Current Events > In 4 months Trump has fucked up a pandemic response and has widespread rioting

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Let's forget all of the shit he did between 2017 and the beginning of 2020, that alone should be enough to convince you not to vote for him. He is incompetent to lead the country.

He didn't kill George Floyd but the buck stops with him. The tensions that he's raising between races and classes in America, him jokingly encouraging the police to be forceful at police union rallies, his nonchalant tolerance of radical white supremacist groups, abusive cops, and military personnel that kill innocent civilians in the middle east has gotten us to this point right here.

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Trump can be criticized for 10 million things, but,

cmiller4642 posted...

He didn't kill George Floyd

it's a huge leap to say he's responsible for the rioting. Nothing Trump tweets is affecting the severity of the riots.


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Phantom36 posted...

it's a huge leap to say he's responsible for the rioting. Nothing Trump tweets is affecting the severity of the riots.

He basically told police to open fire on their citizens to keep order. He wants a police state.

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Phantom36 posted...

Trump can be criticized for 10 million things, but,

it's a huge leap to say he's responsible for the rioting. Nothing Trump tweets is affecting the severity of the riots.

Trump has openly fueled the fires of the authoritarian reactions by the police.

The union leader of the Minneapolis Police department who called George Floyd a violent criminal and said that his 4 officers should face 0 charges is a well known Trump supporter and has spoken at his rallies in Minneapolis.

Joe Arpaio who tortured people who were being held for trial in Phoenix Arizona by forcing them into 140 degree tents and force feeding them expired food was pardoned by Trump

Phantom36 posted...

Trump can be criticized for 10 million things, but,

it's a huge leap to say he's responsible for the rioting. Nothing Trump tweets is affecting the severity of the riots.

There is not one thing you can point out as responsible for the riots, it's a combination of factors and Trump is one of them.

Trump went hard after Kaepernick, never bothering to address the message. That was a peaceful protest and it was ignored completely.

Now that the riots are happening, he's not trying to calm things down, he's calling for violence and had a peaceful protest attacked to do a terribly tone-deaf photo-op. He tear gassed the members of the Church he was going to. You can't make this up.

So if Trump is responsible for the Floyd riots, who do we blame for the protesting and rioting after Mike Brown in 2014? Or Baltimore in 2015? I just think its funny how everyone is pointing fingers at Trump for the current situation, while Obama is never mentioned in the same breath as the violent protests during his administration.


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scorpion41 posted...

So if Trump is responsible for the Floyd riots, who do we blame for the protesting and rioting after Mike Brown in 2014? Or Baltimore in 2015? I just think its funny how everyone is pointing fingers at Trump for the current situation, while Obama is never mentioned in the same breath as the violent protests during his administration.

Obama didn't do shit to directly address the situation either. He had some kind words but didn't do anything.

Donald Trump has no kind words and isn't doing shit as far as actions go. I know people like you will worship anything DT does like he's a demigod or something, but dropping teargas on peaceful protesters just so you can go take a picture holding a bible is not the answer to these things.

To be honest I don't care about either nominee I am just voting for the Supreme Court.

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scorpion41 posted...

So if Trump is responsible for the Floyd riots, who do we blame for the protesting and rioting after Mike Brown in 2014? Or Baltimore in 2015? I just think its funny how everyone is pointing fingers at Trump for the current situation, while Obama is never mentioned in the same breath as the violent protests during his administration.

It's keeps falling back on the concept that Trump isn't calling for peace, he's calling for more violence and appears to be adding fuel to the fire.

But he's not really. The riots would be just as violent completely regardless of Trump's social media post, regardless of who is president.

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scorpion41 posted...

So if Trump is responsible for the Floyd riots, who do we blame for the protesting and rioting after Mike Brown in 2014? Or Baltimore in 2015? I just think its funny how everyone is pointing fingers at Trump for the current situation, while Obama is never mentioned in the same breath as the violent protests during his administration.

Well now it seems clear that politicians had managed to contain a potential explosion of riots across the country until now lmao

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Look....Trump has his problems. He can and should be doing better.

