Poll of the Day > I'm playing Dark Souls seriously for the first time.

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Kyuubi4269
04/30/20 11:45:26 AM
#102:


YoukaiSlayer posted...
I could force them to play correctly at gunpoint and they'd win. They only phrase it that way to protect their egos.

Playing in a way that hurts their ego isn't fun, so it's impossible to do it fun. You're phrasing it differently to assault their character.

YoukaiSlayer posted...
Most people saying it's impossible for them really think that there is no way they could win trying their absolute best to play correctly no matter how many times they try. It's ludicrous.

Yes, taking emotive speech literally is ludicrous. You can find consistency when you don't make unnecessary assumptions.

YoukaiSlayer posted...
These games are designed for everyone to be able to win as long as they keep at it.

It's not though. It sold on the basis of telling people they won't.
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DesertPenguin09
04/30/20 12:04:09 PM
#103:


Kyuubi4269 posted...


It's not though. It sold on the basis of telling people they won't.
That was a single ad campaign for DS2 and it's been widely debunked as an inaccurate representation of the series by anyone that's actually taken the time to play even just an hour of one of these games.

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YoukaiSlayer
04/30/20 12:34:14 PM
#104:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
It's not though. It sold on the basis of telling people they won't.
They are made that way, the marketing is irrelevant.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
Playing in a way that hurts their ego isn't fun, so it's impossible to do it fun. You're phrasing it differently to assault their character.
Too bad they didn't say impossible to do it fun, they just said impossible.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
Yes, taking emotive speech literally is ludicrous. You can find consistency when you don't make unnecessary assumptions.
I've been in plenty of discussions with people that truly genuinely believe they as people are physically incapable of beating nioh, sekiro and/or dark souls. Not because it wouldn't be fun but because they have fundamental misunderstandings about what is required to beat these games. They all tend to think it requires god like reflexes and precision, which they don't. I've had so many people tall me it's impossible to beat the abyss in Nioh without cheesing it and then you show them a video of someone doing it and they say those people are just inhumanly good at games instead of realizing that just maybe it's they themself that don't understand what needs to be done in order to win. It's so frustrating because this kind of mentality leads to devs nerfing shit and making sequels easier.

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Kyuubi4269
04/30/20 3:24:43 PM
#105:


DesertPenguin09 posted...
That was a single ad campaign for DS2

You do remember Demon's Souls, right?

YoukaiSlayer posted...
Too bad they didn't say impossible to do it fun, they just said impossible.

Because the assumption is that games are played for fun. Imagine you can win a difficult war only by sacrificing all your soldiers; any normal person in that situation would say it's impossible to win because the requirements are not acceptable. This is identical to that.

YoukaiSlayer posted...
It's so frustrating because this kind of mentality leads to devs nerfing shit and making sequels easier.

Good? If people can't playthrough the game while having fun then it has limited appeal.
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DesertPenguin09
04/30/20 3:27:22 PM
#106:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
You do remember Demon's Souls, right?
Aren't you referring to the ads with the old ladies saying you'll die again and again, laughing maniacally? I wasn't around for Demon's Souls' ad campaign so I'm not sure what it had. DS1 wasn't like that though.

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Kyuubi4269
04/30/20 3:29:22 PM
#107:


DesertPenguin09 posted...

Aren't you referring to the ads with the old ladies saying you'll die again and again, laughing maniacally? I wasn't around for Demon's Souls' ad campaign so I'm not sure what it had. DS1 wasn't like that though.

Dark Souls was built off the reputation of Demon's Souls and as you said, DS2 ad campaign worked to reassert that claim. The Souls franchise all works on the same premise.
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Veedrock-
04/30/20 3:30:15 PM
#108:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
Imagine you can win a difficult war only by sacrificing all your soldiers; any normal person in that situation would say it's impossible to win because the requirements are not acceptable. This is identical to that.
You would be the type to claim you got PTSD from a video game.

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Kyuubi4269
04/30/20 3:34:25 PM
#109:


Veedrock- posted...

You would be the type to claim you got PTSD from a video game.

You would be the one to make a tangential argument out your ass.
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DirtBasedSoap
04/30/20 3:37:20 PM
#110:


my +10 zweihander is wrecking EVERYTHING

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AnnoyedCops
04/30/20 4:51:51 PM
#111:


DirtBasedSoap posted...
my +10 zweihander is wrecking EVERYTHING

Noice, are you still in Anor Londo?

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DirtBasedSoap
04/30/20 4:53:26 PM
#112:


AnnoyedCops posted...
Noice, are you still in Anor Londo?
nope, just got the ability to warp. I ran to the down to the darkroot basin and killed that butterfly thing. the easiest fucking boss by a country mile

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AnnoyedCops
04/30/20 4:55:43 PM
#113:


Did you summon anybody for Ornstein and Smough?

Yeah Moonlight Butterfly is pretty easy. You can fight it as soon as you get to the Undead Parish so it can be an early game boss

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DirtBasedSoap
04/30/20 4:56:16 PM
#114:


AnnoyedCops posted...
Did you summon anybody for Ornstein and Smough?
yeah, after I got my ass handed to me 10 times in a row

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adjl
04/30/20 4:57:33 PM
#115:


To date, I've yet to summon anyone for O&S, purely as a matter of pride. They even ended up stonewalling me on my SL1 run to the point where I drifted away from it, but I did not use summons.

