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Jeff_Garcia7 posted...

https://www.peta.org/living/food/is-breastmilk-vegan/

So even vegan extremists like peta say breast milk is vegan

lmfao, this article is so wrong.

Jeff_Garcia7 posted...

https://www.peta.org/living/food/is-breastmilk-vegan/

So even vegan extremists like peta say breast milk is vegan

Wikipedia>>> Mario bros 3 is murder peta

I will take actual vegan organizations word for it over some wikipedia word games. Yall are free to believe whatever you want and live your best life tho

kayoticdreamz posted...

because that's not what vegan means.

vegans might be vegan because of some consent issue, but that still doesn't change what vegan is which is "DOES NOT EAT/DRINK ANIMAL PRODUCTS!!!"

Your reasons for not doing that may vary wildly, but that's not the issue at hand and is a completely separate conversation from "is breast milk vegan"

But I'm not shocked, I've seen more than vegan on the internet change definitions of words when cornered because their argument(s) fall apart constantly.

You're using "plant-based diet" and "veganism" interchangeably with no concern for the history behind the latter term or its crucial context you're ignoring.

But I'm not shocked. I've seen more than one anti-vegan pedant on the internet act like they know everything about veganism while demonstrating that they clearly don't.

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You could argue that Breast milk is vegan because it avoids the poor morality of other animal products, which is the major reason that vegans are vegan. Since the mother is willing to share it with her kid, its completely fine.

You could also argue that since we're the same species, it can be fine in the end, considering that it misses the point of taking advantage of other animals for their foods. Things like breast milk are what we are evolutionarily designed to eat as animals, but that disappears when we get older and we aren't at all evolutionarily required to drink milk from other animals, like cows.

Pseudomenon posted...

You're using "plant-based diet" and "veganism" interchangeably with no concern for the history behind the latter term or its crucial context you're ignoring.

But I'm not shocked. I've seen more than one anti-vegan pedant on the internet act like they know everything about veganism while demonstrating that they clearly don't.

This. although often the only significant difference between plant-based and vegan is that someone calling themselves vegan is more annoying.

Pseudomenon posted...

You're using "plant-based diet" and "veganism" interchangeably with no concern for the history behind the latter term or its crucial context you're ignoring.

But I'm not shocked. I've seen more than one anti-vegan pedant on the internet act like they know everything about veganism while demonstrating that they clearly don't.

no I'm not. If a person uses the word vegan, that means one thing. If a person uses "plant based diet" that could mean vegan or vegetarian generally speaking. If a person says vegetarian, that means it's own thing.

Get your damn words right and stop using them interchangably when they mean different things. I'm not the one doing that. You guys are claiming breastmilk is vegan, it's not. It could be vegetarian, but it can't be vegan. It's biologically impossible for it to be vegan.

Proto_Spark posted...

This. although often the only significant difference between plant-based and vegan is that someone calling themselves vegan is more annoying.

nope. Plant based could mean vegetarian as a vegetarian diet is most certainly plant based but can include animal products, usually of the "don't harm sentient beings" variety, like eggs, cheese, milk. Breastmilk would thus be vegetarian but not vegan and vegetarian most certainly is a plant based diet.

Proto_Spark posted...

You could argue that Breast milk is vegan because it avoids the poor morality of other animal products, which is the major reason that vegans are vegan. Since the mother is willing to share it with her kid, its completely fine.

no you can't. vegan is not eating or drinking animal products, no matter the reason. Stop injecting morality into it. You can be vegan for moral reasons, sure. But that has nothing to do with what a vegan diet actually is. which is no animal products, period.

You're basically butchering the sentence here so let me help you.

"My diet is a vegan diet and I choose to be vegan for moral reasons". Instead of "My diet is a moral diet". No a diet cannot be moral, a diet is just a way of eating, nothing more and nothing less. The reason for that diet can be what is moral or immoral, but not the diet in and of itself. As eating itself is a neutral act, it is neither moral nor immoral as all things must eat to live.These are two entirely different things and you can keep blending them together so you can then redefine things to suit your argument.

Mammals product milk for young. Young drink said milk. Said milk is a product from a mammal. Mammals are animals. Therefore milk produced by a mammal is an animal product. Anyone that drinks milk from a mammal is drinking an animal product. Vegans do not eat nor drink animal products. Therefore one logically concludes, vegans cannot drink milk.

