Poll of the Day > Why hasn't delivery become more prevalent?

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Yeah, alot of people are using uber eats/doordash/postmates etc, but in general they are all quite expensive.

My question is, why aren't more places delivering, and for less (or even free?).

Many pizza places for instance used to deliver for free, but now they pretty much all charge. Domino's, Pizza hut, Round table etc, they charge extreme amounts in some cases to deliver (Round table was $9 I believe!!).

Even pizza hut/domino's is like $6 or something for delivery, which seems pretty expensive per person (Especially since your expected to tip as well!!).

But I mean, not even counting pizza places, most other resteraunts don't have their own delivery services, burger places, chineese food etc, all that was very common in the past in cities like NY etc (as you could see in shows like Sienfield).

But although many are actively working with delivery services, they are not offering delivery themselves, which is pretty crazy, they could actually end up with MORE customers right now then ever before if they had a cheaper delivery service.

Post mates or Uber eats charges a freakton, generally $5-6 for delivery base + 15% of the total order (including the delivery price) and then your taxed after all that is added together, and finally you have the tip based on that complete total (including tax) which is generally a min of 10% (although you can enter your own amount).

Meanwhile you also get a $2 charge if your order is under a certain amount (usually $10).

This all leads to paying over double to have something delievered most of the time!!!

Like a $15 order from Uber eats is 15$ base +6$ deliver + 15% of 21$ ($3)+12% (tax) of $24(about $3) +at least 10% of 27$.

So your end total for a $15 order turns out to be $30 (and that is basically just 1 meal for 1 person at most places).

Now, if instead you ordered a $15 item from a place and they delivered it, even for say $2 delivery (but no other charges), + tax and tip, the total would be about $20 including the tip, and the drivers would easily make up their base pay with the $2 per delivery (they would only need to deliver 6 meals an hour) and would get tips on top of that.

Everyone should be doing that...seriously.

Whats more, you don't have to buy cars, you don't have to do tons of stuff, hire people to do the driving themselves, and just pay them by the hour to delivery food. They need to have insurance etc, and a decent car to drive in for the job, and boom your set.

So why isn't this happening...like AT ALL, let along a ton?

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All my deliveries are free?
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

All my deliveries are free?

Where are you getting deliveries from? None are free here:(


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wolfy42 posted...

Where are you getting deliveries from? None are free here:(

Like everywhere; my local pizza place, Amazon, I've got coilovers coming from another place at sub RRP without a delivery fee.
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I'm in the same boat as wolfy. It seems like ALL the local places by me no longer have their own delivery system and use a third party app which is so much more expensive. I always heard that door dash and grub hub and all those charged the restaurants too. So not sure why they can't just hire their own delivery boy and cut out the middle man.

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Because drivers are in short supply.

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I cant even get any of these services to deliver here.

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Delivering to six places in an hour is a lot. Thats a place every ten minutes, and the last place would be waiting an hour for their pizza after it was ready unless the delivery driver picks it back up from the store, which then makes it 7 places in an hour. Then you need time to park, meet the person, them to get their payment, and anything else.

I won't because they gone to eat out of my fries.

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blu posted...

Delivering to six places in an hour is a lot. Thats a place every ten minutes, and the last place would be waiting an hour for their pizza after it was ready unless the delivery driver picks it back up from the store, which then makes it 7 places in an hour. Then you need time to park, meet the person, them to get their payment, and anything else.

True, although the delivery radius is usually only 1-2 miles, and you break it up into quadrants, which means each driver is delivering to only a few areas (so you can drive from one place to another quite fast). In general it's 2 trips of 30 minutes each, deliverying to say 3-4 places each trip. That means the most wait for your food is about 30 minutes tops. Even then I would usually ask to be put on the "next" run so I was at the top of the order.

Not all places do that mind you, but if they were delivering alot of food constantly, they would come up with a system like that pretty fast. Porky's pizza did that, and Brewery City pizza in olympia etc, it's common for places that deliver alot.

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Veedrock- posted...

Because drivers are in short supply.

That is what seems crazy, cause honestly you can make a butload from it, especially with auto-tips etc. That is without charging insane amounts. $2 base (to cover drivers cost) + 10% tip auto (But you can tip more if you want) and drivers could be making bank (Min wage + tips).

I'd actually give the 2$ base per delivery to the drivers straight up, or min wage, whichever is higher.

Costs the restraunt NOTHING that way or very little (during slow times) and the drivers get bank.

Most of the delivery services are just greedy as hell lately, it's far past time the food places take things into their own hands and cut out the middle man.

Many of them up the cost of food and/or actually charge the resteraunt as well. One place near me has a whole seperate menu/price for food because uber eats charges them 30% of the order price, so they upped all their food prices by 30% to compensate.

Uber then charges a delivery fee AND 15% of the total (including that)....to the customer, so not only are you paying all that, but your doing on prices that are already 30% more.

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Lordkill posted...

I won't because they gone to eat out of my fries.

Many places now seal the food in a bag, with something that will show if it's been opened. Not all of em, but almost all do that now.

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Fierce_Deity_08 posted...

I cant even get any of these services to deliver here.

Ugh, that sucks, I order from postmates and uber eats even with the extreme prices. I found a way to make both not too expensive sometimes (using deals etc).

I still end up paying more, but often only like $5-8 more total..which isn't horrid (And I'm only doing that because of covid right now).

Really think we need to get free or cheap delivery going everywhere soon.

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I get pretty much all my things delivered

this whole contactless thing is amazing for me, I just tell my phone I want food or a thing, and then it appears after a bit

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Mead posted...

