Board 8 > JoJo Mafia Topic 5: Vento Aureo

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I will point out scare had a fairly weak power. If sceptile is scum RB that would have been a favorable exchange

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masterplum posted...

This is a good observation, but I think sceptile is scum too which makes that day not matter and its possible he bussed red

Good point though.

hard to imagine sceptile, who's been super conspicuous all game, has a stronger power than what Scare had but I suppose anything is possible.

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masterplum posted...

I will point out scare had a fairly weak power. If sceptile is scum RB that would have been a favorable exchange

changmas posted...

hard to imagine sceptile, who's been super conspicuous all game, has a stronger power than what Scare had but I suppose anything is possible.

ok maybe i'm just dumb and flat out wrong then

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I dont know if conspicuous is related to how strong someones mafia power is. Only the best players usually adjust that at all.

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I wouldn't be against a mass claim.

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Also bolt has followed Han in both instances, and it has been shown that whoever Han votes pretty much gets into the lead this game

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changmas posted...

ok maybe i'm just dumb and flat out wrong then

I wouldnt call you dumb. I can see how scares power would seem strong.

we know scum has a RB because abacus was blocked N1. That would absolutely be a stronger power. Scum could have a second kill they havent used for .... some reason. That would be stronger than scare.

The issue with scares power FYI is that being a passive power its hard to get better than a one for one with it. Best bet is you get doc saved but that is pretty hard as scum. If a cop scans you sure you know it but you also got scanned guilty which means the cop is probably going to claim anyways.

I would expect in most games it isnt going to be super valuable, compared to RB for instance which is going to be excellent.


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Leanansidhe posted...

I don't think Bolt is scum, but dude you're collapsing with like, one vote

I think if Sceptile was this amazing scum role, his team would have tried to save him at literally any point D2.

eh, I wouldnt have as scum. Sceptile has been so limp how do you defend that?

not saying its impossible he is town but I think he is undefendable

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MZero posted...

Also bolt has followed Han in both instances, and it has been shown that whoever Han votes pretty much gets into the lead this game

Completely overlooking the part where I tried to get a Scare train started myself earlier in the day.

Ok, yeah. I'm convinced MZero is scum at this point folks. This is multiple times he's either left out pieces of my play or intentionally misconstrued what I said in order to get me lynched. He's also one of the few players who remembers me enough from past games to know how I play. I'm done with it.

##Vote: MZero
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Is bolt always this angry?

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How the hell have y'all gotten reads off these few posts? I am bad at this

Also, I am pretty sure Zero and Bolt are town.

IGCD appears to be town - since there are ones that can appear as town I can't guarantee, but I'd say that Diavalo is the only one who does. I'm gonna believe he is town! (I visited him)

Sceptile was suspicious, but he seemed to have so little drive that it seemed sincere.

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masterplum posted...

I wouldnt call you dumb. I can see how scares power would seem strong.

we know scum has a RB because abacus was blocked N1. That would absolutely be a stronger power. Scum could have a second kill they havent used for .... some reason. That would be stronger than scare.

The issue with scares power FYI is that being a passive power its hard to get better than a one for one with it. Best bet is you get doc saved but that is pretty hard as scum. If a cop scans you sure you know it but you also got scanned guilty which means the cop is probably going to claim anyways.

I would expect in most games it isnt going to be super valuable, compared to RB for instance which is going to be excellent.

That makes sense. It's not really up to Scare himself to make the power good, it's more luck-based in the sense that he has no control over it, even though it could potentially be game-winning in the right circumstances.

I'd still tend to doubt Sceptile is a roleblocker just based on his play though.


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masterplum posted...

Is bolt always this angry?

Yes.

And we have yet to see how he plays as scum.

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What was your action result abacus

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Abacus, who did you target night 1 and 2 and why.

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masterplum posted...

Is bolt always this angry?

Did you not see how I responded to Sultan earlier? I've been trying to keep from blowing up at MZero for two days, giving him my best possible explanation for my actions and he's not stopped riding my fucking jock about it. Frankly I'm done dealing with him entirely this game
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masterplum posted...

What was your action result abacus

ViolentAbacus posted...

IGCD appears to be town - since there are ones that can appear as town I can't guarantee, but I'd say that Diavalo is the only one who does. I'm gonna believe he is town! (I visited him)

I think he's saying he visited IGCD and he showed not suspicious

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Was there any talk of Yasuho Hirose, so far in game, I ask because I feel like I remember the name being mentioned and I am curious as to why?

