Board 8 > JoJo Mafia Topic 7: JoJoJo-Jo-Jo-JoJo

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Anyone have the flip for red?

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Leanansidhe posted...

Abacus doesn't need to be tested, he is doctor confirmed. He's also gonna die tonight

He is cop. Not doctor. But yeah.

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... you have to realize she meant that Plums confirmed it

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masterplum posted... Ok, I've been mulling it back and forth but I think we have this game 100% locked up if I claim and just direct you guys what to do.

I've saved roughly 7 thousand night kills this game. I would have to check my PM's to make sure but I believe the order of saves was

N1 Han (Abacus Juke)
N2 Abacus (Lol got scum with the juke back)
N3 Han
N4 Han
N5 Chang

the Doctor also healed me on a night with no scum kills.

Folks, it's Lea.

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ViolentAbacus posted...

... you have to realize she meant that Plums confirmed it

*Shrug*

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Plum seemed pretty sure you were scum, Chang, for having saved you from a nightkill.

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Corrik7 posted...

Plum seemed pretty sure you were scum, Chang, for having saved you from a nightkill.

I would have to be completely stupid to play this way as scum. I know that in any possibility where Lea flips town I am now getting lynched the following day no matter what. But if Abacus is confirmed town by the doctor, then the possibilities dwindle.

in "tiers" of how confirmed we are:

Lea
myself

Sultan

Death
Ben


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Leanansidhe posted...

Do you mean that he healed you the night Han died?

oh shit. you are in fact correct and i am incapable of counting correctly, apparently. well, that certainly doesn't help my case.

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If Abacus and Corrik can agree upon a plan to test myself and Lea at the same time, I will commit to it. Right now I think the odds that it's Sultan/Death who cannot be scanned scum or Ben that cannot be redirected are pretty low compared to last scum just being Lea from my perspective. And I'm willing to stake my (mafia) life on that.

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I'd rather lynch the only person not confirmed town somehow before I play the we overlooked something game / scum has a way around shit gajem

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But if you really think I am scum, please provide a logical explanation for the night that Corrik redirected Sceptile into Lea and she did not get roleblocked.

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Leanansidhe posted...

You and Corrik both seem to believe that being confirmed roleblocker confirms you town. It doesn't.

you're suggesting that I intentionally roleblocked my own teammate roleblocker, before anyone even knew he was a roleblocker?

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This is the last post I'll make about this, then I'll go with whatever everyone else decides because I'm tired of talking/arguing about it but:

I agree, the chances are overwhelmingly high that Lea is scum. I'm not contesting that all. But I'm trying to think about the scenario's where Lea isn't.

If we mislynch Lea today, then I die for a fact. We're left with someone Corrik says is town and while Corrik may be telling the truth literally every player outside of Corrik says don't listen to Corrik (I'm not trying to be mean, Corrik. Plums said it, Han said it, Lea said it, Bolt said it, etc) and the only person left is Chang - and I don't really think Chang is scum BUT he would be the most logical choice to lynch next.

If we mislynch Ben today scum wouldn't have any reason to kill me (unfortunately). Chang can RB Lea and confirm for a fact if she can kill or not. I can scan Chang. The only way I die in a way that it makes sense in that scenario is if Chang is scum.

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Basically, Lynching Ben leads to a longer game but leaves less room for error.

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Also, I guess I should clarify - If Sultan or Death are scum that scan town they wouldn't have any reason to kill me and would be better off killing the other two with powers.

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ViolentAbacus posted...

If we mislynch Ben today scum wouldn't have any reason to kill me (unfortunately). Chang can RB Lea and confirm for a fact if she can kill or not. I can scan Chang. The only way I die in a way that it makes sense in that scenario is if Chang is scum.

Except now that you've said that, a scum player that isn't Lea just kills you anyway and frames me.

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changmas posted...

Except now that you've said that, a scum player that isn't Lea just kills you anyway and frames me.

