Current Events > Joe Biden, on institutional changes

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Antifar
04/22/20 8:01:20 AM
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MarqueeSeries
04/22/20 8:14:01 AM
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I think the context made it worse
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gunplagirl
04/22/20 8:18:12 AM
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MarqueeSeries posted...
I think the context made it worse
Yep

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Shablagoo
04/22/20 8:28:00 AM
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Whats great about this epidemic is I can use it as an opportunity to call basic human rights malarkey.

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Were_Wyrm
04/22/20 8:31:20 AM
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Can his campaign just hide him away somewhere until November?

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Doom_Art
04/22/20 8:32:38 AM
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i don't get it

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KillerSlaw
04/22/20 8:40:39 AM
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Romulox28
04/22/20 8:41:02 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
i don't get it
neither does joe

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UnfairRepresent
04/22/20 8:43:44 AM
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voldothegr8
04/22/20 8:45:19 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
i don't get it

We know all to well
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BLAKUboy
04/22/20 8:47:52 AM
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Doom_Art posted...
i don't get it
Bernie Bros have become the "Yet you participate in society" guy, I guess?

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NinjaBreakfast
04/22/20 8:49:39 AM
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Love how he said malarkey!

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OpenShut
04/22/20 8:53:17 AM
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BLAKUboy posted...
Bernie Bros have become the "Yet you participate in society" guy, I guess?
Lol, yeah. Also pretty funny seeing the hypocrisy of Trumpers questioning the mental capabilities of other candidates. Completely pot calling kettle black right there.
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lilORANG
04/22/20 8:57:32 AM
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I think the COVID got to his brain
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UnfairRepresent
04/22/20 8:58:05 AM
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OpenShut posted...

Lol, yeah. Also pretty funny seeing the hypocrisy of Trumpers questioning the mental capabilities of other candidates. Completely pot calling kettle black right there.

It is astounding to me how nearly every criticism I have heard about Biden from Trumpers is more true of Trump.

It's "When I do it, it's cute!" personified.
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SquantoZ
04/22/20 9:00:55 AM
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still better than trump

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Antifar
04/22/20 10:56:13 AM
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My point here was that the candidate who spent all primary saying institutional change wasn't possible is now acknowledging the ways in which events have opened up that door.

And that he doesn't seem particularly interested in winning over Sanders supporters, given his line about socialism.
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BLAKUboy
04/22/20 10:59:22 AM
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Antifar posted...
My point here was that the candidate who spent all primary saying institutional change wasn't possible
He didn't though. Bernie Bros just harped on a single out-of-context quote to pretend he did.

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NinjaWarrior455
04/22/20 11:00:13 AM
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I don't think Biden understands what institutional changes actually are

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Shablagoo
04/22/20 11:02:55 AM
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BLAKUboy posted...
He didn't though. Bernie Bros just harped on a single out-of-context quote to pretend he did.

His whole platform is going back to the way things were B.T. (Before Trump).

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COVxy
04/22/20 11:04:18 AM
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Shablagoo posted...
His whole platform is going back to the way things were B.T. (Before Trump).

Have you read his platform or have you still had trouble getting passed the pop up?

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DezDroppedFreak
04/22/20 11:06:33 AM
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COVxy posted...
Have you read his platform or have you still had trouble getting passed the pop up?
Cute.

It's literally his own words. He has said as much multiple times in debates and rallies. Just because he is suddenly co-opting progressive-lite ideas doesn't negate months of campaigning

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Shablagoo
04/22/20 11:07:55 AM
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Ive been to the website before and read his platform, yes. Its all very vague, half-assed, and doesnt match his rhetoric. Even the stuff I like, well you have to look at a persons resum before hiring them for a job not just like some of what you hear during the interview.

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TheGoldenEel
04/22/20 11:09:30 AM
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NinjaWarrior455 posted...
I don't think Biden understands what institutional changes actually are
Its when he gets transferred to a new facility that can better treat his dementia

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ElatedVenusaur
04/22/20 11:10:33 AM
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Shablagoo posted...
Ive been to the website before and read his platform, yes. Its all very vague, half-assed, and doesnt match his rhetoric. Even the stuff I like, well you have to look at a persons resum before hiring them for a job not just like some of what you hear during the interview.
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Antifar
04/22/20 11:12:54 AM
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BLAKUboy posted...
He didn't though. Bernie Bros just harped on a single out-of-context quote to pretend he did.

He talked about Bernie's whole platform as though it were a pipe dream.
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COVxy
04/22/20 11:13:51 AM
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Antifar posted...
He talked about Bernie's whole platform as though it were a pipe dream.

It is doe, and you've admitted it!

You need to decide, one way or the other, and stick with it.

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MrMojoRising
04/22/20 11:15:53 AM
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When people said Biden was the "coalition" candidate, they meant that he can appeal to Republicans, not the left. That's because he has more in common with conservatives. Too bad it won't work, though.

