Board 8 > JoJo Mafia Topic 7: JoJoJo-Jo-Jo-JoJo

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Okay that is a good point in Bens favor. I dont think he would be the critical vote on the red lynch if he was scum.
Though I wish I could put 100 % of my faith in that. It could be that scum didnt think Red could be saved.
Even so that could easily have been fixed from scums side if they got red to make a damn vote on Lea already.

Red - 6 - Lea, Han, Bolt, (Ben), Chang, Plum, Ben
Lea - 4 - (Scare), (Plum), IGCD, (Bolt), Abacus, (puns), Scare, Puns
Bolt - 2 - (Han), (Puns), (Lea), Red, (Scare), (Plum), (Sultan), (Sceptile), (IGCD), (puns)
Puns - 1 - (IGCD), Sceptile, (Ben)
Damion - 1 - (IGCD), (Death), (Han), (Bolt), (Lea), Sultan
Death - 1 - Corrik, (Bolt), (IGCD)
IGCD - 1 - Damion
Corrik - 0 - (Plum), (Scare), (Chang), (Scare), (Scare)
Sceptile - 0 - (Han), (Puns), (Ben), (Lea), (Bolt), (Scare), (Chang), (Han), (Puns)
Sultan - 0 - (Bolt), (Bolt)
Han - 0 - (IGCD)
Chang - 0 - (Damion)
Plum - 0 - (IGCD), (Death), (Puns), (Abacus)
Ben - 0 - (Lea), (Sultan), (Damion), (Bolt)
Abacus - 0 - (Damion)

Still, this is the only interesting lynch in the whole game really. Day2 was between scum, scum and scum.

And Just look at how scattered scum was night1, only Scare made an attempt.
Sceptile apparently talked himself into a corner and couldnt vote Lea without looking bad for changing his mind. Damion was not even online.
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Corrik - topic 4, page 5, first post:

"Well okay fine.
At this point its more harmful to lie than to corroborate Corriks story.
I am a town vanilla."

Sultan -
Can you elaborate a bit more on your power? When you revealed it you said you had to predict two people who could be lynched, but then talk like it's about Night Kills. Is it just if one of the two dies, or is it just if they get lynched? Or just night kills... That makes me a bit more wary of you.

Also, that's really bizarre, Scum did have the perfect opportunity to try to push a Lea vote.

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I think that speaks much in Bens favor. Sultan on the other hand was not around to do anything.
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Actually, that speaks in my favor too.
If I was a Backup-like role.
Why wouldnt I have sent in the nightkill night1?
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I also don't see a point to prove Sultan's role either.

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Who did Puns claim tracks on.

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Death, if you want to iso someone, you should iso sultan in particular.

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I was already thinking of that. But what about my observation?

Also hang on...
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Narancia Ghirga, TOWN Tracker.
Stand: Aerosmith

My scans are as I claimed. Death N1 MZero N2. No movement detected.

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Corrik7 posted...

I also don't see a point to prove Sultan's role either.

I'd like to get the specifics of his role.

I got a list of all the Vote Totals. Death was either on Corrik or completely absent from all the votes except for the one against Lea.

Sultan was on Damion except for the puns lynch, and for when we all agreed to vote Bolt...


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Day 1:
Votals
Red - 6 - Lea, Han, Bolt, (Ben), Chang, Plum, Ben
Lea - 5 - (Scare), (Plum), IGCD, (Bolt), Abacus, (puns), Scare, Puns, Red
Puns - 1 - (IGCD), Sceptile, (Ben)
Damion - 1 - (IGCD), (Death), (Han), (Bolt), (Lea), Sultan
Death - 1 - Corrik, (Bolt), (IGCD)
Bolt - 0 - (Han), (Puns), (Lea), (Red), (Scare), (Plum), (Sultan), (Sceptile), (IGCD), (puns)
IGCD - 1 - Damion
Corrik - 0 - (Plum), (Scare), (Chang), (Scare), (Scare)
Sceptile - 0 - (Han), (Puns), (Ben), (Lea), (Bolt), (Scare), (Chang), (Han), (Puns)
Sultan - 0 - (Bolt), (Bolt)
Han - 0 - (IGCD)
Chang - 0 - (Damion)
Plum - 0 - (IGCD), (Death), (Puns), (Abacus)
Ben - 0 - (Lea), (Sultan), (Damion), (Bolt)
Abacus - 0 - (Damion)

