Board 8 > JoJo Mafia Topic 7: JoJoJo-Jo-Jo-JoJo

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ViolentAbacus posted...

I never assumed I would live all night phases?

Also, going by THE DOCTOR'S plan, it literally makes the most sense and is the safest route because - again - we basically test three players in one go.

Same plum who said to redirect changmas last night. Yeah okay.

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Also, I was thinking about it - I'm more suspicious of Lea than Death so it may be better for Corrik (though I don't see him going with it) redirecting Lea and Chang RBing Death - just in case the scum can't be RB'd.

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Corrik7 posted...

Same plum who said to redirect changmas last night. Yeah okay.

I figured that was A - to verify you could redirect, that Chang wasn't going to kill anyone. His recommendation for my to scan you was that you weren't a hidden Scum.

Also, I'm not sure why you're so against the idea - though I'd like everyone else's opinion to see if my thoughts aren't right.

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ViolentAbacus posted...

Also, I was thinking about it - I'm more suspicious of Lea than Death so it may be better for Corrik (though I don't see him going with it) redirecting Lea and Chang RBing Death - just in case the scum can't be RB'd.

I will do things that make sense to do. I don't not do things to spite people. Not lynching the only not in some way confirmed town player at this point is silly to me.

If by a miracle she flips town, it means we inherently have flawed thinking this game. Which means, scanning changmas is in play as well.

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ViolentAbacus posted...

I figured that was A - to verify you could redirect, that Chang wasn't going to kill anyone. His recommendation for my to scan you was that you weren't a hidden Scum.

Also, I'm not sure why you're so against the idea - though I'd like everyone else's opinion to see if my thoughts aren't right.

I am not redirecting someone I know has to be town because I was literally roleblocked by them.

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About as dumb as lynching scanned town here. Lea is literally fighting tooth and nail against being lynched while death, ben, and sultan all were okay with being lynched if it helped town.

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So what's your plan abacus again.

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I'm not being spiteful, I'm trying to think about a what-if scenario where Lea is actually town. In that case it makes sense to test multiple people at once. At worst the game goes on one more night. Almost nothing to lose. I'm not one to be gung-ho about going all in on one plan because, again, if Lea flips town and someone can appear as town we can't trust any of my scans on anyone. But again, I would like to hear Lea, Chang, Sultan, and Death's thoughts on that because I'm willing to go along with the majority if I'm thinking completely wrong.

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What is your plan I asked.

Lynch Ben. Then what

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ViolentAbacus posted...

I would rather kill a townie today, and be able to test three people at once than to risk a mislynch on Lea and get no RB and only have you to trust.

I actually trust Death, but with my plan it would assume Death is the backup killer AND it puts arguably the least important player roll-wise at risk (again, sorry Sultan)

Ben today

We live w/ Me, Corrik ,chang, sultan, death, lea. We do the test w/ the rollblock and redirect. Depending on who dies we end up with some combination with another combination that can free up two people as towns.

E.g. If chang rollblocks Lea and you redirect Death to sultan. Sultan dies.

We have me, corrik, chang, death, lea. We kill Death. (I would recommend Chang predict whomever Corrik redirects, but that can be up for debate).

We are left with Me, Corrik, Chang, Lea. We do the same exact thing where Chang RB lea if the night continues. and Lynch Lea the next day.

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I'd be a hypocrite if I didn't say to stick to plums plan no matter what. Kill me. But make it quickly

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If the person has immunity to my redirect, they likely due to roleblocks also.

Since your plan seems less than clear, let me run a scenario by you and why it doesn't work.

Okay. Let's assume we lynch Ben today.

Ben is Town Vanilla *Pikachu shock*

Abacus scans Lea, the lone unscanned besides Changmas. I mean, who else would abacus scan otherwise?

Changmas roleblocks Death.

I redirect Sultan to idk. Death.

