Board 8 > Rise of Skywalker is the worst movie I've ever seen in my life *Spoilers*

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The idea that TLJ left nothing open is mind-boggling to me.

Criticise it if you want but I've never quite got that one.

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Watch Foodfight!

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The movie was doomed from the first sentence of the scrawl.

The fact that they had the audacity to go back to the emperor well was plain stupid.

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Should have played Fortnite if you wanted to go into episode 9 all caught up.

XIII_rocks posted...

The idea that TLJ left nothing open is mind-boggling to me.

Criticise it if you want but I've never quite got that one.

I think they more mean that the set-ups from The Force Awakens had been completely dashed. Otherwise I agree fully and I didn't even like TLJ much.

In fairness however, I think Abrams and Terrio might have been worried that the divisive fan reception to TLJ would have made a direct follow-up a tough sell, but then that only underlines the issue with not having a concrete plan for the trilogy. As far as I can tell, the reason it was done that way was to provide the filmmakers with more creative freedom since the MCU had gotten caught up in some controversy regarding filmmakers like Patty Jenkins and Edgar Wright getting pushed out because they didn't agree with the studio's plans (made to look even worse when they directed two of the most acclaimed films of 2017 in Wonder Woman and Baby Driver) and then Jon Favreau and Joss Whedon refusing to direct any further MCU movies due to clashes with Marvel Entertainment on Iron Man 2 and Age of Ultron respectively. This coincided with Phase 2 largely not being as well-received as Phase 1, so the idea of deliberately not planning out the trilogy and producer Kathleen Kennedy taking a hands-off approach to let her auteurs play around reads like a knee-jerk reaction to the MCU's growing pains.

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I didn't know about the clashes with Favreau and Whedon. What did they clash about?

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FFDragon posted...

The movie was doomed from the first sentence of the scrawl.

The fact that they had the audacity to go back to the emperor well was plain stupid.

The first sentence is legitimately the best part of the entire movie. Complain about whatever else you want, that was the part that felt the most faithful to the roots of Star Wars in Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers.

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barreldragon88 posted...

I didn't know about the clashes with Favreau and Whedon. What did they clash about?

Mostly higher-ups at Marvel trying to set up later films more overtly from what I gather.

Between Iron Man 2 and The Jungle Book, Favreau directed the movie Chef which was meant to parallel his experience directing Iron Man 2.

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Yeah, Marvel rushed Iron Man 2 out without a script even being finalized, with the intent to focus it entirely on setting up for The Avengers with little to no care to the actual Iron Man plot, which Favreau was not a fan of.

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Either way, with Star Wars instead of filmmakers clashing with the studio, they clashed with each other.

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No wonder IM2 was so meh

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3 > 6 > 4 > 9 > 8 > 7 > 5 > RO > S > 2 > 1

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Whiskey_Nick posted...

3 > 6 > 4 > 9 > 8 > 7 > 5 > RO > S > 2 > 1

Well that is certainly a ranking alright.

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Prestnun posted...

Has anyone ever noticed that OP hasn't posted ONE TIME in this topic since it started?

What do you expect him to say though? He was being hyperbolic and everyone jumped down his throat as per usual.

And yeah the sequel trilogy sucks but the prequels already killed Star Wars a long time ago. People complain about Solo bc we didn't need his origin story... but the prequels were even worse in that regard. I don't know it's weird to me

and I really need to stop getting sucked into this argument I'mma tumble away now

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Yeah this series has just been a victim of its own success twice over. Many of the people who complain vocally about the sequel trilogy never disliked the prequels in the first place though.

The whole deal about the trilogy not being planned ahead of time, well you know all those instances where a movie is meant to start a trilogy but then it doesn't happen because the first movie underperforms, like say Lost in Space, Independence Day: Resurgence, The Predator, or the recent Terminator films? The Star Wars sequel trilogy is probably what that kind of trilogy would look like.

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I haven't liked the sequel trilogy from the start, and I haven't watched Ep IX yet, but this has got to be a huge exaggeration or you haven't seen enough bad movies.

