Board 8 > Imagine you're running for President of the United States

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red sox 777 posted...

As for selecting option 2 and being a bad person, maybe I'm reading this wrong, but it's sounding like someone who selects this is going through life indifferent to how others feel. Because you aren't bothering to see how others feel. That's not good in my book.

yeah, i think youre reading that wrong.

i think its less, not bothering to see how others feel and more, not being omniscient/infallible.

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There is something offputting about this poll.....well let's see. If we adopt the "omniscient" interpretation, the options reduce to:

1. I believe I'm omniscient.
2. I believe I'm not omniscient.

The implied premise appears to be that sexual harassment or sexual assault is mainly a product of failure to be omniscient, as opposed to not caring about how others feel. So I guess I don't like the poll options.

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I'm gonna vote #1 since im a hermit and never engage in human contact

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CaptainOfCrush posted...

And to expand - I understand that this is a community with a relatively high percentage of introverts and people fairly inexperienced with sex or flirtation, but even when considering that, I'm surprised and disappointed by these results.

60% of us (through 57 votes) are completely confident we have never interacted with someone in a way that could have possibly caused that person to feel sexually uncomfortable. This is opening my eyes a bit as to how difficult a time we may have being honest with ourselves with stuff like this.

Oh really? Being introverted naturally leads to having much less contact with the opposite sex. So yeah, when you've barely had contact at all, the chances that someone could sincerely accuse you drop severely. I think your personal experience is affecting your judgment hard here.

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Dark Young Link posted...

But looking at the results and going "Board 8 must be bad at self reflection"... why are you making such assumptions? Why do you assume a majority of people had to have done something inappropriate?

I don't think the stance that "everyone has done something inappropriate in their lives" is a very controversial one.

if anything the steadfast belief and even defense of the idea that 60% of people on here have NEVER done anything wrong, that there's not even a chance that another person could have even perceived their behavior as wrong, is pretty extreme. it projects a level of certainty which should be impossible for the rational mind to ever reach on a subject that is riddled with uncertainty.

and yet if I tell them this, they will double down on that certainty. that is exactly the reason why the poll results look like this, and why I wasn't surprised to see those numbers.

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CaptainOfCrush posted...

And to expand - I understand that this is a community with a relatively high percentage of introverts and people fairly inexperienced with sex or flirtation, but even when considering that, I'm surprised and disappointed by these results.

60% of us (through 57 votes) are completely confident we have never interacted with someone in a way that could have possibly caused that person to feel sexually uncomfortable. This is opening my eyes a bit as to how difficult a time we may have being honest with ourselves with stuff like this.

I really disagree with the assessment here. It's completely natural to vote option 1 unless you have reason to believe you harassed someone in the past. Nothing is ever 100% certain but that's still a way people talk. Also if not even 60% of people can say with confidence they haven't harassed someone unknowingly, I think the term is being used to loosely.

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MZero11 posted...

It's completely natural to vote option 1 unless you have reason to believe you harassed someone in the past.

It's natural but it's closed minded, that's the point. There's a huge difference between believing you harassed in the past and seeing how ANYONE could POSSIBLY claim as such. You're talking about 1 person vs thousands.

It's clear that the anti-fems ITT understand this concept because they believe all women accusers are liars anyway. They hate women for potentially lying to ruin your life but also there's 0 chance a woman would make that lie in your case?

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I'm trying to think about this from other people's perspective, I voted option 3. I definitely have made other people feel sexually uncomfortable so it's a pretty easy answer for me.

But there are people in my life that I have had sexual experiences with that I am pretty close to 100% sure wouldn't come forward maliciously or genuinely about how I made them feel. If someone only had sexual relationships like that I guess it would be understandable to vote option one.

But that said, it seems close to impossible to have relationships like that unless you get in the dirt and learn where the borders are. Sex is messy and complex and there's no tome of objective right answers to do in certain situations. There's no pop up video porn to show what body language women or men use when they feel safe. It's all about getting in there and making mistakes. The people I made mistakes with were good people who didn't hold my mistakes against me, and we still forged a good relationship afterwards, but I haven't talked to them in years so it's possible they reexamined situations without me and came up with a different version of the story.

I haven't had that many sexual partners either, which is what drives my disbelief at that large number of 1 voters. It does see that at least a large percent of them are being either non-introspective or just lying

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In retrospect, I probably should have voted two, but the wording of the poll question doesn't necessarily match up with the wording of the options.