But to lay these riots on him? For eight years, a black man was President, with a black Attorney General. There were so many incidents that led to protests and riots during those eight years....no one has ever laid the blame on those guys. And if THOSE GUYS couldnt start a systemic change to our police institutions, how the fuck is Donald Trump going to?

jedisamurai posted...

Look....Trump has his problems. He can and should be doing better.

But to lay these riots on him? For eight years, a black man was President, with a black Attorney General. There were so many incidents that led to protests and riots during those eight years....no one has ever laid the blame on those guys. And if THOSE GUYS couldnt start a systemic change to our police institutions, how the fuck is Donald Trump going to?

He should just sit back and encourage police to beat the fuck out of college kids in the street right?

Trump is amazing though, He brought back the plague from 1918, the unemployment rate from 1928, and the race war from 1968 all in one go!

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jedisamurai posted...

Look....Trump has his problems. He can and should be doing better.

But to lay these riots on him? For eight years, a black man was President, with a black Attorney General. There were so many incidents that led to protests and riots during those eight years....no one has ever laid the blame on those guys. And if THOSE GUYS couldnt start a systemic change to our police institutions, how the fuck is Donald Trump going to?

Stop it, you're making too much logical sense!


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Phantom36 posted...

It's keeps falling back on the concept that Trump isn't calling for peace, he's calling for more violence and appears to be adding fuel to the fire.

But he's not really. The riots would be just as violent completely regardless of Trump's social media post, regardless of who is president.

In what universe is the President giving orders to the police to open fire on American citizens not making the situation significantly worse?

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cmiller4642 posted...

He should just sit back and encourage police to beat the fuck out of college kids in the street right?

So...i tell you that Trump has issues, and he should be doing better. And this is the response? Yeah good job bud

cmiller4642 posted...

Obama didn't do shit to directly address the situation either. He had some kind words but didn't do anything.

Donald Trump has no kind words and isn't doing shit as far as actions go. I know people like you will worship anything DT does like he's a demigod or something, but dropping teargas on peaceful protesters just so you can go take a picture holding a bible is not the answer to these things.

Given the antagonistic nature of some of the protestors, getting in peoples faces or charging them, dispersing the crowd probably saved people from severe beatings and worse.

But, anyway like you said: Obama was a total pacifist on the issue. Once the protests quieted down the issue of police brutality was never brought to light again until Kaep started his silent protest, with questionable intent at the time. Obama passed the buck off and no one shits on him for it.

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jedisamurai posted...

So...i tell you that Trump has issues, and he should be doing better. And this is the response? Yeah good job bud

He's not fit to be President.

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Phantom36 posted...

Trump can be criticized for 10 million things, but,

it's a huge leap to say he's responsible for the rioting. Nothing Trump tweets is affecting the severity of the riots.

Trump is clearly a massive catalyst you darwinian nightmare.

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DirkDiggles posted...

He's not fit to be President.

I didnt say he was. That's not the argument. Just that blaming him for systemic police brutality against blacks that started long before he became President, and in turn blaming him for rioting, is downright fucking stupid.

jedisamurai posted...

I didnt say he was. That's not the argument. Just that blaming him for systemic police brutality against blacks that started long before he became President, and in turn blaming him for rioting, is downright fucking stupid.

Fanning the flames sure isn't helping at all though. Every President would try to calm the potestors down instead Trump says "Stop it or I'll sick my military on you!"

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EnragedSlith posted...

Trump is clearly a massive catalyst you darwinian nightmare.

Remove Trump from the equation, a different president in office with same exact events, and I guarantee the severity of the riots is exactly the same, as evidenced by the fact that were similar riots under the Obama administration for similar events.

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Phantom36 posted...

Remove Trump from the equation, a different president in office with same exact events, and I guarantee the severity of the riots is exactly the same, as evidenced by the fact that were similar riots under the Obama administration for similar events.

DirkDiggles posted...

Fanning the flames sure isn't helping at all though. Every President would try to calm the potestors down instead Trump says "Stop it or I'll sick my military on you!"

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cmiller4642 posted...

He is incompetent to lead the country.

Oh yeah? Well then how do you explain this...



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Phantom36 posted...

Remove Trump from the equation, a different president in office with same exact events, and I guarantee the severity of the riots is exactly the same, as evidenced by the fact that were similar riots under the Obama administration for similar events.