I get pretty much all my things delivered

this whole contactless thing is amazing for me, I just tell my phone I want food or a thing, and then it appears after a bit

Damn, after reading that I told my phone I wanted 3 redheaded sex slaves.

It didn't work:(

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Dragooncancer_ posted...

I'm in the same boat as wolfy. It seems like ALL the local places by me no longer have their own delivery system and use a third party app which is so much more expensive. I always heard that door dash and grub hub and all those charged the restaurants too. So not sure why they can't just hire their own delivery boy and cut out the middle man.

Having a middleman is more expensive (I forget which one, but one of them charges something like 20% of the food cost), but it saves the hassle of having to find and hire a driver (made harder by app services scooping up a lot of potential candidates), the problem of paying the driver for downtime (many restaurants don't get enough delivery orders to keep a driver running for their entire shift, but having them service multiple restaurants removes that inefficiency), and it means they keep getting business from people who would prefer to order through an app than by phone instead of losing out to their app-using competitors.

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wolfy42 posted...

$2 base (to cover drivers cost) + 10% tip auto (But you can tip more if you want) and drivers could be making bank (Min wage + tips).

Never seen auto-tip, why have that and a delivery charge that goes to drivers? What a scam.

Gas and auto maintenance aren't cheap, and insurance rates go up as a driver. After expenses you're basically left with a minimum wage job, one that doesnt offer full time hours and has all the baggage of typical customer service.

wolfy42 posted...

sex slaves.

Are you trying to get cancelled?

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adjl posted...

Having a middleman is more expensive (I forget which one, but one of them charges something like 20% of the food cost), but it saves the hassle of having to find and hire a driver (made harder by app services scooping up a lot of potential candidates), the problem of paying the driver for downtime (many restaurants don't get enough delivery orders to keep a driver running for their entire shift, but having them service multiple restaurants removes that inefficiency), and it means they keep getting business from people who would prefer to order through an app than by phone instead of losing out to their app-using competitors.

The problem is those apps etc are soooooo freaaaaaking greedy lol.

I've talked to the drivers, and I have done research online. Alot of them will not pay them much from the delivery cost, if they get tipped on the site, so tipping them in cash actually makes them get paid more.

I think the way it works is the sites basically ensure they get paid a min amount from the delivery fees, but they subtract the tip amount from that, so if you tip a driver 15% on the site, for a $30 order, that is $4.50 for that delivery, meanwhile the site charges a flat delivery fee and 15% of the total cost as well, but if the driver gets tipped enough only gives them like $1 from the $9 they get.

IF you tip in cash though, the service has to bring them up to a minimum, so they get something like $4 from them and whatever you tipped in cash.

Not sure which of them is like that, but the others still are raking in the cash while the drivers get along mainly on tips.

It's really not fair, and it's why I think places should start hiring drivers (instead of waiter..which they used to need). Even if they only need one driver for some hours during the day due to it being slow, they would have been paying for a waiter anyway.

And honestly if you could get delivery cheap right now, any place that does that is gonna be slammed. Heck you can even charge more for a longer distance (to compensate the drivers who can't deliver as many meals due to it being farther away).

Say $2 cost for delivery within 2 miles radius, and $5 cost for delivery within 2-5 miles (but if your outside of the 2 mile radius you may need to wait longer etc (they would wait till there was going to be a driver free to make the food).

That would still be SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper then the uber/post/door options currently and would massively boost buisiness for them.

Right now I can't get almost anything delivered for less than $7 and usually it's at least $10, so it's just not worth it.

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Veedrock- posted...

Never seen auto-tip, why have that and a delivery charge that goes to drivers? What a scam.

Gas and auto maintenance aren't cheap, and insurance rates go up as a driver. After expenses you're basically left with a minimum wage job, one that doesnt offer full time hours and has all the baggage of typical customer service.

Are you trying to get cancelled?

Yeah delivery charge and auto tip (which btw starts at 15%, you have to manually set it to 10% if you want), is sadly the new norm.

As far as sex slaves I'm reading some spacerx stuff right now, so they are on my mind lol. To be honest (and yes I have thought about this), there is really no point in my life where I had the energy/motivation to actually have even one sex slave (as in being a dom to someone) let alone multiple. Sadly I also just don't have a submissive side so I couldn't BE a sex slave either.

Which really sucks, cause I mean, it sounds really fun, on either side of the relationship.

I do love redheads though:)

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Just ordered my monthly pizza (a week early or so but whatever).

Anyway went to use postmates where I currently have FREE delivery (trial month on that), and the service charge alone was $10 lol.

I switched over to Uber eats for the same place and even without free delivery I saved $7 lol.

Uber eats does charge 15% of the total, but they don't bend you over and defile you like postmates.

Seriously they literally (no joke) will boost the service price significantly if you have their free delivery. They make up for the delivery price in the service charge, so you end up saving maybe a dollar.

Meanwhile they up the base cost of the food, they charge the place making the food as well, and they often lie about what the actual total was anyway (which I caught them on and got a refund....eventually...after a ton of emails...for).

My free trial ends in 2 days but it's sad that even with it, postmates just isn't actually worth using.

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I use Doordash. I have the dash pass, which for $10 a month, I get free delivery to a bunch of places, and reduced service charge. It pays for itself in like 2 deliveries, and then the rest is savings.

I mean when you factor in the time, travel and effort to go to a place order the food wait for it etc... Even if you are paying say $5 for delivery it's only a few bucks more expensive than traveling and that is if you value your time spent as $0.

Now in some cases you can have a reason to be in that area anyways so that cuts down on the travel costs, but that is not always the case especially if you just randomly decide you want something like Taco Bell or a Pizza.