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I think there's ultimately a disconnect born from personal experiences

I'd assume most people choosing 1 haven't had any kind of negative experience or have been made aware of any, and so it's tougher to pinpoint things that others may perceive that way. At the same time, I think the people most going "There's no way" about 1 seem to be openly admitting they've certainly been inappropriate in the past, and so to them it's tougher to accept that others have not.

I think both sides are projecting a bit.

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being an introverted shut in doesn't mean you're less likely to be in the 2nd category as due to your lack of experience with socialization, your mannerisms may send the wrong signals as you don't know any better.


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HashtagSEP posted...

I think there's ultimately a disconnect born from personal experiences

I'd assume most people choosing 1 haven't had any kind of negative experience or have been made aware of any, and so it's tougher to pinpoint things that others may perceive that way. At the same time, I think the people most going "There's no way" about 1 seem to be openly admitting they've certainly been inappropriate in the past, and so to them it's tougher to accept that others have not.

I think both sides are projecting a bit.

I think you're reading way too much into it. I absolutely believe there is some % of people who have never had a single interaction with a woman in the past that she could in any way describe as having made her feel inappropriate, stressed, uncomfortable, or ashamed. I DO NOT BELIEVE, under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, that this % is anywhere near 60%

the difference between X% and 60%? this difference is caused by board 8 users being full of shit and having no idea about the consequences of their own actions.

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MZero11 posted...

It's completely natural to vote option 1 unless you have reason to believe you harassed someone in the past.

It has nothing to do with what you believe about your past interactions though
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Oh, I'm not disagreeing 60% is way too high

I'm just saying there's a definite disconnect between what somebody who has never had a negative experience might think vs. what Yo "I openly make topics about wanting to eat women's asses" blazer might think, for instance. The former's more likely to project "Well I never witnessed anything negative so there was nothing negative" and the latter is likely to project "I'm like this and so everybody is like this."

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The biggest problem with the SJW subculture, is that the goalposts are constantly being moved. Behavior that was normal and acceptable 10 years ago would now result in people getting "cancelled" and I have no idea why.

The only thing I can think of, is that modern society just has WAY too many people with no responsibilities or value, that just sit around all day making blog posts and dumb youtube videos. These in turn corrupt impressionable but normal people into being "woke", and it just propogates from there.

To use a great example, using the wording in the poll, there are insane people out there that are trying DESPERATELY to have something to be angry/offended at, that a passing glance at open cleavage in a public setting could "cause them" "discomfort or shame". The reality of the situation is that what's happening to Biden can happen to literally every man posting in this topic because by the very definition of the "MeToo" movement, there is no requirement for anything to have even happened in order for someone to be "cancelled"

Dark Young Link posted...

At some point in your existence, someone didn't like something you did. Okay so, where do we go from there?

For the purposes of this topic, thats the end of it.
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White_Turtle posted...

I have no idea why.

You make a lot of declarative statements for someone who by his own admission doesnt understand the cultural shift
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Jakyl25 posted...

You make a lot of declarative statements for someone who by his own admission doesnt understand the cultural shift

At this point almost nobody is replying to him and yet he's still ranting so that gives a bit of insight into his mind right now

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will preface this by saying it's possibly not category #1 for me, but i think that 55% of B8ers falling into category 1 isn't implausible

one thing that's in common with almost ALL claims of sexual assault is that the alleged harasser is in a position of power over the assaultee

if you've never been in a position of power - and most of B8 hasn't - then people are way less likely to think of it as a big deal

the "giving a weird look"/"social awkwardness" thing is also overblown. these stories almost all include a powerful man (often someone's boss, often much older) groping or propositioning a younger woman

many B8ers fall into one of these categories:

1. are younger than 40
2. haven't really been in a position of power over younger women
3. are pretty much shut-ins
4. have never had sexual contact of any kind
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The people you're describing with those 4 points are the exact same people that give off "creepy" vibes, and I'll guarantee that all of them at some point in their lives have creeped out a woman in some completely harmless way, that the outrage culture proponents would find a way to spin into a #MeToo moment.

SeabassDebeste posted...

these stories almost all include a powerful man (often someone's boss, often much older) groping or propositioning a younger woman

you probably hear about them because those are the stories that make the news, but speaking as a doofus video game nerd with little to no muscle, and an easy going submissive personality I have certainly abused my power with people. Actually, in my experience, it's way more common for people with no power to abuse what they have.

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SeabassDebeste posted...

many B8ers fall into one of these categories:

1. are younger than 40
2. haven't really been in a position of power over younger women
3. are pretty much shut-ins
4. have never had sexual contact of any kind

Fucking lol qft

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