You're not very smart, are you? You keep on repeating yourself even though the opposing side is talking about Trump's behavior. Regardless if you believe it will help or not, the President's behavior should NOT be to sic on the protesters.

Just stop it dude. You're right, nothing good would come of it regardless of the president but the leader SHOULD NOT be yelling to kill them!

Joffery yelling "KILL THEM ALL" caused the tension to escalate and everyone was out for his head.

Trump is LITERALLY doing the same thing.

dameon_reaper posted...

You're not very smart, are you? You keep on repeating yourself even though the opposing side is talking about Trump's behavior. Regardless if you believe it will help or not, the President's behavior should NOT be to sic on the protesters.

Just stop it dude. You're right, nothing good would come of it regardless of the president but the leader SHOULD NOT be yelling to kill them!

Joffery yelling "KILL THEM ALL" caused the tension to escalate and everyone was out for his head.

Trump is LITERALLY doing the same thing

You don't entirely get it do you? TC implied that Trump is the cause of the riots, I'm simply explaining this notion is incredibly silly, regardless if Trump's behavior is appropriate or not. None of what I'm what I'm saying goes deeper than correcting one goofy outpoint.

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jedisamurai posted...

blaming him for systemic police brutality against blacks that started long before he became President

Literally no one has done this.

jedisamurai posted...

and in turn blaming him for rioting, is downright f***ing stupid.

I haven't seen anyone blame him for the riots starting, but he is absolutely a contributing factor in their continuation, and is 100% responsible for the atrocious response from the government.

Neither one can really be blamed solely on Trump himself, but I guess he should take personal responsibility given all his pre-presidential tweets say he should.

cmiller4642 posted...

is a well known Trump supporter and has spoken at his rallies in Minneapolis.

Let me ask you a question. The mayor or whatever youre talking about, do you think his views started the day trump became president or before? If somebody makes a scumbag remark, like the remark he made that you put in your post, Im gonna wager hes making that scum bag remark no matter whos president. My whole life is sports and its nothing but blaming the player when the coach should be at fault, blaming the coach when the player should be at fault, blaming the coach when its the owner, so on and so forth.

what Im saying is,

Phantom36 posted...

it's a huge leap to say he's responsible for the rioting.

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He hasn't been blamed for the riots in this topic, so it feels like people trying to "defend" Trump on that are just deflecting.

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Mr_Rian posted...

He hasn't been blamed for the riots in this topic, so it feels like people trying to "defend" Trump on that are just deflecting.

Are we so obtuse as to believe that the very title of this topic is not blaming Trump for these events?

I'm not defending Trump himself; Im just arguing against the absolute lunacy of trying to lay the blame for a global pandemic and the violent behavior of both police and rioters on his doorstep. If Hillary (or anybody else) were Prez, as much as I despise her, she would in no way be responsible for these things either.

You cant have it both ways. You cant say that nobody is blaming Trump ITT when the very topic of the title all but says exactly that.

jedisamurai posted...

Are we so obtuse as to believe that the very title of this topic is not blaming Trump for these events?

It objectively isn't. It's saying he's fucked up the response to them.

Machete posted...

Oh yeah? Well then how do you explain this...

Is this an old tweet from the Obama days that you(or someone else) shopped to make it look like it's from 2 days ago?

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Phantom36 posted...

But he's not really. The riots would be just as violent completely regardless of Trump's social media post, regardless of who is president.

That's a lie.

Years of demonizing media, glorifying a police state, and now calling for violence against peaceful protesters have escalated the situation well beyond where they would be if he just fucking shut up.

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ZMythos posted...

That's a lie.

Years of demonizing media, glorifying a police state, and now calling for violence against peaceful protesters have escalated the situation well beyond where they would be if he just fucking shut up.

Don't mind that user. They already have at least one moderation today for a trolling shitpost.
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I don't even know how you can claim to have sentience and still support Trump's shit these days. If 100k+ people dying and one of the bigger riots within a few decades aren't enough, what is? Also being a leader means you are responsible for any mishaps happening in the entire country. If he didn't want to take responsibility, he shouldn't have become president

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