Board 8 > Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1358

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Smash 4 (2015g) VS Persona 4 (2015g)

Smash 4 has a strength of 30.96.
Persona 4 has a strength of 25.16.

Smash 4 wins with 59.37% of the vote!
A win of 11,404 with 60,875 total votes cast.

Mario Galaxy (2015g) VS Persona 4 (2015g)

Mario Galaxy has a strength of 30.71.
Persona 4 has a strength of 25.16.

Mario Galaxy wins with 59.04% of the vote!
A win of 11,002 with 60,875 total votes cast.

Just how strong is P4G (, RDR and GTA5)? It's making SSBU look like SSB4 and SMO look like SMG. This is assuming SSBU is not getting any SFF on Xenobalde but SFF'd SMO badly.
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Stooge1969 posted...

has any game ever scored over 70% in a quarterfinal?

i mean in the 4 packs Oot and FF7 scored 70% on most games.

Team Rocket Elite posted...

Smash 4 (2015g) VS Persona 4 (2015g)

Smash 4 has a strength of 30.96.
Persona 4 has a strength of 25.16.

Smash 4 wins with 59.37% of the vote!
A win of 11,404 with 60,875 total votes cast.

Mario Galaxy (2015g) VS Persona 4 (2015g)

Mario Galaxy has a strength of 30.71.
Persona 4 has a strength of 25.16.

Mario Galaxy wins with 59.04% of the vote!
A win of 11,002 with 60,875 total votes cast.

Just how strong is P4G (, RDR and GTA5)? It's making SSBU look like SSB4 and SMO look like SMG. This is assuming SSBU is not getting any SFF on Xenobalde but SFF'd SMO badly.

ultimate is obviously stronger than smash 4.

smo and smg im not sure about

theres more reason for Sff between SMO and Smash than xenoblade because theyre on the same system. Like how OoT would SFF mario 64 harder than a mario wolrd

Leon lets see those 5 minute xstats for for division 3 and 4 for the Lols.

Also, just looking at the leaderboard again...LMS is really #4 right now -- tied for second place and one point behind first.

What in the world...?

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Hey 15 ppl above me on the leaderboard

How many of you have Skyrim > Witcher

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I am a firm believer that Galaxy has been underrated (or has boosted), BUT SMO is definitely stronger based on polls. Really I still think SSBU=SMO indirectly, just look at how wacky the division 3 x-stats look for that.

Also P4 is unquestionably stronger (just look at it through RDR, which you would expect to boost since 2015), and even though it probably shouldnt be, P4G=P4.

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How did Xenoblade got to the last 8 ? The view was fixed , couldn't even turn around.

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Dreamgamer_lgbt posted...

How did Xenoblade got to the last 8 ? The view was fixed , couldn't even turn around.

It got more votes than Splatoon 2, Overwatch, Fire Emblem: Three Houses, and Persona 4 Golden.

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HaRRicH posted...

Also, just looking at the leaderboard again...LMS is really #4 right now -- tied for second place and one point behind first.

What in the world...?

People give LMS stick. Some of it may be deserved. But he does know his stuff, and has gotten way better over the years. He deserves respect.

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Also play Xenoblade with a classic controller.

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I don't know HOW a boring survival open-world game, with all that genre's frustrating trappings, and utterly fails to pay respect to its series, is beating one of the greatest RPGs ever made.
There's utterly nothing enjoyable about Breath of the Wild. It's empty, slow, filled with unnecessary limitations (stamina, weapon and shield fragility, temperature gauge) and tedious grinding for resources, and extremely repetitive due to the countless aesthetically-identical shrines and the countless Korok seeds. It also doesn't pay any credence to the "Legend of Zelda" name it dishonestly bears; there's only a small number of tools Link gets rather quickly, and Legend of Zelda ISN'T a survival series.