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Night one was Death and that action failed. Reason why was mainly because Corrik and Bolt were both suspicious of him.

IGCD switched play heavily between day one and two, which may have forced the change since one of the main Scum died, so checked him. He seems to be town.

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Was there any talk of Yasuho Hirose, so far in game, I ask because I feel like I remember the name being mentioned and I am curious as to why?

Lea claims she can visit a person each night and detect if they are Yasuho
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Oh cool. So scum probably didnt block abacus and instead shot him thinking the doctor would save Han again and the doc saved Abacus.

Thats hilarious

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masterplum posted...

Oh cool. So scum probably didnt block abacus and instead shot him thinking the doctor would save Han again and the doc saved Abacus.

Thats hilarious

Holy shit you're right xD

Idk who the doc is but you're second MVP after Han man. Good fucking job
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##unvote

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Lea, now that I am confirmed town you can visit me.

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Taking my vote off bolt for now while I assess. I agree his voting record looks good.

also Chang is good at mafia he should play more

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Oh duh

just realized that Lea might not be renamed vanilla. She is vanilla with downside because if she had targeted scare it would have blipped him

combined with Lea being tunneled by scare she is nearly confirmed town


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I targeted IGCD last night also.

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##vote: Lea

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Leanansidhe posted...

Oh I blipped Scare alright.

IGCD, I claimed D1, why this now?

I didnt realize I was the character you're looking for. I didnt read my name just my stand and whether or not I was power. I was just reading my PM again and I thought I remembered my name being mentioned.

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masterplum posted...

Taking my vote off bolt for now while I assess. I agree his voting record looks good.

also Chang is good at mafia he should play more

:)

I'll probably play in the future whenever I see a flavor I like

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who everyone voted for at the end of d1 and d2, if this is helpful for anyone else to see like this:

1. Damion - IGCD, no one
2. Lea - Red, Scare
3. Plum - Red, Sceptile
4. Ben - Red, Sceptile
5. Han - Red, Scare
6. IGCD - Lea, Damion
7. Death - no one, Sceptile
8. Abacus - Lea, Scare
9. Sultan - Damion, Damion
10. Puns - Lea, Sceptile
11. Corrik - Death, Scare
12. MZero - no one, Scare
13. Sceptile - Puns, Scare
14. Chang - Red, Scare
15. Bolt - Red, Scare

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Based on that list, the only ones who haven't voted for either of the scum lynches and some of my thoughts on them. Certainly it's still possible that scum voted their own up but I wouldn't be surprised if someone didn't vote for either.

Damion (afk day 2, mostly reasonable excuse and seems more plausible that he would accidentally afk as town than intentionally afk as scum)

IGCD (cleared by Abacus, good enough for me)

Death (I still believe his claim when Corrik baited him, beginning of Day 2)

Sultan (Really just thinks Damion is scum, which isn't completely unreasonable, though I'd like to hear his thoughts on other players)

Puns (now this right here is a suspicious man. Here's his full voting history from Day 1: Bolt, Sceptile, Plum, Lea, Sceptile, Bolt, Lea. And then only Sceptile Day 2.If Sceptile ends up being town, this doesn't look too great for him. Definitely need to press him on reads besides Sceptile today)

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Agree puns looks suspicious

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Chang, I'm not saying it's bad info, it might be nice to have and look at every now and then. I will say that you should have dead people on there as well whether they are town or scum because that still gives info in itself. Just straight end of day votes isn't super helpful though imo because it has no context or anything behind it. I know one thing people like to do is post full end of day votals and they'll highlight both town and scum. That way you can see every vote made by everyone throughout the day for some context and also so you can see where the confirmed people were voting to glean info from that.

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I disagree Damion. I think it is fine as a jumping off point

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Hell, you ninja'd me with that write-up. I agree that I like your play and we definitely need a Community mafia in the future to make sure you come back.

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DamionDL posted...

Chang, I'm not saying it's bad info, it might be nice to have and look at every now and then. I will say that you should have dead people on there as well whether they are town or scum because that still gives info in itself. Just straight end of day votes isn't super helpful though imo because it has no context or anything behind it. I know one thing people like to do is post full end of day votals and they'll highlight both town and scum. That way you can see every vote made by everyone throughout the day for some context and also so you can see where the confirmed people were voting to glean info from that.