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Antifar
04/22/20 11:17:32 AM
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COVxy posted...
It is doe, and you've admitted it!

In a crisis like this, it certainly is not! Just as Biden is saying here, a whole lot of assumptions about what is possible or desirable are going out the window.
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BLAKUboy
04/22/20 11:18:38 AM
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Antifar posted...
He talked about Bernie's whole platform as though it were a pipe dream.
I mean, it is. Bernie's platform was never passing in its entirety. There's a whole ocean of grey between Bernie's wet dream and "change is impossible".

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COVxy
04/22/20 11:18:59 AM
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Antifar posted...
In a crisis like this, it certainly is not! Just as Biden is saying here, a whole lot of assumptions about what is possible or desirable are going out the window.

So you believe that it is likely that if Bernie were elected, he would be able to implement M4A?

Cuz I asked you this like last week and you essentially said (well, maybe, maybe not, but it's better to strive for it), which sounds like a pipe dream to me.

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COVxy
04/22/20 11:22:15 AM
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It seems like the general answer is "yes, we know it's a pipe dream, but you shouldn't say that in a campaign!"

Which to me seems both deceptive and manipulative.

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Antifar
04/22/20 11:25:12 AM
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COVxy posted...
So you believe that it is likely that if Bernie were elected, he would be able to implement M4A?

I believe that's more likely than Joe Biden fashioning anything good out of a crisis in which 9 million people have lost their employer-sponsored care and health insurance premiums are likely to skyrocket in 2021.
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BLAKUboy
04/22/20 11:26:37 AM
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Bernie was more likely to pitch a fit the moment he inevitably didn't get everything he wanted.

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645AR
04/22/20 11:27:10 AM
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"at least he's not trump! go team blue!"
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NinjaBreakfast
04/22/20 11:27:14 AM
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Jagr_68
04/22/20 11:29:29 AM
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Well Uncle Joe's done the impossible.. He has made both Donald Trump and Hillary Rodham Clinton very very likable presidential candidates in comparison.


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Antifar
04/22/20 11:30:06 AM
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Jagr_68 posted...
Well Uncle Joe's done the impossible.. He has made both Donald Trump and Hillary Rodham Clinton very very likable presidential candidates in comparison.


He is significantly more liked than Hillary was.
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COVxy
04/22/20 11:31:06 AM
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Antifar posted...
I believe that's more likely than Joe Biden fashioning anything good out of a crisis in which 9 million people have lost their employer-sponsored care and health insurance premiums are likely to skyrocket in 2021.

I mean, you seem to be deflecting away from a very simple question.

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Zodd3224
04/22/20 11:37:03 AM
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This guy is a creepy senile moron

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Romes187
04/22/20 11:40:00 AM
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m4a will eventually be the norm but the idiots in charge have to figure out a way to make the most money off of it before they make their idiot decision to push it

because idiots run our government....old idiots who have no idea how to actually lead or fix things because the political cost is too much
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Paper_Okami
04/22/20 2:06:30 PM
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BLAKUboy posted...
I mean, it is. Bernie's platform was never passing in its entirety. There's a whole ocean of grey between Bernie's wet dream and "change is impossible".

all those things are implemented in dozens of other countries

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COVxy
04/22/20 2:09:31 PM
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Paper_Okami posted...
all those things are implemented in dozens of other countries

That's a strange criterion.

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Garioshi
04/22/20 2:11:58 PM
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We're America and we can do anything except Medicare for All because that's socialism!!!

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Broseph_Stalin
04/22/20 2:13:21 PM
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man we're really struggling to find stuff that makes biden look bad aren't we?
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COVxy
04/22/20 2:16:01 PM
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Godnorgosh posted...
but muh population

Garioshi posted...
We're America and we can do anything except Medicare for All because that's socialism!!!

I don't think that there are many people arguing that it couldn't physically be done. Only that the politics makes it pretty much impossible. Unless you expected Bernie to tear down the government and instantiate a dictatorship, the plausibility of M4A passing through legislation is extremely low.

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TheGoldenEel
04/22/20 2:18:04 PM
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COVxy posted...
I don't think that there are many people arguing that it couldn't physically be done. Only that the politics makes it pretty much impossible. Unless you expected Bernie to tear down the government and instantiate a dictatorship, the plausibility of M4A passing through legislation is extremely low.
But electing Bernie is a step toward making those things possible

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COVxy
04/22/20 2:19:24 PM
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TheGoldenEel posted...
But electing Bernie is a step toward making those things possible

And so is Biden. That's the way incremental progress works!

It seems that "centrist" democrats are pretty much just more honest about what realistically can be done.

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Garioshi
04/22/20 2:20:09 PM
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COVxy posted...
I don't think that there are many people arguing that it couldn't physically be done. Only that the politics makes it pretty much impossible. Unless you expected Bernie to tear down the government and instantiate a dictatorship, the plausibility of M4A passing through legislation is extremely low.


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