Poll of the Day > Vocal gun owners are the biggest cowards on earth

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Imagine talking all that game about using your weapons stockpile to fight against the government after they start harming their citizens and then doing nothing when cops are shooting protestors.

Theyre all talk. Or they really meant that they were only going to fight when the colord folk do something bad.

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PK_Spam posted...

Theyre all talk. Or they really meant that they were only going to fight when the colord folk do something bad.

Or they'll fight over something that effects them personally, not rioters.
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I would argue that police agitating, arresting, and attacking peaceful protestors is something that concerns everyone.

Or the National Guard being called to protect against unarmed civilians

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PK_Spam posted...

Imagine talking all that game about using your weapons stockpile to fight against the government after they start harming their citizens and then doing nothing when cops are shooting protestors.

Imagine thinking an AR-15 is gonna do anything against a drone strike.

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Very TRUE

whos to say those "vocal gun owners" arnt the ones currently running down and shooting cops?

Gun owners typically have issue with federal overreach, not local law enforcement or everything government. Gun owners promote the law, not vigilantism and full scale retaliation. Nothing in their rhetoric would ever suggest they'd go to war with police over misconduct.

You're all talk too expecting others to fight a battle you want fought. Coward.

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PK_Spam posted...

Imagine talking all that game about using your weapons stockpile to fight against the government after they start harming their citizens and then doing nothing when cops are shooting protestors.

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1) Cops aren't just "shooting protestors;" in fact, I was trying to find one example to show why the claim is flawed and I can't even find that (unless you're misleadingly trying to conflate non-lethal armaments with lethal ones). One article mentioned a 21 y/o shot during the riots in Detroit, but it turns out not to have anything to do with cops. The only people shot and killed in citizen-cop interactions have, unsurprisingly, been cops themselves (well, a guy working security for the government, but close enough).
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/29/866022166/protests-spread-nationwide-on-fourth-night-after-minneapolis-death-of-george-flo

So just more #fakenews

2) Not all vocal gun owners are anti-government, and some who are merely don't trust government to protect them. As such, they keep their guns *specifically* for times like these when looters might attack their home or store.

3) "Vocal gun owner" in your context seems to be code for conservative, who are more likely to support the police in this matter.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Or they'll fight over something that effects them personally, not rioters.

Also this.

PK_Spam posted...

I would argue that police agitating, arresting, and attacking peaceful protestors is something that concerns everyone.

Or the National Guard being called to protect against unarmed civilians

Police arresting rioters is something that concerns everybody, because it needs to be done unless you want widespread property destruction, theft, and murder. If there was widescale rioting in my city, I sure as fuck would want the national guard there. And these were just peaceful protests, you wouldn't have the national guard called in. How many times were the national guard called in during the Occupy Wall Street movement?

YoukaiSlayer posted...

Imagine thinking an AR-15 is gonna do anything against a drone strike.

Imagine thinking the US government would launch a drone strike in a city with civilians everywhere. If the US is using drones against its own population, the military will start turning on itself and the government will be overthrown. More importantly, drones are less effective than other methods when you already have an infrastructure controlling an area, which is one reason why you've *never* seen a drone used against a mass shooter.

Beyond that, the AR-15 and similar weapons are incredibly effective and guerrilla warfare (cue meme) has been absurdly effective against larger occupying forces, which is why the US had so many problems in Vietnam (where drones would have done no better) and other places

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If people were using assault rifles against police and military in large enough numbers to seriously threaten the military, they'd use drone strikes and tanks against them. It'd be no different from how the US deals with it in other countries.

My point being that any handheld firearm is not going to help you overthrow the government if it ever comes to that. Either you won't have enough people and they'll gun you down or you will have enough people that it's easy to blow you up with minimal civilian casualties. There's no reality where a few thousand people with personal firearms effectively threatens the US military.

The limiting factors in foreign warfare that makes guerilla warfare work to some degree is our ability to leave. Eventually our own people don't want us dying in a foreign war. In a fight to protect our own countries government from what would be deemed terrorist rebel groups, you never have a reason to leave or use insufficient force.

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I can't believe TC is arguing for more violence. Shameful.

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

If people were using assault rifles against police and military in large enough numbers to seriously threaten the military, they'd use drone strikes and tanks against them. It'd be no different from how the US deals with it in other countries.

Except the world would condemn the US and if it didn't back down, NATO and all it's associated countries would invade the US as peacekeepers.
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PK_Spam posted...
Vocal gun owners are the biggest cowards on earth

...says the man behind the keyboard.

GOT 'EE

YoukaiSlayer posted...

If people were using assault rifles against police and military in large enough numbers to seriously threaten the military, they'd use drone strikes and tanks against them. It'd be no different from how the US deals with it in other countries.

My point being that any handheld firearm is not going to help you overthrow the government if it ever comes to that. Either you won't have enough people and they'll gun you down or you will have enough people that it's easy to blow you up with minimal civilian casualties. There's no reality where a few thousand people with personal firearms effectively threatens the US military.

The limiting factors in foreign warfare that makes guerilla warfare work to some degree is our ability to leave. Eventually our own people don't want us dying in a foreign war. In a fight to protect our own countries government from what would be deemed terrorist rebel groups, you never have a reason to leave or use insufficient force.

Are you forgetting that people have been overthrowing governments for almost as long as governments have exists? They always have better technology but people get it done still

Every government, including every government we have today, will fall eventually

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Except the world would condemn the US and if it didn't back down, NATO and all it's associated countries would invade the US as peacekeepers.

I don't think NATO would full on invade the us, they would probably just provide some support to the rebels like france did in the revolutionary war

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YoukaiSlayer posted...

Imagine thinking an AR-15 is gonna do anything against a drone strike.

Gun rights in the USA have absolutely nothing to do with the ability to repel their own government anymore. It's been over 100 years since that was true.

Gun rights activists in the USA want the ability to live out their mercenary wet dreams without actually having the brains, physical fitness, or testicular fortitude to actually do so. The weapons manufacturers (already making immense wealth off the US government's extreme military budget) lobby the government to double dip on their sales by selling to civilians as well.

The US doesn't need to attack their own civilians, they'll do it to themselves. Your tax money goes to bailing out billionaire buddies of politicians on both sides of your political "spectrum" (lmao) while everyone is distracted because even the most useless, racist, dipshit of a human being can get a job as a police officer in the USA.

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