Current Events > 75,000 Dead. Yay that the economy is back, I guess.

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People need to stay home (going out for groceries only) until the vaccine comes that gets rid of the virus. End of discussion.

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REMercsChamp posted...

People need to stay home (going out for groceries only) until the vaccine comes that gets rid of the virus. End of discussion.

From: A self-admitted NEET who lives with his parents and pays no rent/mortgage.

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REMercsChamp posted...

People need to stay home (going out for groceries only) until the vaccine comes that gets rid of the virus. End of discussion.

Honestly you shouldnt even be going out for groceries. Just do curbside pickup.

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once the virus got to a certain level, the economy was beyond fucked. like you could reopen everything right now and it wouldn't even matter, most people aren't going to expose themselves and go to public places to buy stuff during these times. Businesses were going to take a massive hit regardless if the economy opened or not. Like the few people who would still go out there and buy stuff to keep businesses and the economy flowing aren't going to be enough for these businesses and they were still going to go under.

Hell if anything opening up the economy so soon will cause more rapid spread, more fear and more long term economic damage.

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Tryin2GetDaPipe posted...

once the virus got to a certain level, the economy was beyond fucked. like you could reopen everything right now and it wouldn't even matter, most people aren't going to expose themselves and go to public places to buy stuff during these times. Businesses were going to take a massive hit regardless if the economy opened or not. Like the few people who would still go out there and buy stuff to keep businesses and the economy flowing aren't going to be enough for these businesses and they were still going to go under.

Hell if anything opening up the economy so soon will cause more rapid spread, more fear and more long term economic damage.

@Tryin2GetDaPipe
Sadly this just isnt true. There are a shit ton of people going out each and every day even on lockdown. Trust me, when things open up people are gonna fucking be there.

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Pepys Monster posted...

I understand that you guys are enjoying the NEET life. But some of us have actual mortgages to pay.

Projection much rofl

Sorry caring for public health and safety is too mainstream for you.

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Ludwig Von 2 posted...

@Tryin2GetDaPipe
Sadly this just isnt true. There are a shit ton of people going out each and every day even on lockdown. Trust me, when things open up people are gonna fucking be there.

Well we need to keep everything locked down until we get the vaccine that fixes everything then

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But we cant, people are still going out

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Ludwig Von 2 posted...

But we cant, people are still going out

Well that's unacceptable. They should be at home and not going outside.

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REMercsChamp posted...

Well we need to keep everything locked down until we get the vaccine that fixes everything then

And what if there is no vaccine? What if this virus ends up being like SARS and we just have to deal with it existing?

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scorpion41 posted...

And what if there is no vaccine? What if this virus ends up being like SARS and we just have to deal with it existing?

Then you just need to accept that you're going to be locked down indefinitely and get used to it and stop complaining.

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REMercsChamp posted...

People need to stay home (going out for groceries only) until the vaccine comes that gets rid of the virus. End of discussion.

That could literally take years. We can not keep people locked up for years. Are you fucking insane?
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Crazyman93 posted...

That could literally take years. We can not keep people locked up for years. Are you fucking insane?

He is

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REMercsChamp posted...

Then you just need to accept that you're going to be locked down indefinitely and get used to it and stop complaining.

Youve lost your mind...

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I keep forgetting CE is full of sad people without any sort of life who will troll about literally anything.
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Crazyman93 posted...

I keep forgetting CE is full of sad people without any sort of life who will troll about literally anything.

Coming from someone tagged as anti-australia...

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Rika_Furude posted...

Coming from someone tagged as anti-australia...

No one gives a shit what you have people tagged as.
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Crazyman93 posted...

No one gives a shit what you have people tagged as.

Just saying you are being quite hypocritical. Not my problem if you get upset over me pointing out your bullshit

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Our only option now is martial law. If people won't stay home maybe they have to be forced to at gunpoint.

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Projection much rofl

Sorry caring for public health and safety is too mainstream for you.

I care more about not getting foreclosed.

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Pepys Monster posted...

I care more about not getting foreclosed.

Then go get a job as an essential worker

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See there is no right solution to this problem we are facing. Reopen and people will get infected and die. Stay closed and the economy will tank with programs to help people going away because no tax money is coming in. Hospitals will shutdown left and right, law enforcement will cease to exist and society as a whole will collapse. It is a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

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We needed to reopen at least partially, the US cannot have another great depression.
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AlephZero posted...

Our only option now is martial law. If people won't stay home maybe they have to be forced to at gunpoint.

This, but unironically.

Hop103 posted...

We needed to reopen at least partially, the US cannot have another great depression.

Nope, just aiming for a higher death toll than any war we've been in

PickleRick2017 posted...

What are we going to do otherwise? Shut down everything for the rest of the year?

We dont have to. Theres actually a pretty big and scalable middle ground where the white house organizes a national response to protect states and the population. Addressing healthcare costs alone would instill confidence in the public towards returning to work.