It is not hard, or maybe it is to some people here. Drink some milk, get some animal protein and fat in your body.

And on side note, breast milk of a vegan is much lighter, and less nutrient rich much like skim milk, where as breast milk from a non-vegan looks more like whole milk, it is much thicker and denser. So it's not even moral to breastfeed while being vegan, it's why some countries make it illegal to give a kid a vegan diet.

kayoticdreamz posted...

. Stop injecting morality into it. You can be vegan for moral reasons, sure.

There's no "injecting" morality into veganism as it is inherently a moral philosophy. It was conceived and streamlined as an animal rights movement with ethics as the focus. If you actually knew what veganism was instead of blustering on and on about your misconception that it just means "exclusively plant-based with no further context" you would know better.

But you don't and seemingly don't care to actually know what you're talking about, perhaps because that would mean you could no longer cling to this pointless technicality in pursuit of... whatever it is you're after.

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kayoticdreamz posted...

And also recently debunked on this website, plant milk can't actually be milk because of the definition of what milk actually is.

I like this argument. How do you feel about the term "peanut butter"? Since, you know, butter comes from milk and not peanuts.

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Omega Hunter posted...

No, which I actually used in an argument once to make a Vegan look stupid.

He was arguing that the natural human diet is vegetables, I argued that its meat/milk/cheese.

I cornered him when I said so you really think milk is not a natural part of the human diet, he said yea its high in saturated fat and leads to early death.

Then I said so exactly what should newborns be fed? Kale? The whole table started laughing at him there.

Most human cultures didn't have cheese as part of their diet prior to European cultural diffusion. It's not something you just find, you have to make it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheese

Until its modern spread along with European culture, cheese was nearly unheard of in east Asian cultures, in the pre-Columbian Americas, and only had limited use in sub-Mediterranean Africa, mainly being widespread and popular only in Europe, the Middle East, the Indian subcontinent, and areas influenced by those cultures. But with the spread, first of European imperialism, and later of Euro-American culture and food, cheese has gradually become known and increasingly popular worldwide.

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ssjevot posted...

Also, like 70% of the human population is lactose-intolerant, lol. Not sure how the majority of people not being able to eat a thing means that we're supposed to eat that thing, but CE logic I guess.

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AlephZero posted...

thx guys, our two month old came out as vegan so we'll switch her to almond milk

brb calling child services.
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Crazyman93 posted...

brb calling child services.

depending on the country you can do that.

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

I like this argument. How do you feel about the term "peanut butter"? Since, you know, butter comes from milk and not peanuts.

one thing is not like the other bro. Nobody buys peanut butter and then tries to argue it's not some kind of nut product. People do seem to apparently buy plant milk and try and argue that it is real milk.

Pseudomenon posted...

There's no "injecting" morality into veganism as it is inherently a moral philosophy. It was conceived and streamlined as an animal rights movement with ethics as the focus. If you actually knew what veganism was instead of blustering on and on about your misconception that it just means "exclusively plant-based with no further context" you would know better.

But you don't and seemingly don't care to actually know what you're talking about, perhaps because that would mean you could no longer cling to this pointless technicality in pursuit of... whatever it is you're after.

lmao no. Vegan means eating only plants. That is it. How you get to the point in your life where you choose to do that is again a separate matter. Why the hell can't you see that? Not enough steak in your diet bro?

This becomes even more important if you start doing studies on the health of diets, morality does not factor into that anywhere.

keep it coming guys, it's been hilarious.

LMAO

You keep using "vegan" and "plant-based" interchangeably. "Vegan" and "Veganism" are not genericized terms for plant-based diets, not even a 100% plant-based diet. There are plenty of schools of thought regarding plant-based diets and animal rights advocacy, veganism is but one of them. Veganism encompasses both subjects but is explicitly and inherently defined by the latter.

Like, the people who came up with the term "vegan" - and let me stop to make sure you understand that they came up with the words "vegan" and "veganism" not the concepts of plant-based diets or animal rights philosophies in general, which go back throughout recorded history - founded it as an ethical position.

There is no veganism without ethical intention. It is a philosophy that is applied to everything we do, not one proofed by the diet we eat. If you actually knew what veganism was you would know this.


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kayoticdreamz posted...

People do seem to apparently buy plant milk and try and argue that it is real milk.

I don't believe people try to claim almond milk comes from cow teats

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Dude is clearly trolling at this point. Stop giving him attention