Lea is town! The last scum is impervious to role actions. They kill abacus at night! Day 6 comes up with death Lea sultan changmas and me. Everyone says Lea killed abacus so he wouldn't get his result back when it actually was someone we did target but was impervious. We mislynch Lea.

Now we are Mylo with 3 left.

Sultan, death, and whoever.

But, you let this scenario get there by leaving Lea's obvious mislynch alive the following day.

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And if Chang is scum and you are town, Lea, he gets to Mylo with death and sultan left after you are obviously mislynched tomorrow.

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Lynching Lea today. And scanning and redirecting Chang tonight if she is town is an infinitely better plan imo.

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I actually think I agree with Corrik here. From my perspective:

Town:

Confirmed by me:
Myself
Corrik

Confirmed by Corrik:
Ben

Confirmed by Abacus:
Death
Sultan

And then the last two are Abacus himself and Lea.


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Wait did Lea get roleblocked a night the nightkill went thru like plum said?

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Leanansidhe posted...

How exactly am I being mislynched tomorrow when The Plan is to confirm me tonight, or how am I winning the game as scum, when you exist Corrikeroo? Hell, redirect Chang to me for double the fun

How the fuck would you be confirmed tonight.

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No, if we follow his plan Chang would Roleblock her tonight to see if anyone died - which my plan is based on.

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I would agree with that BUT I don't see why you would try to redirect someone who has also been roleblocked - why two on death. That only really tests two people and not three.

And

If someone is impervious then the person would likely have a message saying the action failed - much like how I failed my first scan on Death.

Anyway I am gonna have to go to bed tomorrow. Depending on what everyone says I'll decide to go w/ Corrik or stick with it. At this point I'm fine debating until it gets closer to 7 EST.

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ViolentAbacus posted...

I would agree with that BUT I don't see why you would try to redirect someone who has also been roleblocked - why two on death. That only really tests two people and not three.

And

If someone is impervious then the person would likely have a message saying the action failed - much like how I failed my first scan on Death.

Anyway I am gonna have to go to bed tomorrow. Depending on what everyone says I'll decide to go w/ Corrik or stick with it. At this point I'm fine debating until it gets closer to 7 EST.

Um, Damion was persistent. You wouldn't have gotten a failed message.

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Also, Lea I was thinking about it scanning him but at the time you and Corrik were much more suspicious - so went with Plum.

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Corrik7 posted...

Um, Damion was persistent. You wouldn't have gotten a failed message.

For you, you wouldn't. But he could still be Roleblocked - at least his night action could have been.

Persistent =/= impervious.

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Okay, in my book there are exactly 3 possibilities:

1. Someone Abacus has scanned is scum but scans innocent. This means Sultan and Death.
2. Abacus himself is scum. If Abacus is in fact scum, he has no choice but to continue scanning everyone as innocent, until there are 3 players left. In this scenario, he can never return a guilty verdict, or he will be lynched immediately the following day.
3. Lea is scum. She is currently the only person in the game (aside from myself) who cannot be confirmed town by any other means.

(a very outside 4th possibility is that Ben is scum but cannot be redirected, but the odds that mafia have two of those seems low to me)

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I do hate when games get to this point where everything is based on actions confirming or deconfirming and there's no room to look for town or scum based on play. I admit I hardly have any motivation to either.

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changmas posted...

Okay, in my book there are exactly 3 possibilities:

1. Someone Abacus has scanned is scum but scans innocent. This means Sultan and Death.
2. Abacus himself is scum. If Abacus is in fact scum, he has no choice but to continue scanning everyone as innocent, until there are 3 players left. In this scenario, he can never return a guilty verdict, or he will be lynched immediately the following day.
3. Lea is scum. She is currently the only person in the game (aside from myself) who cannot be confirmed town by any other means.
(a very outside 4th possibility is that Ben is scum but cannot be redirected, but the odds that mafia have two of those seems low to me)

And what I think would be the best scenario in each of those cases:

1. The most effective course of action here is to lynch Ben, have me roleblock Sultan/Death and have Corrik redirect the other into someone else.
2. Corrik must redirect Abacus to someone. no other action matters here.
3. Lots of options here: we can lynch her, Abacus can check her, Corrik can redirect her or I can roleblock her.