Mass Effect 2, meanwhile, is a fantastic RPG that exceeds all expectations. It's got a wonderful story, deep and interesting characters, meaningful choices, excellently-designed locations, enjoyable gameplay...it's got it all. It's best if one plays through ME1 first, of course, and transfers their save through to ME2, but as a standalone game it's brilliant. In my eyes, ME3 tops it in gameplay and story progression (notably not having forced progression, like ME2 does - after doing a certain number of missions in ME2, the Illusive Man calls and forces Shepard to visit a new place. I'd prefer to do all the sidequests I can before progressing, thanks), but Mass Effect 2 is still utterly brilliant.

That just baffles me, how so many people can prefer yet another open-world survival game over one of the best RPGs ever.

Also, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate has no singleplayer content - Classic Mode and All-Star Mode have both been butchered and turned practically unrecognisable, and the World of Light is tedious trash.
Xenoblade Chronicles is a very good singleplayer game, except filled with MMO-like systems that bring it down from being "truly excellent" - the equipment system, sheer number of Quests, collectible grinding, and the amount of permanently-missable content being its biggest flaws.

Akira_Kurusu22 posted...

I don't know HOW a boring survival open-world game, with all that genre's frustrating trappings, and utterly fails to pay respect to its series, is beating one of the greatest RPGs ever made.
There's utterly nothing enjoyable about Breath of the Wild. It's empty, slow, filled with unnecessary limitations (stamina, weapon and shield fragility, temperature gauge) and tedious grinding for resources, and extremely repetitive due to the countless aesthetically-identical shrines and the countless Korok seeds. It also doesn't pay any credence to the "Legend of Zelda" name it dishonestly bears; there's only a small number of tools Link gets rather quickly, and Legend of Zelda ISN'T a survival series.

Mass Effect 2, meanwhile, is a fantastic RPG that exceeds all expectations. It's got a wonderful story, deep and interesting characters, meaningful choices, excellently-designed locations, enjoyable gameplay...it's got it all. It's best if one plays through ME1 first, of course, and transfers their save through to ME2, but as a standalone game it's brilliant. In my eyes, ME3 tops it in gameplay and story progression (notably not having forced progression, like ME2 does - after doing a certain number of missions in ME2, the Illusive Man calls and forces Shepard to visit a new place. I'd prefer to do all the sidequests I can before progressing, thanks), but Mass Effect 2 is still utterly brilliant.

That just baffles me, how so many people can prefer yet another open-world survival game over one of the best RPGs ever.

Also, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate has no singleplayer content - Classic Mode and All-Star Mode have both been butchered and turned practically unrecognisable, and the World of Light is tedious trash.
Xenoblade Chronicles is a very good singleplayer game, except filled with MMO-like systems that bring it down from being "truly excellent" - the equipment system, sheer number of Quests, collectible grinding, and the amount of permanently-missable content being its biggest flaws.

keep crying kid

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HaRRicH posted...

Respect.

How many accounts did you submit this year and what's your range of scores?

15 different accounts for the Second Chance contest. I focused most heavily on Smash/Mario, Dark Souls/Skyrim, and The Witcher 3/Persona 5 as the most important matches to get correct in order to correctly predict the winner of all 15 matches. I also had a few brackets attempt to consider the possibility of RE2 > ME2 and The Witcher 3 winning the entire contest through a rally.

The current range of scores for my Second Chance bracket entries is 278 to 376.
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Akira_Kurusu22 posted...

I don't know HOW a boring survival open-world game, with all that genre's frustrating trappings, and utterly fails to pay respect to its series, is beating one of the greatest RPGs ever made.
There's utterly nothing enjoyable about Breath of the Wild. It's empty, slow, filled with unnecessary limitations (stamina, weapon and shield fragility, temperature gauge) and tedious grinding for resources, and extremely repetitive due to the countless aesthetically-identical shrines and the countless Korok seeds. It also doesn't pay any credence to the "Legend of Zelda" name it dishonestly bears; there's only a small number of tools Link gets rather quickly, and Legend of Zelda ISN'T a survival series.

