Poll of the Day > Do any of you think , major cities disbanding their whole police force will

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...work? iirc this is what many minneapolis area people want. And they asked the mayor point blank if he would do it. He said no and they booed him so much that he left that large gathering.

God no, it will lead to more crime and the militias that are forming may not help, it could go wrong real fast.
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It's hard to imagine a community without police. It would make it a haven for crime, you could have all manner of dangerous sorts invade from everywhere, and steal, vandalize, rape, murder, and burn until there's nothing left without ever seeing the inside of a prison cell, because the police wouldn't be there to stop it, and it's much less likely that the residents would have the organization and firepower to stand against it.

That said, when citizens are being brutally and unjustifiably murdered by the very people sworn to protect them, something needs to be done, something has to change.

There's clearly a lot of passion for change in the community. I suppose the best solution may be to harness that energy and try to recruit a new wave of officers from the protestors. Make them keenly aware that officers going forward will face stiff consequences for infractions in their duty to protect and serve.

Let the community show just how far they're willing to go for change. Are they only good enough to cry about their situation, or do they have the guts to dedicate their lives to doing something about it?

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The police in these communities essentially needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. I don't think changes to the existing system is going to be sufficient to deal with the systemic issues that have become apparent this past week. At the same time, disbanding the police is unprecedented. I really don't have enough knowledge on the issue to say.

At the very least, I think bringing up the possibility as a threat might be what's needed to convince police to rein it in a little, while a less extreme solution is developed.

But if police just use it as an excuse to become even more brutal and authoritarian it may be a trigger that needs to be pulled. Right now cops know they're untouchable and that's the only reason things are as bad as they are.

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And replacing it with another one, sure, but that still doesn't fix the problem, which is no oversight.

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at the end of the day we need a police force

but theyre doing a lot of stuff that other people would be better suited for

the way cops are all so militarized now they end up just escalating a lot of the situations they respond to

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I'm wondering if they do disband, would there be a small window to "Purge" before the new police force will be created.

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Actually they are disbanding the minneanpolis poice force.

They don't know what they are replacing it with yet though.

But I think a Peace Force would be a good start.

The officers are trained to keep the peace and help people, and put them first, not prey on them and sometimes bully/abuse them.

Most police department have a predator like system for ticketing for instance. Often they are believed to have quaotas even if it's not true, and many people have had negative experiences with them.

I personally think a warning for a speeding ticket etc (within reason (20 mph over the speed limit) should be given first, and stay on your record for 3 months. If you speed and get pulled over again, then you get a ticket. Police should not shoot first as well, the guns should be a last resort and only used if someone has already pulled a gun on them or someone else.

I just like the term Peace force personally lol.

But yeah there is an article on it, they are disbanding the mineanopolis police force all together.


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The problem is there's no competition - can you imagine if someone had private security shooting a non-uniformed unannounced cop who is sneaking itno a house?

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Found the link but don't know if it's too long or not.

https://bit.ly/2MFwJJC

had to shorten it sigh.

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How soon will it take effect cause I bet the Minneapolis police are in panic mode now and might go crazy before they get shut down

wolfy42 posted...

Found the link but don't know if it's too long or not.

https://bit.ly/2MFwJJC

had to shorten it sigh.

Buzzfeed so probably not true.

They wouldn't be stupid enough to do that. It would just become a haven for crime like Escape from LA.
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Not unless if they are making a new one immediately.

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Mead posted...

at the end of the day we need a police force

but theyre doing a lot of stuff that other people would be better suited for

the way cops are all so militarized now they end up just escalating a lot of the situations they respond to

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For real?HaHahahahahaahahfdsafdsa

Disband the police is dumb.

Remove qualified immunity.
Remove the toys.
Remove tax payers money being used to pay for police misconduct.

Anyone who wants police disbanded are stupid.

The issue is no justice. It would be one thing if people were going to court and being found justified. This shit doesn't even go to court, at times when they are forced to do something there are instances where the DA has taken a case to a grand jury and instead of doing their jobs literally played defense attorney for the cop they were supposed to make a case against.

VioletGekko posted...

Disband the police is dumb.

Remove qualified immunity.
Remove the toys.
Remove tax payers money being used to pay for police misconduct.

i believe the point in a protest is to aim higher than what you want, ok?

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This is literally the dumbest, most idiotic thing I think I have ever heard.

