Board 8 > Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1362

(+) Yeah! (+)

I guess you could have a PS1/PS2 semifinals as that one debated match.

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PS2 has always won Best Sony Console POTDs around here.

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PS1/PS2 and SNES/Switch as semifinals.

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I know it's been said ad nauseam, but I really want a character battle contest without Link. Nobody can break 40% on Link through conventional means these days (and if you do, congrats, you got...41%), but the others all seem so close together now. Cloud is probably #2 but he's so vulnerable, though admittedly probably less so post-remake.

People have been saying "get rid of Link!" for years and the response was always "but then you have to get rid of Cloud, Sephiroth, Mario, etc", but that was when there was a very clear hierarchy in the n9. I don't think it's there as much anymore, is it?

I would like a character battle with an actual debatable winner. It's a pretty rare thing. I think prior to 2013 we had that, with the possibility of Snake winning if him, Mario and Link had all made the final, but that was quickly nixed. The final is the most valuable match and it's never really up for debate in a character contest as long as Link is there, he just wins - or a rally makes any pre-contest debate meaningless.

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I was perfectly happy with the way 2018 did it. Just no Link is fine too, though.
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Man, it still pisses me off that what should have been the best contest ever (CB9) quickly turned into the worst contest ever. Anyone who stands up for rallies is on drugs

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I'm fine with removing Link from the main bracket (we've already done it, what, three times?), but I wouldn't want him removed from the contest entirely.
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Yeah, just give us a match at the end. It's not like the other Link matches are super interesting.
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Mac Arrowny posted...

I was perfectly happy with the way 2018 did it. Just no Link is fine too, though.

Yeah that's what I'm saying. You can do a totally gimmick free contest: no ToC, no double-elimination special bracket at the end, no three-ways designed to bring down Link, etc, with just one exception - no Link. 64 entrant bracket, no Link.

2018 was fine, but it all feels like a compromise to avoid getting rid of characters entirely, just like 2005 and 2006. But now it's not about characters, plural. It's about one character. Put him in the bonus match, whatever, but get rid.

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Watching Link destroy everything is tradition.

Again, arbitrarily removing characters is the dumbest thing you can do because where do you draw the line? Aside from GotD1, pretty much every legitimate contest has had an obvious winner, and that's just fine.

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We're conditioned for it to be "just fine" because that's how it's always been, but the final match is the most valuable match points-wise, which is a completely pointless thing to do if the winner is going to be so obvious every time.

Removing Link is anything but "arbitrary", I'm not saying it has to happen every contest, and I already said - the line is drawn already. There is only one character that stands so far ahead of the field now. Yes, that argument made sense when Cloud was clearly #2, Sephiroth was clearly #3, and Mario was clearly #4. It became useless to fully remove Link, because it would just shift the problem to Cloud. That is quite clearly no longer the case.

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pjbasis posted...

That's why we need to rerun it!

Ocarina still hasn't won a 1v1 contest!

Leonhart4 posted...

And it should be forced to bear that shame forever.

https://board8.fandom.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VII_vs_The_Legend_of_Zelda%3A_Ocarina_of_Time_2009

Keep Link but make all his pictures Deku Link from Majora's Mask.

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keep Link but swap his pictures with the opponent's for all of his matches.

Put CD-i Zelda Link in all matches and make sure his name reads "CD-i Link". Let's see how far his fanbase goes.

And if he wins hey at least it's a specific Link that wins this time.

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@creativename

Looking over the match pics for the season.

http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery/albums/gotd2/8035-1-1.jpg is a duplicate of the previous round's match pic and needs to be replaced with

https://gamefaqs1.cbsistatic.com/images/contest/gotd-r5/botw-_SecretSquirrel.png

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Nintendogs posted...

https://board8.fandom.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_VII_vs_The_Legend_of_Zelda%3A_Ocarina_of_Time_2009

Bonus match. Doesn't count. 2009 wasn't a 1-on-1 contest.
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ctesjbuvf posted...

I've seen people here wanting a new series contest.

I voted for a new Series Contest myself. We've come a long way since 2006 and have way more options for expanding the field from 32 entrants to 64 entrants. When combined with multiple matches per day, we could easily go through the contest quickly. A 64 entrant bracket can be completed in 31 days with a format of 4-2-1-1-1-1 for matches per day in each round. 31 days was the length of the first Series Contest.

