Poll of the Day > They said only 60,000 will die from COVID-19 by AUGUST..now it's 50,000+???

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I thought analysts and the Trump administration said the death toll in the USA from the virus is gonna be way less than predicted and said the original estimate of 100,000 will now be 60,000...well now the total has reached 50,000+...

Do you think the death toll will pass 60,000 by next month?

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Probably.

you also probably shouldve waited to make this topic until after it had exceeded that.

Dont forget that everyone with a gunshot wound or a heart attack or was crushed in a car accident and so on who also happened to test positive for the virus died of the coronavirus and nothing else. Also they decided to add 7000 untested cases in the last week just because they mightve had the virus, but they dont really know.

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Depends on whether or not social distancing is kept up on.

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10,000 more in a full month when states are slowly going to reopen? It's a safe bet

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mrduckbear posted...

I thought

Do you, though?

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Less than 8k to go and we're not even in May yet

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Thanos lol

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aDirtyShisno posted...

Dont forget that everyone with a gunshot wound or a heart attack or was crushed in a car accident and so on who also happened to test positive for the virus died of the coronavirus and nothing else. Also they decided to add 7000 untested cases in the last week just because they mightve had the virus, but they dont really know.

Are you just pulling this out of ur butt or what

Zeus posted...

Do you, though?

Jury's still out on that one.

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sodium-chloride posted...

Are you just pulling this out of ur butt or what

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa/new-york-city-posts-

sharp-spike-in-coronavirus-deaths-after-untested-victims-added-idUSKCN21W20G

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New York City, the hardest hit U.S. city in the coronavirus pandemic, revised its official COVID-19 death toll sharply higher to more than 10,000 on Tuesday, to include victims presumed to have perished from the lung disease but never tested.

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I mean yeah, what else would you give for their cause of death? You don't need to be tested for a specific disease for doctor or a medical examiner to certify your death certificate. Especially not at this time when it's probably the most reasonable cause if they had no other significant health issues and they don't have the resources to test cadavers.

They're not labeling people who get shot or run over by a car as death due to covid. There's a reason why medical examiners have the job of looking into deaths that are suspicious of being due to non-natural causes.

sodium-chloride posted...

I mean yeah, what else would you give for their cause of death? You don't need to be tested for a specific disease for doctor or a medical examiner to certify your death certificate. Especially not at this time when it's probably the most reasonable cause if they had no other significant health issues and they don't have the resources to test cadavers.

They're not labeling people who get shot or run over by a car as death due to covid. There's a reason why medical examiners have the job of looking into deaths that are suspicious of being due to non-natural causes.

Cause would be listed as unknown if its, you know, unknown. Listing it as deaths by coronavirus when you dont actually know what the cause is is just being disingenuous.

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sodium-chloride posted...

They're not labeling people who get shot or run over by a car as death due to covid. There's a reason why medical examiners have the job of looking into deaths that are suspicious of being due to non-natural causes.

And yes they are. The White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator confirmed that three weeks ago.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/feds-classify-all-coronavirus-patient-deaths-as-covid-19-deaths/

There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition, and lets say the virus caused you to go to the ICU [intensive care unit] and then have a heart or kidney problem, she said during a Tuesday news briefing at the White House. Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.

The intent is if someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that, she added.

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We'll be over 60k in the next few days

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aDirtyShisno posted...

And yes they are. The White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator confirmed that three weeks ago.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/feds-classify-all-coronavirus-patient-deaths-as-covid-19-deaths/

There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition, and lets say the virus caused you to go to the ICU [intensive care unit] and then have a heart or kidney problem, she said during a Tuesday news briefing at the White House. Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.

The intent is if someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that, she added.

Getting shot or run over is not a pre-existing condition like a heart or kidney problem.

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papercup posted...

Getting shot or run over is not a pre-existing condition like a heart or kidney problem.

Not true at all. Like all things it depends when you where shot or run or at.

If your respiratory system is damaged as a result it can have a huge impact.

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EvilMegas posted...

Not true at all. Like all things it depends when you where shot or run or at.

If your respiratory system is damaged as a result it can have a huge impact.

He's saying if you are shot or run over to death that that is a pre-existing condition which is what they are calling a covid death. Which is not what the statement he quoted said.

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aDirtyShisno posted...

Cause would be listed as unknown if its, you know, unknown. Listing it as deaths by coronavirus when you dont actually know what the cause is is just being disingenuous.

No it is definitely not listed as unknown. There is reasonable evidence for them to say they died from complications of COVID-19 even if they didn't get a test confirming it. Why don't you read the last two sentences of this document directly from the CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/blue_form.pdf

aDirtyShisno posted...

And yes they are. The White House Coronavirus Response Coordinator confirmed that three weeks ago.

https://nypost.com/2020/04/07/feds-classify-all-coronavirus-patient-deaths-as-covid-19-deaths/

There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition, and lets say the virus caused you to go to the ICU [intensive care unit] and then have a heart or kidney problem, she said during a Tuesday news briefing at the White House. Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.

The intent is if someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that, she added.

Yes, that's how cause of death works. You may have a pre existing condition, but if that condition is exacerbated by something else then the death can be attributed by that something else. A person with cardiovascular disease will probably die of a heart attack one day, but if they get COVID-19 and develop hypercoaguability resulting in a PE, then their cause of death is PE due to hypercoaguability caused by COVID19.

And no, gunshot sounds and car accidents are not pre existing conditions. No medical examiner will write down COVID19 as the final cause of death in an obvious suicide, homicide or accident case.

papercup posted...

Getting shot or run over is not a pre-existing condition like a heart or kidney problem.

***Edit: That was the weirdest glitch Ive ever seen when quoting someone. It changed who I quoted and the text that I highlighted. No, wait it was the right person, just still completely changed the text.

The intent is if someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that, she added.

Preexisting conditions is not a requirement to fulfill that statement. They are upset because other countries are using preexisting conditions to not label a death as being caused by the coronavirus but that is not the maximum extent that the United States is going to label deaths in the opposite direction, ie labeling absolutely every death of any person who is diagnosed with the coronavirus as having died from it.

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sodium-chloride posted...

No medical examiner will write down COVID19 as the final cause of death in an obvious suicide, homicide or accident case.

Its not the medical examiner, its the Federal government. Theyre literally saying Did the person who died for any reason have coronavirus? And if the answer is yes then they label that as a death caused by the coronavirus in terms of statistical stat tracking.

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sodium-chloride posted...

No it is definitely not listed as unknown. There is reasonable evidence for them to say they died from complications of COVID-19 even if they didn't get a test confirming it. Why don't you read the last two sentences of this document directly from the CDC.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/dvs/blue_form.pdf

You mean where it specifically says that if it cant be determined it MUST be listed as unknown or uncertain?

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papercup posted...

He's saying if you are shot or run over to death that that is a pre-existing condition which is what they are calling a covid death. Which is not what the statement he quoted said.

Oh, yeah never mind. I dont read his nonsense. Lol

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papercup posted...

He's saying if you are shot or run over to death that that is a pre-existing condition which is what they are calling a covid death. Which is not what the statement he quoted said.

You cant seem to read.

The intent is if someone dies with COVID-19, we are counting that, she added.

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It could be 600k and itd still be so insignificant a number per capita.

What really stinks is we wont even get to see benefit from losing the small population %...if people are making more babies during lockdown the one positive of the virus will be canceled out

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