Mass Effect 2, meanwhile, is a fantastic RPG that exceeds all expectations. It's got a wonderful story, deep and interesting characters, meaningful choices, excellently-designed locations, enjoyable gameplay...it's got it all. It's best if one plays through ME1 first, of course, and transfers their save through to ME2, but as a standalone game it's brilliant. In my eyes, ME3 tops it in gameplay and story progression (notably not having forced progression, like ME2 does - after doing a certain number of missions in ME2, the Illusive Man calls and forces Shepard to visit a new place. I'd prefer to do all the sidequests I can before progressing, thanks), but Mass Effect 2 is still utterly brilliant.

That just baffles me, how so many people can prefer yet another open-world survival game over one of the best RPGs ever.

Also, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate has no singleplayer content - Classic Mode and All-Star Mode have both been butchered and turned practically unrecognisable, and the World of Light is tedious trash.
Xenoblade Chronicles is a very good singleplayer game, except filled with MMO-like systems that bring it down from being "truly excellent" - the equipment system, sheer number of Quests, collectible grinding, and the amount of permanently-missable content being its biggest flaws.

Is this a copypasta?

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I do find it hilarious when people think the stats topic is the place to rant on the games on a personal level.

And this is coming from someone who poured more hours on Splatoon 2 than anything else in the contest combined.

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Dreamgamer_lgbt posted...

How did Xenoblade got to the last 8 ? The view was fixed , couldn't even turn around.

xenoblade has been one of the stars of the contest. Smash is is luck to be in the same match as xenoblade. One is a highly respected rpg and the other is an overhyped character reveal simulator

Akira_Kurusu22 rated the difficulty of The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild (NS) as "Unforgiving"

lol

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I want to see this copypastad for each day left of the contest, with the names and features changed.

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Akira_Kurusu22 posted...

I don't know HOW a boring survival open-world game, with all that genre's frustrating trappings, and utterly fails to pay respect to its series, is beating one of the greatest RPGs ever made.
There's utterly nothing enjoyable about Breath of the Wild. It's empty, slow, filled with unnecessary limitations (stamina, weapon and shield fragility, temperature gauge) and tedious grinding for resources, and extremely repetitive due to the countless aesthetically-identical shrines and the countless Korok seeds. It also doesn't pay any credence to the "Legend of Zelda" name it dishonestly bears; there's only a small number of tools Link gets rather quickly, and Legend of Zelda ISN'T a survival series.

Mass Effect 2, meanwhile, is a fantastic RPG that exceeds all expectations. It's got a wonderful story, deep and interesting characters, meaningful choices, excellently-designed locations, enjoyable gameplay...it's got it all. It's best if one plays through ME1 first, of course, and transfers their save through to ME2, but as a standalone game it's brilliant. In my eyes, ME3 tops it in gameplay and story progression (notably not having forced progression, like ME2 does - after doing a certain number of missions in ME2, the Illusive Man calls and forces Shepard to visit a new place. I'd prefer to do all the sidequests I can before progressing, thanks), but Mass Effect 2 is still utterly brilliant.

That just baffles me, how so many people can prefer yet another open-world survival game over one of the best RPGs ever.

Also, Super Smash Bros. Ultimate has no singleplayer content - Classic Mode and All-Star Mode have both been butchered and turned practically unrecognisable, and the World of Light is tedious trash.
Xenoblade Chronicles is a very good singleplayer game, except filled with MMO-like systems that bring it down from being "truly excellent" - the equipment system, sheer number of Quests, collectible grinding, and the amount of permanently-missable content being its biggest flaws.

the only thing i agree on is smash. It has no business being in the company of these gsmes

BOTW
Me2
xenoblade
witcher 3
persona 5
skyrim
dark souls

all great games worthy of being GOTD. Smash is the odd one out.

MithosLowell posted...

Leon lets see those 5 minute xstats for for division 3 and 4 for the Lols.