Day 2:
Preliminary Final Votals
[8] Scare - (Bolt), Mzero, (Chang), (Lea), Han, Lea, Bolt, Corrik, Sceptile, Chang, Abacus
[4] Sceptile - plum, Ben, (Chang), (Sultan), puns, (Lea), (Abacus), (Chang), (Bolt), Death
[2] Damion - Sultan, (Han), IGCD, (Sceptile), (Lea)
[1] Corrik - (Death), (plum), Scare, (Bolt)
[0] Death - (Corrik)
[0] puns - (Lea)

Day 3:
FINAL NARWHALS
[8] Puns - Lea, Damion, Chang, Corrik, IGCD, (Han), Bolt, Sultan, Sceptile
[2] Sceptile - Puns, Plum
[0] Lea - (Corrik)
[0] Mzero - (Bolt)
[0] Bolt - (Mzero), (Plum)

Day 4:
[7] - Sceptile - Lea, (Plum), Chang, Bolt, (Abacus), Ben, Plum, Han, Abacus
[1] - Damion - Sultan, (Plum)

Day 5:
Final Votals
[6] - Damion - Sultan, Chang, Plum, Lea, Abacus, Bolt

Day 6:
Votals
[2] - Ben - (Lea), (Bolt), (Bolt), (Lea), Chang, (Abacus), Bolt
[5] - Bolt - Sultan, (Lea), (Chang), Corrik, Lea, Plum, Abacus
[0] - Lea - (Bolt)
[0] - Corrik - (Lea), (Chang), (Lea), (Bolt)

Day 7:
Votals
[4] - Lea - (Chang), Death, Chang, Corrik, Sultan
[1] - Death - Ben, (Lea)
[1] - Ben - (Sultan), (Lea), Abacus
[0] - Chang - (Sultan)


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Every Lynch was set besides day 1 basically.

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Actually it was the sceptile day2 train that was probably my best non obvious vote all game.

Instead I was absent from the Lea/Red train alltogether. But I also explained that already. I didnt know which one of Lea or Red was worse. And I jokingly voted Corrik purely to see how he would respond in that moment (and afterwards) and I figured the red lynch was unavoidable and I didnt see a need to save Red either.
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When did Sultan vote Damion and why?

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Did Han claim before flipping

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He voted Damion every time, except for Puns. I'm not sure why, don't really have time to go read all the posts. It was even before I scanned him.

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Corrik7 posted...

Every Lynch was set besides day 1 basically.

Well Scare's lynch came right out of nowhere. But most of the voters on it were town. I cant see scum would try to bus Scare to save their RB for one more night.
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Sultan's claim conveniently has him targeting the night kill almost every night.

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Corrik7 posted...

Did Han claim before flipping

I dont think he did. I feel like scum was panickshooting to try and find the doc.
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htaeD posted...

I dont think he did. I feel like scum was panickshooting to try and find the doc.

No. They were fuck this game we are shooting Han every night til the end of the game if he doesn't die. For all they knew they were shooting a bulletproof over and over.

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I also wonder where their RB went night2. Your redirect explains the lack of blocking on Night3, which I am also counting as a townpoint for your already abundant credit.
Maybe they figured they were gonna get away with killing the cop directly? Lol.
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Han was leading everyone, so can kinda see why they'd want him dead.

And think they killed Mzero Night 3? (could be wrong on that).

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htaeD posted...

I also wonder where their RB went night2. Your redirect explains the lack of blocking on Night3, which I am also counting as a townpoint for your already abundant credit.
Maybe they figured they were gonna get away with killing the cop directly? Lol.

Obviously they intended to kill the cop day 2. It was saved. They roleblocked off the cop. They didn't roleblock me. Whoever they roleblocked they knew was not the cop afterwards.

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They didn't roleblock Lea, Chang, or Puns either. So either Death IGCD Ben, or Bolt or whatever vanilla claim. Not sultan either apparently.

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Lea didn't claim roleblocked night 3 tho I think.

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Damion was persistent. Can't be redirected or roleblocked. Why wouldn't they have damion do the kill?

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PunishedBen posted...

Damion was persistent. Can't be redirected or roleblocked. Why wouldn't they have damion do the kill?

He could only kill people on the lynch. I was not on the puns lynch. Probably a shot in the dark?

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I've been calling Death scum SINCE his post day 1 voting Corrik. Maybe we should listen to me for once.