So theyre just going to have no police in a major metropolitan city just because they cant get their shit together?

Literally I cant even comprehend the stupidness at work here

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They are not going to have no police, they are going to get rid of the current police force/setup and try and create one that isn't so predatory and unfair.

I hope they call it the Peace Force heh.

But seriously, there are alot of things wrong with our current system, and starting from scratch isn't a horrid idea, you know, reboot with guns being used only in the worst situations where someone has laready pulled a gun for instance, and where you generally warn citizens if they are doing something wrong and only ticket them after being warned (within 3 months). A force where people are always happy to see the officers, and half the population or more don't dread seeing them in their rear view mirror or beside them even if they are not doing anything wrong.

It's not crazy, it's not easy, but not crazy.

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did you know you don't need a license to be a police officer in America?

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I want them to do it so the people crying "ThE pOlIcE aRe MaKiNg ThE aReA sHiT, nOt DeAlErS aNd GaNgS" end up in the fucking purge and remember why the police exist in the first place.
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horrible idea
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FatalAccident posted...

This is literally the dumbest, most idiotic thing I think I have ever heard.

So theyre just going to have no police in a major metropolitan city just because they cant get their shit together?

Literally I cant even comprehend the stupidness at work here

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Kyuubi4269 posted...

I want them to do it so the people crying "ThE pOlIcE aRe MaKiNg ThE aReA sHiT, nOt DeAlErS aNd GaNgS" end up in the fucking purge and remember why the police exist in the first place.

Your bloodthirsty weirdo side is showing again.

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Compton disbanded their police force in 2000. They now have the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department in their place.

Maybe Minneapolis will do the same thing and rely on their county Sheriff's Department.

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/07/us/fairfax-county-police-officer-assault/index.html

Accountability. It goes way further than empty grand gestures.

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Here is a quote from the NY times (Sadly I can't link it), but it's real.

1. Minneapolis to rethink policing
The Minneapolis City Council pledged yesterday to dismantle the Police Department. Council members said that they did not yet have specific plans for a new public safety system and would study models being tested in other cities.
It is the biggest response to the protests so far. In New York and Los Angeles, city officials have vowed to shrink police budgets in coming months.

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Completely getting rid of police with no replacement would be stupid. Completely getting rid of existing police forces and rebuilding them from the ground up to purge the corruption that keeps so many cops from facing the justice they deserve is an idea with more merit. That's still going to require some major systematic changes (particularly some form of oversight) to prevent the same problems from coming back, and the transition has the potential to be chaotic and dangerous, but it's not a bad idea.

The idea I've seen more commonly is to shrink and defund police forces considerably and reallocate the funds to endeavours that have been demonstrated countless times to have a greater positive impact than more, better-armed police do, such as housing, community mental health supports, and other such community-focused services. Treating the root causes of crime generally has better outcomes than more harshly punishing the crimes themselves, and increasingly militarizing police forces only accomplishes the latter. Quite simply, police are being given too much responsibility, including responsibility for problems that guns aren't necessarily the best solution to, and fixing that means funding other services instead and moving away from the knee-jerk reaction of calling the police to deal with a problem.

There will still be a need for a police force, obviously. There will always be a need for a police force. That force just doesn't have to be the only entity responsible for addressing crime.

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wolfy42 posted...

Here is a quote from the NY times (Sadly I can't link it), but it's real.

1. Minneapolis to rethink policing
The Minneapolis City Council pledged yesterday to dismantle the Police Department. Council members said that they did not yet have specific plans for a new public safety system and would study models being tested in other cities.
It is the biggest response to the protests so far. In New York and Los Angeles, city officials have vowed to shrink police budgets in coming months.

Do they really have to disband the whole force? They just need to do something major enough to get them to fall in line.

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JOExHIGASHI posted...

Do they really have to disband the whole force? They just need to do something major enough to get them to fall in line.

If these are the ones that shoved that 75 year old guy, then yeah, they need to be purged. Not simply because they attacked a senior citizen with no cause, requiring him to be hospitalized in critical condition, but also because they lied about it ("he tripped"), so many cops were there and none of them did anything to help the old man laying on the ground bleeding from his head, and when the officers directly involved were suspended, the rest of the force resisted against their suspension.