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I think a lot of people here are missing one or both of two key points:

1) Most people don't intentionally go watching bad movies

2) Most people don't go into a Star Wars movie expecting to see an outright bad movie

As far as the defying of expectations go, ep 9 could very well be the more disappointing movie to some, even if there are technically worse movies out there.

@Philip027

Jesus Christ why did you bump this god awful topic?

I'm not entirely sure, actually. I think for some reason this was showing on my forum list as a "hot" topic, but now that I see how old it is I have no idea why that would have been the case.

In any case, sorry about that

Philip027 posted...

2) Most people don't go into a Star Wars movie expecting to see an outright bad movie

don't see why they wouldn't - it's not like the track record of star wars movies has been that amazing. star wars is not the MCU.

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Well keep in mind many of those people don't dislike the prequels.

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don't see why they wouldn't - it's not like the track record of star wars movies has been that amazing. star wars is not the MCU.

I didn't say they were all amazing quality; just that overall, most people don't expect a Star Wars movie to be outright bad. It's a big name with a big budget and everything, and even if the plot is sometimes in "ehhhh" territory, you can usually still expect to get a flashy action flick.

Philip027 posted...

you can usually still expect to get a flashy action flick.

I mean RoS was this at least.

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to be fair the thinking was there's no way to make something as bad as the PT, and for that really low bar people were excited to see Star Wars put out something good again

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

don't see why they wouldn't - it's not like the track record of star wars movies has been that amazing. star wars is not the MCU.

MCU has a track record of releasing bad and uninteresting movies!

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

MCU has a track record of releasing bad and uninteresting movies!

I mean, when you release 25-30 movies in ten years, a few of them are going to be bad! I don't know if I'd call it a "track record" when it's a small percentage of their overall list of movies.

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Leonhart4 posted...

I mean, when you release 25-30 movies in ten years, a few of them are going to be bad! I don't know if I'd call it a "track record" when it's a small percentage of their overall list of movies.

60% isn't small

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Eh, I'd say you're looking at at least 25% of MCU movies being considered below quality, on average across people.

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I mean:

Iron Man 2
Age of Ultron
Hulk
Thor
Thor 2
Iron Man 3

That's 6 easy. Then you'll have varied opinions across the board on who thinks other movies aren't good, like the Ant-Mans, Captain 1 and 3, Iron Man 1, Captain Marvel, people who are weird and think Ultron is good, etc

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I feel like the ones that are consistently considered bad are Thor 2 and Hulk. I almost always see those at the bottom of anyone's list. The rest have their fans to varying degrees, or at least they wouldn't be considered outright bad by most.

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

MCU has a track record of releasing bad and uninteresting movies!

true but most of those were released early in the universe's history. pre-avengers 1 MCU wasn't much to write home about.

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Leonhart4 posted...

I feel like the ones that are consistently considered bad are Thor 2 and Hulk. I almost always see those at the bottom of anyone's list. The rest have their fans to varying degrees, or at least they wouldn't be considered outright bad by most.

Those are the worst, but I still wouldnt even call those two outright bad. Theyre mediocre at worst.

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I would hope that most people are rational enough to consider Iron Man 2 and Ultron bad, but I know Ultron gets forgiven for some reason.

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Ultron gets forgiven for being an Avengers movie.

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age of ultron is decent. obviously it's the weakest avengers movie but i don't get why people think it's so bad.

i feel like the hate for the movie is some weird recent thing. i don't remember it being that despised at all when it was just released.

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I don't remember a single person saying a good thing about Ultron when it was released. If anything, it was utterly forgettable.

The hate comes from watching it, and realizing it is a bad movie.

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oh btw

HanOfTheNekos posted...

That's 6 easy. Then you'll have varied opinions across the board on who thinks other movies aren't good, like the Ant-Mans, Captain 1 and 3, Iron Man 1, Captain Marvel, people who are weird and think Ultron is good, etc

there are people who think civil war sucks? i thought that one was pretty universally loved.