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AnnoyedCops
04/30/20 6:09:16 PM
#116:


I've only beaten O&S by myself a few times ever and that's with beating the game many many times

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YoukaiSlayer
05/01/20 2:39:45 AM
#117:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
Because the assumption is that games are played for fun. Imagine you can win a difficult war only by sacrificing all your soldiers; any normal person in that situation would say it's impossible to win because the requirements are not acceptable. This is identical to that.
They would not say that, they would say it's too costly. They would be misspeaking otherwise. Being unacceptable is not equivalent to being impossible.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
Good? If people can't playthrough the game while having fun then it has limited appeal.
Limited appeal TO THEM. What about the appeal for me? Regardless, it incentivizes me to convince people of the truth, that they can in fact win, and that most of them will be glad they stuck with it and triumphed.

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Kyuubi4269
05/01/20 3:06:24 AM
#118:


YoukaiSlayer posted...
They would not say that, they would say it's too costly. They would be misspeaking otherwise. Being unacceptable is not equivalent to being impossible.

Let me put it this way:

"PEOPLE DO NOT COMMUNICATE IN PERFECTLY CLEAR ENGLISH AT ALL TIMES, HUMANS RELY ON CONTEXT ANY NORMAL HUMAN CAN ASSUME."

I hope that's clear.

YoukaiSlayer posted...
Limited appeal TO THEM. What about the appeal for me? Regardless, it incentivizes me to convince people of the truth, that they can in fact win, and that most of them will be glad they stuck with it and triumphed.

Limited appeal overall, it is limited to you. Regardless, I'm sure you've lost friends by forcing the matter.
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YoukaiSlayer
05/01/20 5:42:07 AM
#119:


If you speak wrong, I'm gonna call it out. Saying "this is impossible" does not contain any other context. If they had just been talking about how they can't find a way to have fun, then maybe you'd have a point, but they don't. And again, most people saying this aren't implying what you are saying, they are literally saying they think it is impossible and cannot be done by a normal human and they are factually incorrect.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
Limited appeal overall, it is limited to you. Regardless, I'm sure you've lost friends by forcing the matter.
Definitely haven't.

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Joshs Name
05/01/20 5:49:11 AM
#120:


SL1 NG+5+ coop O&S is some of my top fun/favourite memories of video games of all time.

Such desperation, such clutch.

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DirtBasedSoap
05/04/20 9:33:45 PM
#121:


is +10 the highest I can level something?

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deoxxys
05/04/20 11:44:43 PM
#122:


DirtBasedSoap posted...
is +10 the highest I can level something?
I think unless you can turn it into a boss weapon

You kind of need to check on of the wikis

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I_Always_Die
05/06/20 5:58:55 PM
#123:


Op here, if I dont finish this game tonight, I probably never will. Not gonna be home for a while and this isnt the kind of game I could take a long break from and still remember what Im doing lol

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Kyuubi4269
05/06/20 8:19:04 PM
#124:


+15 is max level for normal weapons, +10 is max for uniques.
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I_Always_Die
05/06/20 9:58:04 PM
#125:


oh shit, how the fuck do I level my zweihander to +15?

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Kyuubi4269
05/06/20 10:07:57 PM
#126:


Titanite chunks, might need to go to Anor Londo giant smith. Slab is required for +15.
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GenericGuy
05/07/20 5:18:19 AM
#127:


Kyuubi4269 posted...
Titanite chunks, might need to go to Anor Londo giant smith. Slab is required for +15.
Need the ember from New Londo tho

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Kyuubi4269
05/07/20 9:09:54 AM
#128:


GenericGuy posted...

Need the ember from New Londo tho

+1
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FatalAccident
05/07/20 9:10:31 AM
#129:


y do u play games that are trash

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GenericGuy
05/07/20 9:24:27 AM
#130:


FatalAccident posted...
y do u play games that are trash
Did you get your spreadsheet working?

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FatalAccident
05/07/20 9:33:47 AM
#131:


GenericGuy posted...
Did you get your spreadsheet working?
Nah lol

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Joshs Name
05/08/20 5:12:13 AM
#132:


i'm thinking this thread has made me want to buy dark souls for the third time on the switch. goodness

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GenericGuy
05/08/20 9:00:25 AM
#133:


Joshs Name posted...
i'm thinking this thread has made me want to buy dark souls for the third time on the switch. goodness
do it you can play dark souls while having a dump

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Sarcasthma
05/08/20 9:06:29 AM
#134:


GenericGuy posted...
do it you can play dark souls while having a dump
You always could, technically.

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GenericGuy
05/08/20 9:22:54 AM
#135:


Sarcasthma posted...
You always could, technically.
oh yes let me hook my playstation and my tv into the bathroom real quick

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Far-Queue
05/08/20 9:31:45 AM
#136:


lmao it's 2020 how are there still people who don't have TVs in their bathroom?

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Sarcasthma
05/08/20 9:39:12 AM
#137:


GenericGuy posted...
oh yes let me hook my playstation and my tv into the bathroom real quick
No, I mean you've always been able to shit your pants while playing Dark Souls.

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DirtBasedSoap
05/08/20 12:17:17 PM
#138:


Joshs Name posted...
i'm thinking this thread has made me want to buy dark souls for the third time on the switch. goodness
I wish I bought it for the switch instead of PS4 but then again playing this game with joycons sounds awful

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GenericGuy
05/08/20 2:27:42 PM
#139:


DirtBasedSoap posted...
I wish I bought it for the switch instead of PS4 but then again playing this game with joycons sounds awful
Pro Controller.

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DirtBasedSoap
05/08/20 3:56:38 PM
#140:


GenericGuy posted...
Pro Controller.
im out of town for a couple weeks. joycons are all I can use right now.

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