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Though I still stick by both Sultan and Lea being 100% town based on play alone

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Also if the last scum is persistent, you guys are f'd. That's the only potential flaw in the plan. So please remember my 100%town reads on Lea and Sultan if you get to final 3 with either of them. Lel

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And the last thing I want to say before I go is kinda controversial but

ATAB

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PunishedBen posted...

And the last thing I want to say before I go is kinda controversial but

ATAB

disgusting landlord scum

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Tbh i have a hard time believing lea would lynch half her scum team..

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TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Tbh i have a hard time believing lea would lynch half her scum team..

pretty much everyone left would have lynched somewhere between 1/2 to 3/4ths of their scum team. that can't really be a determining factor anymore.

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changmas posted...

pretty much everyone left would have lynched somewhere between 1/2 to 3/4ths of their scum team. that can't really be a determining factor anymore.

Thats a good point too.. like i said i dont nessisarily want to claim but will if i need to, im also okay with dying if i need to.

Might need to re read. I have had some suspicious thoughts about lea early she did litterally claim scum day 1. Grannet she did this before as town but i see her possibly doing it as scum to just cuz people would be like "oh thats just lea being lea". Lea also was very sheepy of Han this game and usually she doesnt do that really i usually consider her my wildcard buddy beaucse we are both basically known not to go with the script as town. Also she honestly couldnt break from sheeping Han cuz it would have looked pretty bad. So i could see where she might be scum.

Ben ive got pretty good vibes from Ben this game but he has been super quiet compared to Ben im games passed.

We need to do like a rundown of actions again like more boldly beacuse i feel im probably missing some

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so from my POV it could only be Lea or Changmas at this point.
Abacus vouches for Corrik who vouches for Ben. So I dont see why we are valuing Changmas' supposed power over the new evidence in favor of Ben.
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I have a question kind of unrelated to everything since I don't know how it works. Can a scum kill a scum, if they were forced into it for their night action?

Also, if everyone else really wants to go for Lea I'll guess I'll go with it.

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See, those were (and still are) my thoughts Lea. You're just way better at articulating them than me!

Also, was curious to see who all Corrik sent - as far as I'm aware no one has been able to prove he's a redirector.

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Leanansidhe posted...

We simply won't know if we YOLO off a cliff to follow Corrik, someone who has done less than me this game and that's saying a lot.

Not sure if serious


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Ironically, Corrik is the only person in this game we actually can trust. Hes the only person who has been independently verified by myself AND by Abacus. So unless he cant be roleblocked and scans innocent (the odds of which have to be unbelievably minuscule), he is 100% confirmed town. And hes the only player that statement can be said about.

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changmas posted...

Ironically, Corrik is the only person in this game we actually can trust. Hes the only person who has been independently verified by myself AND by Abacus. So unless he cant be roleblocked and scans innocent (the odds of which have to be unbelievably minuscule), he is 100% confirmed town. And hes the only player that statement can be said about.

Actually, if Scum can kill Scum the same can most definitely be said about Death as well as he would have to be unredirectable and appear as town.

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ViolentAbacus posted...

Actually, if Scum can kill Scum the same can most definitely be said about Death as well as he would have to be unredirectable and appear as town.

No, because we dont know if he (attempted) to carry out the kill on N1. If he didnt, then Corrik redirecting him wouldnt do anything, obviously.

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At least, if you assume Corrik was telling the truth when he said he sent Death to Damion.

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If Death was a back up, he probably would have put the kill in.

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Ok, so the people we most need to check tonight (including myself), in order are:

Lea
Me

Abacus

Sultan
Ben

Death

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Can we come up with a plan to test Lea, myself, and Abacus all at once?

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