That level of community disdain, irresponsibility, evasion of accountability, raw malicious cruelty, and such self-entitlement to see such behavior protected, nothing short of completely gutting the roster is sufficient.

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I don't see that working at all. Many people will see that as a free pass to do whatever they want. I mean, people already commit cries while cops exist. This will just make it easier. But probably deadlier, as well. That's a pretty dumb idea... If that happens, I hope it would happen to where I live. I would want to have to quit my job just to guard my house 24/7...

So, disbanding police forces is not a good idea. I think something needs to be done, but not that...
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This is what you get when the kind of bullshit that went on at Evergreen University is allowed to fester. How many times have we seen these protesters say out if one side of their mouth they want to abolish police, and then cry for the police when counterprotesters showed up? Who do they think they're going to call when actual bad criminals show up? The private militias they're so afraid of now too? Who do they expect to uphold a rape victim or a stalking victim's restraining order when the creep comes a calling?

I'm not saying there isn't a major, systemic problem with police--but at the same time protesters would be so find of saying about something like Obamacare, you don't just get rid of something without something in place to replace that program. It's a short-sighted knee jerk reaction to a problem, and it's cutting off one's nose to spite their faces. Rainbows and wishes don't find missing children or break up a domestic dispute.

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I understand the problems with cops as much as the next guy.

But completely disbanding the police when looting and rioting is already happening is comical.

You're basically saying you want to go back to being the wild west.
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WhiskeyDisk posted...

you don't just get rid of something without something in place to replace that program.

why do so many of yall think this is a thing

theyve done this in other cities. They basically create a new department and have officers apply, then they transition from the old system to the new.

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Shadowbird_RH posted...

If these are the ones that shoved that 75 year old guy, then yeah, they need to be purged. Not simply because they attacked a senior citizen with no cause, requiring him to be hospitalized in critical condition, but also because they lied about it ("he tripped"), so many cops were there and none of them did anything to help the old man laying on the ground bleeding from his head, and when the officers directly involved were suspended, the rest of the force resisted against their suspension.

That level of community disdain, irresponsibility, evasion of accountability, raw malicious cruelty, and such self-entitlement to see such behavior protected, nothing short of completely gutting the roster is sufficient.

They were ordered to "clear the area" but did it the wrong way. That's why the rest of the cops resigned from that task force.
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Mead posted...

why do so many of yall think this is a thing

theyve done this in other cities. They basically create a new department and have officers apply, then they transition from the old system to the new.

Congratulations for proving my point. That's not abolishing or defunding a police department. That's replacing a police department.

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Revelation34 posted...

They were ordered to "clear the area" but did it the wrong way.

Anyone who thinks "clear the area" means "try to murder an old man with a walker" really shouldn't have a job that gives them any kind of power or authority.

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WhiskeyDisk posted...

Congratulations for proving my point. That's not abolishing or defunding a police department. That's replacing a police department.

okay

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Disbanding? This kind of vandalism doesn't make me want reform. Very clear they are not even trying. They should all be fired.

https://twitter.com/markmobility/status/1270068735479611393

We have some influence and power to get politicians to do something, there's no way it should be squandered on a wrist slap.

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adjl posted...

Anyone who thinks "clear the area" means "try to murder an old man with a walker" really shouldn't have a job that gives them any kind of power or authority.

I skimmed the video but don't remember him having a walker.
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Revelation34 posted...

They were ordered to "clear the area" but did it the wrong way. That's why the rest of the cops resigned from that task force.

Guess instead of talking to him or guiding him, the better option is to push a old man.

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So it's like when a restaurant goes under new management then goes out of business. It's time to move out of cities and hunker down.

It's completely idiotic. I'm sure criminals won't see opportunities and will become good citizens now...

PKMNsony posted...

It's completely idiotic. I'm sure criminals won't see opportunities and will become good citizens now...

Well they're obviously going to be replaced with something else. If only just another police force... would be good enough at this moment, until we have time to completely revise the system.

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It would be hilarious if crime wholly ended when the police were disbanded

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Revelation34 posted...

They were ordered to "clear the area" but did it the wrong way. That's why the rest of the cops resigned from that task force.

They resigned as a show of support for the officers that got suspended. They're all pieces of shit.
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It'll decrease police brutality but then we'll have a new problem

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Revelation34 posted...

I skimmed the video but don't remember him having a walker.

Is that really what you think is the most important part of that post?

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