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No

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If the mother is on a vegan diet

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OffTempo posted...

No

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Yes
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Villain posted...

If the mother is on a vegan diet

Lol, still no.

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I said yes.

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thx guys, our two month old came out as vegan so we'll switch her to almond milk

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No, which I actually used in an argument once to make a Vegan look stupid.

He was arguing that the natural human diet is vegetables, I argued that its meat/milk/cheese.

I cornered him when I said so you really think milk is not a natural part of the human diet, he said yea its high in saturated fat and leads to early death.

Then I said so exactly what should newborns be fed? Kale? The whole table started laughing at him there.

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Technically, I would say no. However, a woman can consent to providing milk, whereas cows and other animals can't consent to how they're raised and treated as livestock, so I don't think the same ethical issues exist.

AlephZero posted...

thx guys, our two month old came out as vegan so we'll switch her to almond milk

No you need vegan formula at that age

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Omega Hunter posted...

No, which I actually used in an argument once to make a Vegan look stupid.

He was arguing that the natural human diet is vegetables, I argued that its meat/milk/cheese.

I cornered him when I said so you really think milk is not a natural part of the human diet, he said yea its high in saturated fat and leads to early death.

Then I said so exactly what should newborns be fed? Kale? The whole table started laughing at him there.

Xfddd this guy eats like a baby

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Yes because the woman is consenting

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AlephZero posted...

asking for a friend

does it come from a vegetable source? No? Not vegan

I've been vegan for 5 years, and I'm more qualified to answer questions like these than probably anyone on this board. Yes, it's vegan if the woman consents to giving it.

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Harpie posted...

Yes because the woman is consenting

so if a person walked to me and said eat me please and chopped his or her arm and begged me to eat it, that would be vegan?

Pepys Monster posted...

I've been vegan for 5 years, and I'm more qualified to answer questions like these than probably anyone on this board. Yes, it's vegan if the woman consents to giving it.

gee and I thought whether it was about eating animal sources or not. So I guess the molecular structure of things change with consent.

lets start selling vegan ice cream made from breast milk (if the woman consents) and and vegan human burger patties (if the human consents to become burger patties after a death from natural causes unrelated to the patty making).

who thought cutting down on cholesterol and animal protein would be this easy!?

The_Bitcoin posted...

gee and I thought whether it was about eating animal sources or not. So I guess the molecular structure of things change with consent.

lets start selling vegan ice cream made from breast milk (if the woman consents) and and vegan human burger patties (if the human consents to become burger patties after a death from natural causes unrelated to the patty making).

who thought cutting down on cholesterol and animal protein would be this easy!?

You realize vegans wouldn't be allowed to kiss, or be given a blood transfusion if they adhered to your idea of what veganism is, right?

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The_Bitcoin posted...

so if a person walked to me and said eat me please and chopped his or her arm and begged me to eat it, that would be vegan?

Yes

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I want to eat an arm now.

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The_Bitcoin posted...

so if a person walked to me and said eat me please and chopped his or her arm and begged me to eat it, that would be vegan?

https://youtu.be/yqp52oZd2vI?t=31

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Yes, veganism is about not exploiting animals when it can otherwise be avoided. A woman giving her breast milk freely is not being exploited.

I thought veganism was about not eating animal products? If so, then breast milk isn't vegan though.

I mean, it's not a strong counter argument, but cows from local farms give consent to their owners to milk them. Some cows if given the choice wouldn't even let you milk them or would rather have a certain person do it. If a cow gives consent to being milked it's fine? Honestly curious.

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Omega Hunter posted...

He was arguing that the natural human diet is vegetables, I argued that its meat/milk/cheese.

If you argue that cheese is part of the natural human diet, anything you have to say about diet is better off ignored.

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Only if the woman is a vegetable.

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Slaya4 posted...

I thought veganism was about not eating animal products? If so, then breast milk isn't vegan though.

I mean, it's not a strong counter argument, but cows from local farms give consent to their owners to milk them. Some cows if given the choice wouldn't even let you milk them or would rather have a certain person do it. If a cow gives consent to being milked it's fine? Honestly curious.

No veganism is about not exploiting animals when it can be avoided. Can a cow living on a farm consent to giving milk? IDK but I wouldn't judge someone if they truly believed it.

Yes.

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Yes it's vegan unless you've got women held captive in a barn somewhere forced to spend 80% of their lives pregnant and hooked up to milking machines.

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Omega Hunter posted...

No, which I actually used in an argument once to make a Vegan look stupid.

He was arguing that the natural human diet is vegetables, I argued that its meat/milk/cheese.

I cornered him when I said so you really think milk is not a natural part of the human diet, he said yea its high in saturated fat and leads to early death.

Then I said so exactly what should newborns be fed? Kale? The whole table started laughing at him there.

