Poll of the Day > Can anyone versed in Zelda lore clarify something for me? *spoilers*

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Why are there so few Gorons in Wind Waker? Did most of them drown in the Great Flood, or something? Why did those who remained desert Dragon Roost Island?

I must have these answers.
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Harder to find good or many rocks to eat, so there was massive civil war to cull their population.

Phantom Hourglass has several gorons so I guess they just wanted a new place to call home.

JoeDangIt posted...

has several gorons

JoeDangIt posted...

wanted a new place to call home

Huh, I had forgotten about that game.
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There isn't a consistent timeline

There is one now, but it was an afterthought.

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Yellow posted...

There isn't a consistent timeline

For the point of the question, it was consistent enough.

Windwaker describes a sudden, massive flood, taking place between it and the Adult Time-Line ending of OoT.

What would happen to a very heavy species that cannot swim, that is reliant on rocks for sustenance, when suddenly the sea levels greatly rise without warning?

Sure, I do not think the games ever explicetly state it, but obviously many drowned in the original flood and probably a whole lot more starved during the time where they tried to find a new home.

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The Gorons inhabit Death Mountain in that timeline, but the ground under Death Mountain is not part of the Windwaker map... based on the position of [Area] then Death mountain would be 2~5 ish tiles off the map

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According to Twilight Princess, Gorons apparently don't need to breathe so they might just be hanging out underwater happily going about their business.


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T0ffee posted...

According to Twilight Princess, Gorons apparently don't need to breathe so they might just be hanging out underwater happily going about their business.

No dodongos, no bomb fruit weeds, no giant lava dragons, and no 12 year olds breaking into there homes stealing food and money.

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T0ffee posted...

According to Twilight Princess, Gorons apparently don't need to breathe so they might just be hanging out underwater happily going about their business.

That would be fine, except the water is still poisonous, right? So, maybe underground instead...
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Yellow posted...

There isn't a consistent timeline

There is one now, but it was an afterthought.

>OoT timeline is shown at the very start of WW

ok

because the feminist gorons metoo'd the male gorons

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ScritchOwl posted...

No dodongos, no bomb fruit weeds, no giant lava dragons, and no 12 year olds breaking into there homes stealing food and money.

those pots aren't going to break themselves
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Smarkil posted...

because the feminist gorons metoo'd the male gorons

Gorons do not have sexes. Gender-wise they identify themselves as male, which is respected and observed by the other races, except the Gerudo for some reason.

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VioletMassacre posted...

"The Great Sea in The Wind Waker is an illusory ocean created by a torrential downpour from the heavens. Its ethereal "water" is unlike the water natural to Hyrule, and so only monsters and Fishmen are able to live there."

Right. So, the Gorons probably aren't down there...
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EclairReturns posted...

Why are there so few Gorons in Wind Waker? Did most of them drown in the Great Flood, or something? Why did those who remained desert Dragon Roost Island?

I must have these answers.

Dragon Roost Island is not Death Mountain for starters. Apparently it's Zora's Domain. IIRC the 'actual' Death Mountain is that volcano where you got the iron boots though that may not be true and I don't remember where I heard that from. Anyways, Goron's survivability isn't really dealt with. Most likely they either evacuated due to travel across the ocean being very impractical for a stone monster meaning the great ocean was just a terrible place for them or they mostly died out and/or went underground for the same reasons. No matter the reason their traveling across the ocean surface would be exceedingly difficult due to their immense weight/density so they wouldn't be all that common up top.

It's also possible that they're simply stuck down in old Hyrule and frozen in time down there and the ones we see were the lucky ones who were away at the time.

However, the real 'most likely' answer is that the Gorons were planned to inhabit one of the two cut dungeons. Had said dungeon not been cut we likely would have seen a volcanic island full of gorons or their descendants. When said dungeon got cut, however, the majority of gorons went with them and the few we see in the overworld are simply the ones that remain. This is especially true since evidence points to the Goron Mines in TP being one of the two cut dungeons.

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Or, as I said, Hyrule is huge and the events of the game only contain a small section of the map

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@Unbridled9 yeah your probably right. We never want a sea goron call link t a corner and ask if he can identify a barnacle wart

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Lokarin posted...