It's going to be a while longer because I'm not at home at the moment.

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MithosLowell posted...

xenoblade has been one of the stars of the contest. Smash is is luck to be in the same match as xenoblade. One is a highly respected rpg and the other is an overhyped character reveal simulator

I admit xenoblade had great story, but how can it be respected ? It was so uncomfortable to play , it felt like going backwards in the evolution of open 3d space in a game.

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SSBU is the best game remaining in this contest (that I've played) and ya'll are lucky SSB4 didn't get enough nominations to land a low seed and score quick upsets on some other games.

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HaRRicH posted...

SSBU is the best game remaining in this contest (that I've played) and ya'll are lucky SSB4 didn't get enough nominations to land a low seed and score quick upsets on some other games.

I really wish we did have SSB4, because although it's floor is still pretty high, it's prime upset material for respected midcarders like NieR or anything from the non-Mass Effect side of Division 2.

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I thought Ultimate would be up higher than this due to two Nintendo games splitting votes.

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So, how we doing on perfect 50s thus far (49 for Xenoblade may apply)? I got ME2 and Dark Souls.

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HaRRicH posted...

SSBU is the best game remaining in this contest (that I've played) and ya'll are lucky SSB4 didn't get enough nominations to land a low seed and score quick upsets on some other games.

smash 4 would be losing in this match probably. Noone cares about the wii u anymore

and thats your opinion fair enough. Smash for me if the worst game by a country mile.

still a good game despite having horrible single player story mode but its fun. I get it.

but when you compare it to the other games its not on the same planet

if this game didnt have a bunch of popular characters from non nintendo games it wouldnt be where it is.

For the record, right now BOTW would be projected to get 59.34% on MGS3.

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_SecretSquirrel posted...

I really wish we did have SSB4, because although it's floor is still pretty high, it's prime upset material for respected midcarders like NieR or anything from the non-Mass Effect side of Division 2.

nah allen did well. We dont need the bracket filledup with iterative trash.

Leonhart4 posted...

For the record, right now BOTW would be projected to get 59.34% on MGS3.

thats pretty good. MGS3 is a beast. But i also think ME2 is weaker than 2015

i think mgs3 would get 56-57

Dreamgamer_lgbt posted...

I admit xenoblade had great story, but how can it be respected ? It was so uncomfortable to play , it felt like going backwards in the evolution of open 3d space in a game.

Im guessing based on your previous post you played it with the Wii remote, to which I again say... play it with the classic controller. The views not fixed at all. It would solve your problem entirely.

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Leonhart4 posted...

For the record, right now BOTW would be projected to get 59.34% on MGS3.

So it's looking to be slightly stronger than Majora's Mask then.

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Leonhart4 posted...

For the record, right now BOTW would be projected to get 59.34% on MGS3.

Pretty good result for BotW if it can hold this.

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could Galaxy beat Brawl today?
could 3d world beat smash 4?


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Galaxy yes. 3d world hell no

3d world would be weak as fuck

While I'm utterly pissed Halitosis of the Wild made it to the finals - it's an incredibly boring game that forces limitations onto the player, and doesn't live up to previous "Legend of Zelda" games like Twilight Princess, The Wind Waker, A Link Between Worlds, Majora's Mask and Link's Awakening - I'm also upset about some other losses.

Back when Bravely Default was released, and for a good few years afterwards, I absolutely adored that game; I saw it as one of the best JRPGs, with deep combat, wonderful characters, a great narrative, and wonderfully-designed locations. However, recently, I've become able to see just how tedious and repetitive it gets, both trying to fully level every Job, and the lategame. So while I don't like Monster Hunter - I see that series as yet another resource-grinder, something I don't have the patience for - I can see how Bravely Default lost to it. Not happy about it, but this loss I can understand.

Don't get how Halitosis of the Wild beat Dragon Quest XI, either. Disgusting.

