver action doesn't make much sense regardless of the alignment of the bus driver.

@red13n you are claiming to be a flavorcop, why are you using the role the way you are?

Then he posts this. He seems already to know the busdriver isn't likely very quickly. He also seems very intimate with how a motion detector works... When to my knowledge.. I have never seen one prior to like 4 games ago in my entire mafia career... And Uwnim hasn't been around for those recent games... I tagged him in from the CE board from this game.

That may suggest he is actually the role and was familiar with it and didn't fake claim it. But, he could be that actual role and be scum too.

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Crescent-Moon posted...

If Scare was giving us bad scans, why does scum kill him?

They wouldn't. They killed scan for giving good scans and possibly having alrdy scanned their godfather.

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Uwnim being scum is still a potential conspiracy theory, but only if Plum is town.

Hb didn't claim flavor until long after he claimed, I do remember that, but I don't think it means much in that regard.

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To be fair though, bus driving Red and Uwnim night 1 is an action that doesn't seem to make any sense at all.

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Crescent-Moon posted...

Uwnim being scum is still a potential conspiracy theory, but only if Plum is town.

Hb didn't claim flavor until long after he claimed, I do remember that, but I don't think it means much in that regard.

I'm not sure it is a conspiracy theory.

Look... Uwnim claims motion detector and is met with crickets from a counter claim... Which we now know was legit crickets as 5tar posted not at all day 2. Cuz he was afk. Which got him replaced with Plum. But he was scanned wind chimes night 1 which fits with the role.

So, Uwnim goes uncountered day 2.

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Corrik7 posted...

That may suggest he is actually the role and was familiar with it and didn't fake claim it. But, he could be that actual role and be scum too.

This part doesn't matter so much though. If Uwnim is scum Puns is the one feeding him motion detector as a claim.

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Now. Plum claims to scan Lea night 2.

Which is CONFIRMED by Sultan. (btw Sultan is likely town he was confused as fuck by the redirect).

Plum also correct asserts motion. Which is confirmed by INDY scare who is now confirmed cop and not scum.

Plum being scum is way less likelier than Uwnim


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Corrik7 posted...

I'm not sure it is a conspiracy theory.

Look... Uwnim claims motion detector and is met with crickets from a counter claim... Which we now know was legit crickets as 5tar posted not at all day 2. Cuz he was afk. Which got him replaced with Plum. But he was scanned wind chimes night 1 which fits with the role.

So, Uwnim goes uncountered day 2.

Scum redirecting tracker to Uwnim to make sure Uwnim gets seen moving to Tange and having motion detector of all things be the claim, aka the thing that buried Puns, is pretty conspiracy theoryish.

I mean, it's possible. Uwnim has been active, but fairly unremarkable.

However, Uwnim claimed no motion on DYL to start the day on day 3. This had even more backfire potential than Plum's claim that Lea did have motion.

So yes, for either of them to be scum means they probably are the role they claimed.

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What role does Plum do that goes to Lea if he is scum?

HB was jack. Panth was Possessor. What could Plum do to Lea that also correct guessed Lea had activity. Cuz if no one claims activity to Lea, Lea is boned there. Scum never claims this. Indy does. He can't account for that.

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I could see puns telling a team mate to claim that beacuse we wouldnt believe puns doing that two games in a row

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The Uwnim stuff does bog down with why would scum redirect to their own people.

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Corrik7 posted...

What role does Plum do that goes to Lea if he is scum?

HB was jack. Panth was Possessor. What could Plum do to Lea that also correct guessed Lea had activity. Cuz if no one claims activity to Lea, Lea is boned there. Scum never claims this. Indy does. He can't account for that.

The same logic holds for Uwnim on day 3 though. Uwnim claimed his scan right away. DYL could easily have been targeted by someone else, and Uwnim dies immediately if he is.

It's even more likely he's motion detector than Plum is, and they're probably both motion detector.

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Can we hammer? If we do it now we can luckily start tomorrow at 9pm tomm.

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Corrik, even if you don't trust me being town, me being a motion detector is the most reasonable thing. Like crescent mentioned, I was way too reckless with the way I announced some of my results if I was faking. I'd either have to be motion detector, or be watcher if I was faking it, and using watcher that way is just a terrible use of the role, so me being motion detector is the most likely thing.

Anyways, I kind of love it that the big reason you think I could be scum is because I came to rather reasonable conclusions about some things way too quickly.

Motion detector really hasn't been used until recently? I feel like I remember it being used, or at the very least talked about back when I played along with a few other motion sensing roles that aren't tracker and watcher.

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