Actually Corrik was calling him scum before that so im just a sheep again ;0;

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ViolentAbacus posted...

He could only kill people on the lynch. I was not on the puns lynch. Probably a shot in the dark?

No, I quoted his flip on the last page and it specifies that both his bombs and night kills are persistent

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I was on your side yesterday, Ben!

Also, waiting til I hear more on Sultan's role til I really say more about it.

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PunishedBen posted...

No, I quoted his flip on the last page and it specifies that both his bombs and night kills are persistent

Oh, I must have misread. I thought he couldn't night kill. I thought he put bombs on at night only.

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PunishedBen posted...

I've been calling Death scum SINCE his post day 1 voting Corrik. Maybe we should listen to me for once.

Actually Corrik was calling him scum before that so im just a sheep again ;0;

I think death or sultan being scum here is a given, but I would rather get it right today.

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PunishedBen posted...

I've been calling Death scum SINCE his post day 1 voting Corrik. Maybe we should listen to me for once.

Actually Corrik was calling him scum before that so im just a sheep again ;0;

You have been wrong since day1, so definitely you should not listen to yourself apparently.
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Well personally im confident Sultan is town. Besides just his behavior, I don't see why he has to claim that role yesterday if scum. He could have just claimed vanilla

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And fine, I didnt realize Damions persistence counted for nightkills as well.

Still, I feel like a backup would be a better choice to make the kill.

Ben, what are your arguments against me? Just that I have been quiet-ish?
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PunishedBen posted...

Well personally im confident Sultan is town. Besides just his behavior, I don't see why he has to claim that role yesterday if scum. He could have just claimed vanilla

A vanilla claim would not save him from the inevitable chopping block.
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Specifically once plum formulated his plan and had you at the end of the list, you've been very quiet. And that Corrik vote day 1 sounded very disingenuous since you cited scaring Corrik as the reason.

But more than anything, it's process of elimination. Which is what I've always relied on

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I think I have been about as quiet as I have ever been since the sceptile/damion lynches.
Plum didnt change anything, and I cant really argue with something that I feel is inherently untrue.

And it was a technically disingenenuous vote. I made no secret of it. I was just having fun. But dont pretend that I didnt know what was going on at the time. Again, I just didnt have enough to make a sound decision between Red and Lea.

PoE is fair, but I cant say much to that either.
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Who do you think is scum then, Death?

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I thought that was obvious from my points this page alone.
Sultan.
If not him, then you as some form of Persistent role.
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Sultan, do you remember why you asked me who you should vote for when you came in at the end of day 1?

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Ben, how come today you came out with that Damion thing but were okay being lynched yesterday?

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I think Sultan sounds convenient.

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Eh, me asking that question is kinda pointless because I feel I've already decided Sultan is town for it. But I am curious for your own explanation!

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Corrik7 posted...

Ben, how come today you came out with that Damion thing but were okay being lynched yesterday?

I did NOT notice that damion was persistent until today

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Well, I remembered you saying he was. I read that his flip when he died of course but assumed it just meant the bomb laying action couldn't be redirected. It was today when I was reading back to find plums actions that I re-read it and noticed the line at the end.

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PunishedBen posted...

Eh, me asking that question is kinda pointless because I feel I've already decided Sultan is town for it. But I am curious for your own explanation!

I'd say it never hurts to ask questions if you expect the answer to help the one you think is town.
...At the very least it makes you look more like town.
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They don't fear the doctor. They possibly even still mistrust my claim. Roleblock was more important to get rid of. Plus, red is scum so he thinks I will destroy town.

Sultan's claim is a goodie bag. It makes people want to keep him alive to confirm it. It promises rewards! Joyful joyful!

But what would be his end game. Abacus confirmed. Me confirmed.

Mislynch death or Ben. We don't get what he said at night (abacus or me) and know he is a liar. Or kills death at night and 2 confirmed town left with him?

I don't know if there is a true end game there.

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Death or Ben at night instead of me or abacus

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Now we take deaths play day 1 and it is downright atrocious. But...

1. Sceptile is roleblocker. He has an action night 1.
2. Scare is psychic (??? Could act but why)
3. Damien is persistent bomb layer. They would want to get bombs out early.
4. ?????

Would scare have put in the night kill if death is a backup ninja godfather. That's the million dollar question. We know puns also tracked him nowhere night 1 also. So he didn't lie about not being redirected.


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