Also, Horizon: Zero Dawn beating Borderlands 2. How? The latter, from what I can tell, has the more engaging gameplay, better characters, and has male player characters; Borderlands 2 should have won.

DOOM vs Resident Evil 2...is this the original DOOM, or 2016's DOOM (or, as some call it, "DOOM 4")?

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate beating A Link Between Worlds is rubbish. One's a multiplayer-focused game with nothing to offer solo players (whether they're solo by choice, or not), while the other is a wonderful, fleshed-out singleplayer game with so much to offer. Not happy with this outcome either.

Octopath Traveller beating Undertale makes no sense either. The first game has a very bland story with uninteresting characters and a poor man's take at Bravely Default combat; the second game has excellent characters, fun gameplay, and three different endings. How did the first game win?

I am glad Super Mario Galaxy 2 lost to Witcher 3, though; the vast majority of Wii games are unplayable garbage due to a dependency on dysfunctional motion controls, and the Galaxy duo have their own design failures to boot (such as limiting Mario to 3 HP, being quite linear, and having unlikeable characters - looking at you, Rosalina).

I hope Persona 5 wins. It's, once again, a fantastic JRPG with (mostly) wonderful characters, narrative, locations, etc.

I'm not happy Xenoblade Chronicles 2 lost to Batman: Arkham City, of all things. The latter's slow and dull, while the former has wonderful characters, combat, narrative and locations. Sure, it does have its flaws (gacha, some Affinity Chart nodes, a handful of Quests, etc.), but it's still a much more enjoyable time than Arkham City ever was.

Lastly, Pokemon HeartGold (as in, back when Pokemon was actually great and worth purchasing and playing, though Black/White 2 are much better than HeartGold/SoulSilver) vs Skyrim. Err...the latter has a largely empty open-world, gets repetitive, has limited stamina (though thankfully not weapon/shield fragility), and an overabundance of Quests. Oh, and is incredibly buggy, even now - despite being rereleased on practically every single console imaginable.
How could it beat HeartGold/SoulSilver, which have a much more concise design, a smaller and much more memorable world, more enjoyable gameplay, and almost no programming flaws?

Lolruz posted...

could Galaxy beat Brawl today?
could 3d world beat smash 4?

Galaxy vs. Brawl is a toughy. I could see it being close, but I think Brawl would still have it.

3D World not a chance against Smash 4 tho.

Wonder if those Mario Switch ports this year will make a difference if they happen.
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How the hell am I now on top of the leader board (second chance)? I lost 9 points yesterday, thought that would drop me down to the 20-30 range at best.

I'll have to celebrate it now though, as I'm having a shocker today, and won't be anywhere near the top tomorrow. It has taken me 18 years to get to #1, so you better believe it's a good feeling to finally take the top spot, even for 1 day.

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Lightning Strikes posted...

Im guessing based on your previous post you played it with the Wii remote, to which I again say... play it with the classic controller. The views not fixed at all. It would solve your problem entirely.

Didn't know there's a difference.

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What about Galaxy vs Twilight Princess today? TP's reception has decreased a lot in recent years

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Akira_Kurusu22 posted...

DOOM vs Resident Evil 2...is this the original DOOM, or 2016's DOOM (or, as some call it, "DOOM 4")?

You tell me. Was the original DOOM released this decade?

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What the fuck is Halitosis of the wild?

also you talk about limitations on the player then list TP as a better zelda game. Good trolling.

wiimotes are awful in general for anything thats not a super casual party game.

HaRRicH posted...

Also, just looking at the leaderboard again...LMS is really #4 right now -- tied for second place and one point behind first.

What in the world...?

LMS would actually be the favorite to win Guru, tied with azuarc, if he was actually competing in it!

Akira_Kurusu22 posted...

Horizon: Zero Dawn beating Borderlands 2. How? The latter, from what I can tell has male player characters; Borderlands 2 should have won.

Just highlighting this in case anyone thinks that post is serious.

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Ringworm posted...