As for Villains, I'd only be on board with it if we can have Darth Vader in the contest.
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I mean, are we all that excited about the prospect of Assassin's Creed vs. Animal Crossing? Or Mass Effect vs. Ace Attorney? I feel like we can add more series to this thing, but how many of these new series would be capable of winning more than one match in a 64-entrant contest?

(I know it would depend on bracket placement but yeah)
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Also, piggybacking on what XIII was talking about earlier, you can at least argue for someone other than Sephiroth winning another Villains Contest nowadays, especially after his embarrassing 2018 showing.

Zelda will crush everything harder than it did in 2006.
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i suggested this before but make a small series bracket (32) and do it round robin style where every series faces every other series in their group and the two with most wins in each group advance to the top 16 where it turns into a regular single elimination tournament.

this will create a far higher number of interesting matchups than a big bracket with a bunch of fodder

I think if we did another series contest we'd have to remove Zelda/have it as the special final match. That'd make it at least a little interesting up top.
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LeonhartFour posted...

I mean, are we all that excited about the prospect of Assassin's Creed vs. Animal Crossing? Or Mass Effect vs. Ace Attorney? I feel like we can add more series to this thing, but how many of these new series would be capable of winning more than one match in a 64-entrant contest?

(I know it would depend on bracket placement but yeah)

I'm not sure if I know who wins Assassin's Creed vs Animal Crossing

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Animal Crossing definitely wins that.

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I think AC definitely wins that match.

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Series would always come down to Zelda and FF. The older FF stuff will still be enough to get it past everything else.

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shane15 posted...

Series would always come down to Zelda and FF. The older FF stuff will still be enough to get it past everything else.

No way. Zelda is so above the pack its not even funny.

Meanwhile, Mario was nipping at FF's heels in 2006, and FF has only declined since, whereas Mario added the Galaxy games and Odyssey, so it's stock is much higher.

If FF is going even with any of the elite series now, it just might be Smash for third place.

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_SecretSquirrel posted...

I think AC definitely wins that match.

I'm glad someone followed along with the joke!
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I haven't read the last 200+ posts, but I'm sure you're all talking about today's poll of what contest you might prefer next.

Seeing Game of the 1990's up there (along with something I never said before: the purge-rate shift from two years ago) really makes me wonder Does Allen listen to The Show?!

If that's the case, though, I wonder what he has to say about my idea of dividing Link into 8 or so pieces and make them face Division Winners.

Adult Link*
Young Link*
Toon Link
Classic Link
Twilight Princess Link
CD-i Link
Dark Link
Breath of the Wild Link

*I'm dividing OoT's Link into 2 since they may be too OP if crammed into one (although you could make a case for them being 2 validly by taking Smash's roster into account), plus it gives room for unpredictability.

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Allen reads the Stats Topics, at the very least, and I know we've discussed a '90s Game of the Decade several times.
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Reposting preliminary adjusted stats from last night:

https://pastebin.com/CNN815Y1

And to respond to comments on it...

ctesjbuvf posted...

I think Luster estimated the Persona 5 rallies to be 300-600 votes ftr.

Ah. I'll take a look at it then.

ctesjbuvf posted...

Yo KP, another question. You adjusted God of War, did you also adjust ME3 and/or ACO?

No. I have nothing to adjust them against - ACO is new and ME3's 2015 value is worthless. Any number I could make up would be arbitrary, and while I could maybe pull something random like setting ME3 equal to 40% of ME2's strength or something, the chances of us seeing ME3 in a contest again are super slim anyway.

squexa posted...

SMG2 looking stronger since 2015 seems strange. Just how high upward did you set Witcher 3? From my calculations, it should be around FFX in strength, which matches SMG2's 2015 xstats relatively well. The issue with setting Witcher 3 even higher is that MGSV will start looking boosted from 2015 and that's more problematic than SMG2.

Witcher got adjusted down, not up. Even after that, SMG2 ranks higher than a lot of its contemporaries from 2015. In the current version of the adjusted stats it cleanly beats Mass Effect 2 despite losing to Mass Effect 1 way back when...although it's probable that there's not much difference between 1 an 2.

transcience posted...

90s gotd winning this poll is pretty funny.

those KP stats feel like Witchers entire side is too high. not sure what I would do other than take stats with a grain of salt like I usually do.