Most(if not all) species of mammals feed their young milk, and many of them eat plants exclusively.

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IronWolf87 posted...

Yes, veganism is about not exploiting animals when it can otherwise be avoided. A woman giving her breast milk freely is not being exploited.

This

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mustachedmystic posted...

Most(if not all) species of mammals feed their young milk, and many of them eat plants exclusively.

All mammals give milk to their young. Even dolphins and platypus. It's like the single biggest quality of a mammal and it's why breasts are called "mammaries"

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Pepys Monster posted...

You realize vegans wouldn't be allowed to kiss, or be given a blood transfusion if they adhered to your idea of what veganism is, right?

I didnt come up with the idea of veganism.

The philosophy of not exploiting an animal for produce or goods is a lot easier to believe than to actually execute. Commendable as it is, I dont agree with it and prefer to use a strictly dietary definition when referring to being vegan.

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undefined posted...

No, which I actually used in an argument once to make a Vegan look stupid.

The whole table started laughing at him there.

Veganism debunked. You certainly showed those vegans a thing or two and proceeded to win the Woes of your high school peers as well by doing so.

Cows cant give consent and are exploited for breastmilk. If you drink it, youre an animal abuser.

already discussed this in a thread the other day. There is no planet in which animals are defined as we define them, where you can say "breastmilk" is vegan. Vegan food is about eating/drinking stuff that did not come from an animal. Breastmilk comes from an animal.

And also recently debunked on this website, plant milk can't actually be milk because of the definition of what milk actually is.

mustachedmystic posted...

Most(if not all) species of mammals feed their young milk, and many of them eat plants exclusively.

As discussed previously in the other thread that may or may be nuked by now, many herbivores will eat meat or animal products when the opportunity arises and as such are not exclusive plant eaters.

Pepys Monster posted...

You realize vegans wouldn't be allowed to kiss, or be given a blood transfusion if they adhered to your idea of what veganism is, right?

Sounds to me lile they just don't have strong enough convictions.

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kayoticdreamz posted...

There is no planet in which animals are defined as we define them, where you can say "breastmilk" is vegan. Vegan food is about eating/drinking stuff that did not come from an animal. Breastmilk comes from an animal.

Breast milk comes from an animal who willfully consents to providing it. Consent is the distinction you keep ignoring, for whatever reason.

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No it is not vegan, even from an ethical standpoint. Any market for such products would invariably involve the exploitation of humans. Our ability to consent means little when society allows for people to have power over others.

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veganism

Veganism is the practice of abstaining from the use of animal products, particularly in diet, and an associated philosophy that rejects the commodity status of animals.[b] A follower of the diet or the philosophy is known as a vegan.[c] Distinctions may be made between several categories of veganism. Dietary vegans (also known as "strict vegetarians") refrain from consuming meat, eggs, dairy products, and any other animal-derived substances.

yes, dietary veganism is about abstaining from animal sourced foods.

there may be other kinds of veganism, such as philosophical or ethical veganism, but the dietary one is about what you it.

do you really think you could sell vegan milk and ice cream because it was made with breast milk of consenting women? Lmao

The_Bitcoin posted...

do you really think you could sell vegan milk and ice cream because it was made with breast milk of consenting women? Lmao

You can and some people do.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

All mammals give milk to their young. Even dolphins and platypus. It's like the single biggest quality of a mammal and it's why breasts are called "mammaries"

You have it backward, my dear boy. That is why mammals are called mammals.


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Yes, because the mother can consent. The primary argument from people who are vegans because of moral/political reasons is the fact that animals cannot consent to having their milk/eggs/meat/etc. taken from them.

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presence or lack of consent has no bearing. Humans are animals, breast milk is an animal product. It can not be considered vegan.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

You can and some people do.

didnt you read my fucking Wikipedia link? Ugh!

Everyone saying no is on a fake account.

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Pseudomenon posted...

Breast milk comes from an animal who willfully consents to providing it. Consent is the distinction you keep ignoring, for whatever reason.

because that's not what vegan means.

vegans might be vegan because of some consent issue, but that still doesn't change what vegan is which is "DOES NOT EAT/DRINK ANIMAL PRODUCTS!!!"

Your reasons for not doing that may vary wildly, but that's not the issue at hand and is a completely separate conversation from "is breast milk vegan"

But I'm not shocked, I've seen more than vegan on the internet change definitions of words when cornered because their argument(s) fall apart constantly.

Krojen posted...

Everyone saying no is on a fake account.

this has been my long con all along, to establish trust on this "fake account" specifically to fool vegans. I have spent 10+ years building up to this moment!

Krojen posted...

Everyone saying no is on a fake account.

Wikipedia is fake?

https://www.peta.org/living/food/is-breastmilk-vegan/

So even vegan extremists like peta say breast milk is vegan