Poll of the Day > Lets say IF Covid-19 was made in a lab..

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what do you think would happen?

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Literally nothing

Nothing.

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Realistically nothing from most of the world.

The United States might have a more forceful response though because trump.

thats one thing I would support him on

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Made by who and can it be definitively proven to the world at large?

Because even if it was made in a lab, if nobody can prove it without a shred of doubt to the world, it's meaningless.

Let's say hypothetically, it really was made in a lab in China.

If it was, China has covered it up, and will deny any accusations. They already kicked out all foreign journalists and completely control their own media.

So the situation is exactly the same whether it was made in a lab or not.

Even if you could, hypothetically, prove without a shred of a doubt to everyone in the world that the virus was made in a lab in China, at the order of the government even, the likelihood is still nothing would change. China would still deny it. China as a world power and financial juggernaut is not beneficial for any politician or corporation (who fund the politicians) to move or speak against. Trump complain about it, that's pretty much all that would happen.
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It probably wouldnt be nearly as contagious

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ForteEXE3850 posted...

Because even if it was made in a lab, if nobody can prove it without a shred of doubt to the world, it's meaningless.

Not having a shred of proof doesn't stop some people from being totally convinced that it's a fact. It's the predictable "If I can imagine it, then that makes it true" crowd.

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Our opinion of China (ie the CCP) will plummet to new levels of low, though I guess at some point if the opinion is so low, any magnitude lower is effectively the same

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The illuminati are hiding the cure.

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You mean if it was made in a lab or whether people knew it was made in a lab? Because technically speaking, it *could* have been made in a lab for all we know. After that, it depends on whose lab. Are we talking a Chinese lab? Was it an American lab where US soldiers smuggled it into China? Unless a cure was made at the same time, I'm not sure how much difference it might make in terms of actually dealing with the problem, that would just help finger-pointing later.

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Trump wouldn't do anything. He loves China now.

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Man, imagine if the news leaked out that China had a research program into biological or chemical warfare. There'd be an ethical uproar from the countries who already have their own competitor programs.

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Just to be clear, is the hypothetical whether CoViD-19 was made in a lab, or actually whether SARS-CoV-2 was made in a lab?

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Firewerx posted...

Man, imagine if the news leaked out that China had a research program into biological or chemical warfare. There'd be an ethical uproar from the countries who already have their own competitor programs.

Probably where all of those missing Chinese dissidents have been going, tbh.

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gguirao posted...

Trump wouldn't do anything. He loves China now.

Lol what?

Nichtcrawler X posted...

Just to be clear, is the hypothetical whether CoViD-19 was made in a lab, or actually whether SARS-CoV-2 was made in a lab?

How do you invent a collection of symptoms?
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

How do you invent a collection of symptoms?

Probably one symptom at a time?

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If it was made in a lab for warfare then it would be killing much more then around a 5% death rate. The people responsible would have done a crap job of it. (A good rate for a warfare agent being 25 to 75%. With the country responsible having developed and administered a vaccine before deploying it.)

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ForteEXE3850 posted...

Made by who and can it be definitively proven to the world at large?

Presumably made by the lab near Wuhan where conspiracy theorists already think the virus was engineered in some way, based on apparent reports from two years ago mentioning that China was researching bat-flavored coronaviruses in a lab near Wuhan.
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Playsaver posted...

If it was made in a lab for warfare then it would be killing much more then around a 5% death rate. The people responsible would have done a crap job of it. (A good rate for a warfare agent being 25 to 75%. With the country responsible having developed and administered a vaccine before deploying it.)

Few problems with that assessment: First, a traditional warfare agent doesn't have this kind of spread. Any country would be absurdly happy to get this level of contagion with a warfare agent. Second, it presupposes that the release was deliberate when -- if it was manufactured by China -- it almost certainly wouldn't have been. Therefore it could be in its early stages rather than the intended final product. Third, it would provide an additional compelling motive for China's attempted cover-up where the CCP arrested doctors, repeatedly made false claims, etc.

Hypothetically speaking, there's no reason why it couldn't have been man-made.

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Zeus posted...

Hypothetically speaking, there's no reason why it couldn't have been man-made.

There isn't, but people keep interpreting the possibility of something as the certainty of something. Unsubstantiated rumour rapidly mutates, virus-like, into unassailable "fact". You can squeeze could-haves and what-ifs to fit any conspiracy theory.

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Firewerx posted...

There isn't, but people keep interpreting the possibility of something as the certainty of something. Unsubstantiated rumour rapidly mutates, virus-like, into unassailable "fact". You can squeeze could-haves and what-ifs to fit any conspiracy theory.

Sure, there's zero evidence that it was man-made and Chinese wetmarkets offer a plausible alternate explanation. That said, it isn't as easily debunked as countless other conspiracy theories like 9/11 trutherism.

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If the intent was malicious then war. If not then idk, probably some kind of political repercussion.

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Firewerx posted...

There isn't, but people keep interpreting the possibility of something as the certainty of something. Unsubstantiated rumour rapidly mutates, virus-like, into unassailable "fact". You can squeeze could-haves and what-ifs to fit any conspiracy theory.

Just as people interpret the possibility of transmission coming from a wetmarket Pangolin as certain. It's a complete unknown, but people seem to want to leave it as China did no wrong (except everything they definitely did do).

Ignoring the possibility is stupid given as China has been grossly negligent so it would be handy if evidence came out for good reason to block all trade with China and collapse it with a world trade war.
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I don't think the virus was man-made but I do think it originated in a lab. They were experimenting with it for virology purposes and research since Corona viruses come up all the time in China. It got out and they covered it up.

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Playsaver posted...

If it was made in a lab for warfare then it would be killing much more then around a 5% death rate. The people responsible would have done a crap job of it. (A good rate for a warfare agent being 25 to 75%. With the country responsible having developed and administered a vaccine before deploying it.)

This is simply not necessarily true. This virus is going to wreck the economy for at least a decade. Some economists are saying we may see the collapse of the US dollar but at the very least probably hyper inflation

OhhhJa posted...

Some economists are saying we may see the collapse of the US dollar but at the very least probably hyper inflation

Some economists work for Alex Jones.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Ignoring the possibility is stupid given as China has been grossly negligent so it would be handy if evidence came out for good reason to block all trade with China and collapse it with a world trade war.

Indeed. Clearly, it would be just as stupid to ignore the possibility that conspiracy theories about the man-made origin of Covid-19 are being circulated deliberately for that very purpose: inventing a convenient pretext for such a trade war.

See how cui bono? arguments can be made to support any conspiracy theory?

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Theyd have to find whether or not it was used as a weapon or whether it got out on accident... but those accidents dont ever happen.

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zebatov posted...

Theyd have to find whether or not it was used as a weapon or whether it got out on accident... but those accidents dont ever happen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster
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Firewerx posted...

Believing that the virus is a naturally occurring zoonotic is no way exculpates China for permitting poor health standards at wetmarkets, or for downplaying its own negligence.

Except it pretty much does, since this guarantees it'll be swept under the rug until the next Chinese-related pandemic starts

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