Witcher's side might be overrated. The current adjustment is based on gauging Registered/Unregistered split versus how the Registered/Unregistered split for WItcher 3 and BotW shook out in the past to find out how rallying there was Witcher 3 in the finals. The problem with this is that Witcher 3 might also have overperformed in the Registered voters due to GameFAQs rebelling against the obvious winner. I was hesitant to make arbitrary adjustments based on that theory, but if multiple people are of the opinion that Witcher 3 should be lower in the adjusted stats than it already is then I might look into it more.

Mac Arrowny posted...

Only thing that stands out to me there is that you adjusted The Last of Us above Link Between Worlds.

The Last of Us was already above A Link Between Worlds, thanks to SFF. The adjustment you see is me setting Bayonetta to around DMC5's level and pushing ALBW up based on that.

Actually, what do people think? Bayonetta vs. DMC5? Last of Us vs. ALBW? Witcher 3 still overrated? How many licks to the center of a tootsie pop?

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The poll today is almost identical to a recent board poll with only series added I think, but it was suggested in the topic. I'm thinking he saw that.

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Would LoZ even see a villains boost? I mean Ganondorf doesnt really have reasons to be stronger. Even if FF has fallen I could see Sephiroth still winning villains again. By the time it even comes out part 2 of 7R might be almost out

swordz9 posted...

Would LoZ even see a villains boost? I mean Ganondorf doesnt really have reasons to be stronger. Even if FF has fallen I could see Sephiroth still winning villains again. By the time it even comes out part 2 of 7R might be almost out

By the time 7R part 2 comes out Sephiroth might not be eligible for the Villains Contest!

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Advokaiser posted...

I haven't read the last 200+ posts, but I'm sure you're all talking about today's poll of what contest you might prefer next.

Seeing Game of the 1990's up there (along with something I never said before: the purge-rate shift from two years ago) really makes me wonder Does Allen listen to The Show?!

If that's the case, though, I wonder what he has to say about my idea of dividing Link into 8 or so pieces and make them face Division Winners.

Adult Link*
Young Link*
Toon Link
Classic Link
Twilight Princess Link
CD-i Link
Dark Link
Breath of the Wild Link

*I'm dividing OoT's Link into 2 since they may be too OP if crammed into one (although you could make a case for them being 2 validly by taking Smash's roster into account), plus it gives room for unpredictability.

As I said before CD-i Link is all we'd need.

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Persona 5 was getting the same hentai rallies and 20~30 upvote topics that persona 4 had been getting on all of its matches. i dont think its significant enough to warrant adjustment. and even if it is, at that point you might as well just consider these mini rallies part of its natural strength

Witcher 3 also had topics on reddit mind you. througout this contest almost every game ended up trying to rally after the bloodborne thing happened. i think you should only adjust for rallies when they have a very obvious, very measurable impact (like Bloodborne itself, or the final match)

Need to get Linkle in the next character contest.

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how about best butt in gaming

can 2B beat BotW Zelda?

will PS4 Spiderman emerge as a dark horse?

does Link just win anyways because he's Link?

Sharinnegan posted...

how about best butt in gaming

can 2B beat BotW Zelda?

will PS4 Spiderman emerge as a dark horse?

does Link just win anyways because he's Link?

Bayonetta or bust.

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_SecretSquirrel posted...

Bayonetta or bust.

Snake or bust

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We just need something Zelda can't win.

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shane15 posted...

We just need something Zelda can't win.

then you're probably better off going best boobs rather than best butt
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I'm not convinced Zelda would beat Zero Suit Samus!

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I feel like Bayonetta should beat DMC5 just because it's the older game and had more of an impact here. Not sure it'd be a big victory though.
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Was the registered user bonus switched off for this poll? Cause those votals are really low even for a bonus match.

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Yes, there's no registered user bonus in effect for this poll. Which was definitely a mistake because I wanted to see it here just for consistency with the rest of this contest.
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LeonhartFour posted...

then you're probably better off going best boobs rather than best butt

hyrule warriors lets the zelda series win even though it's just a spinoff

no escape from zelda!

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WarThaNemesis2 posted...

I'm not convinced Zelda would beat Zero Suit Samus!

But she could!
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shane15 posted...

We just need something Zelda can't win.

https://tenor.com/es/ver/phoenixwright-phoenix-wright-thinking-aceattorney-gif-10033463

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LusterSoldier posted...

Yes, there's no registered user bonus in effect for this poll. Which was definitely a mistake because I wanted to see it here just for consistency with the rest of this contest.

You should see if Allen can at least get the numbers for registered users, so we can at least calculate what it would be.

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