Point noted. In this context though, with only two people dead and both of them scum, it didn't feel super necessary to explicitly highlight that. It's not too hard to remember Red & Scare are both lynched scum. But if I continue this in the future I will change and do that.

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Oh yeah, no, I get that. It was more that having confirmed Scum's votes would also be informative I think.

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I could see it being something off the wall like Corrik/Sultan as the remaining scum. Maybe swap Bolt in there if we're feelin' spicy. That is assuming it isn't just the absolute snoozefest of Sceptile/Damion.

DamionDL posted...

Oh yeah, no, I get that. It was more that having confirmed Scum's votes would also be informative I think.

Gotcha.

Red - Lea
Scare - Lea, Corrik (switched Corrik -> Lea in the last 10 mins of day 1)


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Okay, so we know that scum was pushing Lea at least somewhat. Makes me feel better about Lea.

##Vote: Puns

You seem pretty confident that there are just two scum left in 17.

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changmas posted...

Gotcha.

Red - Lea
Scare - Lea, Corrik (switched Corrik -> Lea in the last 10 mins of day 1)

Actually in retrospect Puns' end of Day 1 is quite interesting.

7:43, puns votes for Lea.

7:54, puns votes for Sceptile

7:58, puns swaps back to Lea. This also happens to be 90 seconds after Scare swaps from Corrik to Lea


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Hbthebattle posted... VOTALS:
Red - 5 - Lea, Han, Bolt, (Ben), Chang, Plum
Lea - 3 - (Scare), (Plum), IGCD, (Bolt), Abacus, puns
Bolt - 2 - (Han), (Puns), (Lea), Red, (Scare), (Plum), (Sultan), (Sceptile), (IGCD), (puns)
Puns - 2 - (IGCD), Sceptile, Ben
Damion - 1 - (IGCD), (Death), (Han), (Bolt), (Lea), Sultan
Death - 1 - Corrik, (Bolt), (IGCD)
IGCD - 1 - Damion
Corrik - 1 - (Plum), (Scare), (Chang), (Scare), Scare
Sultan - 0 - (Bolt), (Bolt)
Sceptile - 0 - (Han), (Puns), (Ben), (Lea), (Bolt), (Scare), (Chang), (Han)
Han - 0 - (IGCD)
Chang - 0 - (Damion)
Plum - 0 - (IGCD), (Death), (Puns), (Abacus)
Ben - 0 - (Lea), (Sultan), (Damion), (Bolt)
Abacus - 0 - (Damion)

Day ends in roughly 10 minutes!

turbopuns3 posted...

##unvote
##vote: sceptile

Choo choo

In fact these posts were 3 mins apart, where he....jumped on the Sceptile "train" consisting of a total of...0 people on it at that time.

Yep that's enough for me.

##Vote: Puns


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I also am fine with killing Puns

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And I want to think Sceptile is still scum too because I need my perfect voting record.

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I dont see how town sceptile exists

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Thoughts:

1. Damion- Was AFK all weekend which I suppose is not unreasonable if a bit BM. But it could also explain why scum team seemed so disjointed.
2. Lea- Looks ok, nothing really to say here.
3. Plum- Probably town unless he goes back to trying to lynch obvious townies
4. Ben- I think this is the second quietest Ben game I've seen. In his quietest he was town.
5. Han- Han
6. IGCD- Abacus says he scans clean. What are the odds scum has two Godfathers? Given the flavor setup I would not be surprised to see it but I know it is extremely uncommon
7. Death- Very probably town. His logic has been clean and once we got him and Corrik separated he's been doing work.
8. Abacus- Unless we're being 4 dimensional chess mindfucked definitely town. If not town then we lynch IGCD immediately and win
9. Sultan- Has been pretty quiet. I'd like to hear more from him before making a call.
10. Puns- Looking pretty scummy
11. Corrik- Corrik
12. MZero- I tried to make allowances for him but his raging hate boner for me definitely makes me think he's scum, objectively. Its like he's not even looking at anything else and I've explained his queries patiently repeatedly. I am out of patience.
13. Sceptile- I'm used to town Sceptile being this level of lukewarm tbh.
14. Chang- Putting in work. Almost definitely town
15. Bolt- Bolt
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changmas posted...

In fact these posts were 3 mins apart, where he....jumped on the Sceptile "train" consisting of a total of...0 people on it at that time.

Yep that's enough for me.

Vote: Puns

Calling for a last minute lynch is a rather common and often effective practice as you witnessed Day 2. What's your issue with me trying to lynch sceptile, exactly?