Fact of the matter is that clear achievable guidelines have been established for months. None of them have been hit because of who controls the legislature and whos sitting in the Oval Office. The alternative to waiting forever is actually doing something, but nothing has actually been done but kick some money around, especially towards lobbying interests.

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What needs to happen is close down everything. Including grocery stores. Have marshal law instituted. Every week the military will disperse bread and water to all citizens. Do this indefinitely until a vaccine is available. And then have the government and military vaccinate everyone by law. Anyone who does not comply will be sent to federal prison for minimum 10 years.

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KingThing posted...

What needs to happen is close down everything. Including grocery stores. Have marshal law instituted. Every week the military will disperse bread and water to all citizens. Do this indefinitely until a vaccine is available. And then have the government and military vaccinate everyone by law. Anyone who does not comply will be sent to federal prison for minimum 10 years.

With the exception of vaccinations, everything listed constitutes tyranny.
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CM_Ponch posted...

Then go get a job as an essential worker

The only "essential" jobs that don't require specialized training of some kind pay shit.
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We should have gone on full-scale strict national lockdown from the very beginning just like other nations. If we had done that, we would be close to ready to fully re-opening our economy. Unfortunately, we have an ignoramus for a President and we have hardly done anything in months to mitigate the damage or stop the spread. Now we're simply fucked no matter what we do.

One thing is absolutely certain: states should not be opening up yet

What would that entail?

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75000 deaths on Donald Trump's tiny hands

KingThing posted...

What needs to happen is close down everything. Including grocery stores. Have marshal law instituted. Every week the military will disperse bread and water to all citizens. Do this indefinitely until a vaccine is available. And then have the government and military vaccinate everyone by law. Anyone who does not comply will be sent to federal prison for minimum 10 years.

Let's just send you to prison for coming up with such a bad idea.

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REMercsChamp posted...

Ludwig Von 2 posted...
@Tryin2GetDaPipe
Sadly this just isnt true. There are a shit ton of people going out each and every day even on lockdown. Trust me, when things open up people are gonna fucking be there.
Well we need to keep everything locked down until we get the vaccine that fixes everything then

The fact the US hasn't had a lockdown in the first place is a good enough reason to recognize the lack of responsibility by a lot of the population. There has only been a few people in the entire country that were required by any authority to stay on "lockdown" away from others by force because they were tested positive, released from the hospital, and purposely not following directives. Everyone else has been free to leave their house and certainly haven't been on any actual lockdown. When I see people that say they feel like they've been in prison, I truly know they're a pampered little bitch and want to smack them upside the head. Ok, that's not even comparable to house-arrest (let alone any type of actual prison), and then I realize they're so ignorant they truly believe they can't still drive nearly anywhere, go for a walk/run, get take-out or drive-thru, and in most circumstances go visit with friends/family because there's so little real restriction in place (really it's only the social influence that stops people).

Everything has simply been a guideline, not an actual directive or enforced mandate in most places with consequence, especially not to the level of a "lockdown." Businesses have created rules based on the guidelines, but a business has never been an authoritative figure to truly do anything to stop people in these ways.

It truly needs to be enforced with penalties for the economy to open up safely, based on support and backing evidence though and consistent requirements everywhere. Masks being effective needs to be supported at a federal and state level, if the backing is there for everyone who can wear them to do so. If not, then it needs to get to that point. If you can't wear one for health reasons then you are given assistance to avoid needing to be anywhere that requires one or another form of prevention (such as government assisted contactless delivery of groceries, health items, etc).

It's not unlike seatbelts and carseats. They aren't a violation of anyone's rights, but I'm sure before they had laws in place, people didn't feel they were necessary and chose not to wear them (shit, people still do) while people made all the excuses not to do so. They aren't comfy, not everyone is going to get in an accident, the risk is low to yourself or even kids, but the law is still in place to help prevent injuries. People mostly follow the law or they get a ticket or possibly cause harm to themselves or others in their vehicle. That's the end of it and nobody protests against these types of things that are in-place to travel, or they choose an alternative method of travel.

Few people complain about these types of laws (at least now), because of expectations and enforcement. It is not a violation of the constitution or people's rights because they don't have to drive a vehicle unless they follow the rules (just like you don't have to be allowed to do certain things unless you follow the rules). Sure, you could walk outside your home without a mask not around others, just like you could drive in an empty parking lot without a seatbelt. Nobody is going to care or enforce those things because the risk and impact is so minimal. Yet people don't go protesting seatbelt laws and how they shouldn't have to wear one, have passengers wear one, or put their kids in one because they're not comfy or violate their rights.

It really has to be a consistent message and similar regulation across the country though, and it doesn't appear we're going to get there anytime soon, especially not before the economy opens up a lot more.

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Pepys Monster posted...

Let's just send you to prison for coming up with such a bad idea.

And we shall send you to prison for not going along with the idea!

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I really feel for those who cant afford to pay their Bill's because they cant work. A lot of self employed people or people who run small businesses are getting fucked hard. UIA only covers so much. I've seen at least 3 local businesses run by immigrants totally shut down for good and more are on the way.

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