Or, as I said, Hyrule is huge and the events of the game only contain a small section of the map

Idk. When you go off one side of the map, you pac-man to the other side.
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LinkPizza posted...

Idk. When you go off one side of the map, you pac-man to the other side.

Are you sure? You might in the HD Remake, but I think the game just stops you in the original

Can't remember

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Lokarin posted...

Are you sure? You might in the HD Remake, but I think the game just stops you in the original

Pretty sure. But it has been a while since I played the original. But I think you do...
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EclairReturns posted...

Why are there so few Gorons in Wind Waker? Did most of them drown in the Great Flood, or something? Why did those who remained desert Dragon Roost Island?

I must have these answers.

The game itself doesn't offer a explanation.

The Gorons that exist are basically easter eggs.

According to "the word of god" the Zora, an aquatic species, somehow were forced to evolve into bird creatures, the Rito after the great flood.

So you can't really take how species survival works seriously in Zelda.
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LinkPizza posted...

Pretty sure. But it has been a while since I played the original. But I think you do...

Doesn't really matter. We know from PH and ST that lands exist beyond the map. If there is a lore answer it's probably just... magic. Plain and simple.

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Unbridled9 posted...

If there is a lore answer it's probably just... magic. Plain and simple.

Or shitty navigation. Or them not knowing where to go to next with the series. Since the timeline was basically an after-thought only because the fan wanted it and they would get it one way or the other...
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Real answer: the game developers probably just kinda forgot, didn't care, or ran out of time (it's known that TWW was rushed a lot was cut from it).

Trying to lore it out doesn't make it much better. Sure, a massive, cataclysmic flood that turns the entire world into 95% ocean isn't great for a heavy, arid-based species that eats rocks. But you know what else a cataclysmic flood isn't good for? Virtually everything else. Since the Gorons live on Death Mountain/mountaisn in general, they actually should have had the easiest time surviving, since their territory would be the least affected by an ocean flood, due to elevation. This could be why that the few we see look to have not evolved at all, actually.

Strangely, the Zora should have thrived, but instead evolved into birds. I guess this could be because Zoras mostly live in shallow, fresh-water lake/river systems, and a (probable) salt-water, deep ocean environment would be death to them, and they would have nowhere else to go to, unlike the other species. And fuck knows what sense it makes for the Kokiri to "evolve" into Koroks.

Basically, it's best not to think too much on it.

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LinkPizza posted...

Pretty sure. But it has been a while since I played the original. But I think you do...

Yeah in the original you're told it's too dangerous to go further or something like that and U-turns you out of there.
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Unbridled9 posted...

Dragon Roost Island is not Death Mountain for starters. Apparently it's Zora's Domain. IIRC the 'actual' Death Mountain is that volcano where you got the iron boots though that may not be true and I don't remember where I heard that from. Anyways, Goron's survivability isn't really dealt with. Most likely they either evacuated due to travel across the ocean being very impractical for a stone monster meaning the great ocean was just a terrible place for them or they mostly died out and/or went underground for the same reasons. No matter the reason their traveling across the ocean surface would be exceedingly difficult due to their immense weight/density so they wouldn't be all that common up top.

It's also possible that they're simply stuck down in old Hyrule and frozen in time down there and the ones we see were the lucky ones who were away at the time.

However, the real 'most likely' answer is that the Gorons were planned to inhabit one of the two cut dungeons. Had said dungeon not been cut we likely would have seen a volcanic island full of gorons or their descendants. When said dungeon got cut, however, the majority of gorons went with them and the few we see in the overworld are simply the ones that remain. This is especially true since evidence points to the Goron Mines in TP being one of the two cut dungeons.

They should remake it and add those dungeons.
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CyborgSage00x0 posted...

Strangely, the Zora should have thrived, but instead evolved into birds. I guess this could be because Zoras mostly live in shallow, fresh-water lake/river systems, and a (probable) salt-water, deep ocean environment would be death to them, and they would have nowhere else to go to, unlike the other species.

Like post #15 says, only monsters and fishmen can live in the waters. Zoras would not be able to...
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