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HanOfTheNekos posted...

I don't remember a single person saying a good thing about Ultron when it was released. If anything, it was utterly forgettable.

The hate comes from watching it, and realizing it is a bad movie.

Doug Walker liked Age of Ultron. I think he said he preferred it to the original.

He's a huge MCU fanboy though. The only Marvel movies he doesn't like are Hulk, Iron Man 2, The Dark World, and Captain Marvel.

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yeah, both of the walker brothers liked it. i think there were some other positive reviews as well (should look it up to remember, though).

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

oh btw

there are people who think civil war sucks? i thought that one was pretty universally loved.

It's pretty easy to dislike the movie once you realize there is no civil war in it.

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sounds like the Walker brothers aren't worth listening to then lol

there are plenty of people who dislike civil war, as well. I enjoyed it but I can understand thinking it's pointless

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SPOILERS

The movie was bad. Obviously not one of the worst ever but the worst Star Wars movie for sure. I mean they bring bad Emperor as the Big Bad. Do I need to say more? After 2 movies that we haven't heard anything about him now suddenly he is the Big Bad AND he had been orchestrated everything for more than 30 years and he has build all these ships. Sure. Oh and he was a Clone too. Yeah.

How even 1 fan of the series can support this movie I don't get it.

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@XenogearsDisc2 @Philip027

All of this drama is caused by two users - that don't even post as regulars on the GameFAQS Contests Message Board. Good job.

Hey, I was on Se7en's top 1000 Board 8 users. I made quite the impression on him!

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Safer_777 posted...

SPOILERS

The movie was bad. Obviously not one of the worst ever but the worst Star Wars movie for sure. I mean they bring bad Emperor as the Big Bad. Do I need to say more? After 2 movies that we haven't heard anything about him now suddenly he is the Big Bad AND he had been orchestrated everything for more than 30 years and he has build all these ships. Sure. Oh and he was a Clone too. Yeah.

How even 1 fan of the series can support this movie I don't get it.

What really gets me is how out of the sequel trilogy, it's The Last Jedi that is often held up as emblematic of everything wrong with it and not Rise of Skywalker. But to be fair TLJ is slower-paced and puts more emphasis on its fan-unfriendly aspects so there.

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Ultron introduced the badass that is Scarlet Witch. Therefore, movie can't be bad

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to be fair, i do understand age of ultron has its flaws.

• ultron himself sucks
• the bruce banner/black widow romance sucks (this is never fixed in the later movies, really)
• the direction they went in with hawkeye sucks

these flaws weren't enough to totally ruin the movie for me but if they are for other people, i get it.

i'm not sure why this movie gets so much flak for ultron being a bad villain, though... like, villains have never been the strong suit of the MCU.

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James Spader was great as Ultron.

The problem was that it stole all of the original Avengers storybeats but made them less interesting.

I generally stil like it. Hell I probably like it as much as Endgame!

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

to be fair, i do understand age of ultron has its flaws.

* ultron himself sucks
* the bruce banner/black widow romance sucks (this is never fixed in the later movies, really)
* the direction they went in with hawkeye sucks

these flaws weren't enough to totally ruin the movie for me but if they are for other people, i get it.

i'm not sure why this movie gets so much flak for ultron being a bad villain, though... like, villains have never been the strong suit of the MCU.

There are plenty of movies where the villain is completely unimportant or forgettable, but Ultron is the worst case of the villain being actively bad.

Of course, I wouldn't call those 3 things the only flaws of the movie, but I've made my thoughts clear.

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Mr Lasastryke posted...

to be fair, i do understand age of ultron has its flaws.

* ultron himself sucks
* the bruce banner/black widow romance sucks (this is never fixed in the later movies, really)
* the direction they went in with hawkeye sucks

these flaws weren't enough to totally ruin the movie for me but if they are for other people, i get it.

i'm not sure why this movie gets so much flak for ultron being a bad villain, though... like, villains have never been the strong suit of the MCU.

I thought people liked Thanos

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