How the hell am I now on top of the leader board (second chance)? I lost 9 points yesterday, thought that would drop me down to the 20-30 range at best.

I'll have to celebrate it now though, as I'm having a shocker today, and won't be anywhere near the top tomorrow. It has taken me 18 years to get to #1, so you better believe it's a good feeling to finally take the top spot, even for 1 day.

Congrats! Just how bad is your pick today? I suspect you can stay on the Top 50 if you score at least 35 points so I'm kinda scared at what your answer might be if you are so certain you've messed up.
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Lolruz posted...

What about Galaxy vs Twilight Princess today? TP's reception has decreased a lot in recent years

Nah, TP would still beat Galaxy pretty easily.

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Sharinnegan posted...

wiimotes are awful in general for anything thats not a super casual party game.

agreed. Horrible console

Akira_Kurusu22 posted...

While I'm utterly pissed Halitosis of the Wild made it to the finals - it's an incredibly boring game that forces limitations onto the player, and doesn't live up to previous "Legend of Zelda" games like Twilight Princess, The Wind Waker, A Link Between Worlds, Majora's Mask and Link's Awakening - I'm also upset about some other losses.

Back when Bravely Default was released, and for a good few years afterwards, I absolutely adored that game; I saw it as one of the best JRPGs, with deep combat, wonderful characters, a great narrative, and wonderfully-designed locations. However, recently, I've become able to see just how tedious and repetitive it gets, both trying to fully level every Job, and the lategame. So while I don't like Monster Hunter - I see that series as yet another resource-grinder, something I don't have the patience for - I can see how Bravely Default lost to it. Not happy about it, but this loss I can understand.

Don't get how Halitosis of the Wild beat Dragon Quest XI, either. Disgusting.

Also, Horizon: Zero Dawn beating Borderlands 2. How? The latter, from what I can tell, has the more engaging gameplay, better characters, and has male player characters; Borderlands 2 should have won.

DOOM vs Resident Evil 2...is this the original DOOM, or 2016's DOOM (or, as some call it, "DOOM 4")?

Super Smash Bros. Ultimate beating A Link Between Worlds is rubbish. One's a multiplayer-focused game with nothing to offer solo players (whether they're solo by choice, or not), while the other is a wonderful, fleshed-out singleplayer game with so much to offer. Not happy with this outcome either.

Octopath Traveller beating Undertale makes no sense either. The first game has a very bland story with uninteresting characters and a poor man's take at Bravely Default combat; the second game has excellent characters, fun gameplay, and three different endings. How did the first game win?

I am glad Super Mario Galaxy 2 lost to Witcher 3, though; the vast majority of Wii games are unplayable garbage due to a dependency on dysfunctional motion controls, and the Galaxy duo have their own design failures to boot (such as limiting Mario to 3 HP, being quite linear, and having unlikeable characters - looking at you, Rosalina).

I hope Persona 5 wins. It's, once again, a fantastic JRPG with (mostly) wonderful characters, narrative, locations, etc.

I'm not happy Xenoblade Chronicles 2 lost to Batman: Arkham City, of all things. The latter's slow and dull, while the former has wonderful characters, combat, narrative and locations. Sure, it does have its flaws (gacha, some Affinity Chart nodes, a handful of Quests, etc.), but it's still a much more enjoyable time than Arkham City ever was.

Lastly, Pokemon HeartGold (as in, back when Pokemon was actually great and worth purchasing and playing, though Black/White 2 are much better than HeartGold/SoulSilver) vs Skyrim. Err...the latter has a largely empty open-world, gets repetitive, has limited stamina (though thankfully not weapon/shield fragility), and an overabundance of Quests. Oh, and is incredibly buggy, even now - despite being rereleased on practically every single console imaginable.
How could it beat HeartGold/SoulSilver, which have a much more concise design, a smaller and much more memorable world, more enjoyable gameplay, and almost no programming flaws?

k

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was it really necessary to quote that entire post just for that

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