If that happens then Lea is still confirmed town and we can focus efforts on Death and Sultan.

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Wait, I misread. Whoops. That's a fair point.

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ViolentAbacus posted...

If that happens then Lea is still confirmed town and we can focus efforts on Death and Sultan.

If that happens, then I get lynched over it the following day guaranteed, because still no one can confirm me as town.

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Nobody cares what people said for you to do. It is logical. You Lynch the most likely person to be scum.

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I feel like Chang could just be scum trying to get Ben mislynched still so he can save the Lea mislynch for later.
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htaeD posted...

I feel like Chang could just be scum trying to get Ben mislynched still so he can save the Lea mislynch for later

If Lea is town she is a clear mislynch for tomorrow to get to Mylo.

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It's why you nip that shit in the bud now if so.

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He's arguing awfully hard to have her lynched today for me to think that... But it's possible.

What is Mylo?

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htaeD posted...

I feel like Chang could just be scum trying to get Ben mislynched still so he can save the Lea mislynch for later.

I'll just debunk this the best way I can.

##Vote: Lea

You can lynch me tomorrow if I'm wrong.

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ViolentAbacus posted...

Basically, Lynching Ben leads to a longer game but leaves less room for error.

I agree with this and that's sad. I'd rather me than Lea today. Actually, the more I think about it, the more I really don't think Chang can be scum either.

Im reaaaaally confident the scum is either an innocent scanning death or Corrik with some OP role that is impervious to everything (not likely). But he did tell us straight up that he's OP!

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The one thing that gives me pause about Chang is the fact that his roleblock could explain one of the failed nightkills.

But I would much rather trust the numbers game than lynch Ben.
Besides we still have Corrik to potentially mess scum up.
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htaeD posted...

The one thing that gives me pause about Chang is the fact that his roleblock could explain one of the failed nightkills.

But I would much rather trust the numbers game than lynch Ben.
Besides we still have Corrik to potentially mess scum up.

What does the numbers game point to then?

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Lea and then Chang.
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the only thing that gives me pause about Lea is...how did she come up with Yasuho detector on Day 1 and know that there was actually a Yasuho in the game?

The only thing I can come up with is "scum Yasuho Detector" but that seems like kind of a silly role?

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Lea is way too active to be scum in a game where scum has just been decimated constantly. If you compare with the very last game where she was Near, once she was the last scum I dont even think she posted. I dont remember what posts exactly I liked so much from her day 1, but I remember saying she's too happy to be scum. And scum has no place being happy this game when Han calls out the entire team day 1

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This is a weird game alright.

##Vote: Lea
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##Vote: Death

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As you can see I am only concerned about my perfect voting record ;)

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I mean, if you think the last scum would just be inactive. It would be sultan then

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Leanansidhe posted...

Sure would be nice if we could lynch Ben, block me and redirect Death/Sultan tonight. Oh well. Goodbye.

Im open to this idea.

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changmas posted...

Im open to this idea.

That's what I was saying in the beginning of the day!

Also, I'll go ahead and vote Ben just because I'm not going to be hugely active at all tomorrow - have a graduation for a cousin, then going walking with someone that lives an hour and a half away. Will only be able to check in periodically. If something changes I should be able to change my vote - but still think this is the best course.

##Vote: Ben

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Yodels
[2] - Ben - (Sultan), Lea, Abacus
[2] - Lea - Chang, Death
[1] - Death - Ben

It takes 4 to autolynch. Day ends in about 22 hours.
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Well we already know Corrik's voting lea. You guys shouldn't tease me with death and then keep letting me live. DX

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Or we just yolo kill death. Because if we're relying on power roles to clear people and the last scum is immune to any of them then oh look they can just sit back be confirmed and let us suspect all the claimed power roles. I feel like that's the route town is on because of how quiet and divided it is. But I especially don't like death's statement that we should kill Lea then changmas. What makes changmas most likely scum if Lea flips town anyway?


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