Poll of the Day > So are we getting to the point where toothpaste will go the way of the dodo?

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https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/unilever-drop-terms-whitening-beauty-products-71448905

I mean, can't have the word whitening on your box anymore regardless of the context. We have tipped the edge into insanity, right?

That example is specifically skin care products, so I think your "regardless of context" might be just a wee bit histrionic.

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adjl posted...

That example is specifically skin care products, so I think your "regardless of context" might be just a wee bit histrionic.

Yes skin care products that do nothing but promote healthy skin. The problem is that they have whitening on the box and you can't have that. What's going to things like Crest White Strips or Colgate Optic White Whitening toothpaste? These companies are so damn scared of the BLM movement (granted, it is a movement that was needed) that they have halted and reversed course so hard that they have jumped the tracks right into silly town.

sjws hate tooth paste

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Zangulus posted...

Things are going too far! He screams while sliding down his own hot metal slippery slope slide of logic.

Am I? I'm not so sure. Why do they need to stop selling these skin care products? Is stopping the selling of these products really going to make a difference? NO and if you think it would then, christ, I worry for any kids you may or may not have.

That is the logical next step after addressing racist police brutality

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i wonder if tc actually read the article or stopped at the headline and ran away with himself

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Arcturusisnow posted...

Yes skin care products that do nothing but promote healthy skin.

As well as lightening skin. Did you even read your link beyond the headline?

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Arcturusisnow posted...

Yes skin care products that do nothing but promote healthy skin. The problem is that they have whitening on the box and you can't have that. What's going to things like Crest White Strips or Colgate Optic White Whitening toothpaste? These companies are so damn scared of the BLM movement (granted, it is a movement that was needed) that they have halted and reversed course so hard that they have jumped the tracks right into silly town.

Can someone make an edit to that DW meme with the caption "This post isn't going to stop me because I can't read"

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wooo boy if some of you dont know of the rabbit hole that is skin bleaching especially in island countries its a doozy, this isnt as little of a deal as it seems. its a huge problem in parts of the word

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I hate to interrupt your screed, but this isn't about whitening toothpaste, it's about skin whitening products.

It's a shame when companies step up to do the right thing, then you have reactionary people defend the habitual racism into which they've been born by claiming these companies are "scared".

Don't worry, you still have NASCAR. Oh, wait...

to be fair, whitening toothpaste should be banned since it's been proven (IIRC) to cause long term dental problems

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You mean wiped out by sailors and invasive species?

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Zeus posted...

You mean wiped out by sailors and invasive species?

Can't confirm, but I thought the Dodo was wiped out because it was delicious.

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Lokarin posted...

Can't confirm, but I thought the Dodo was wiped out because it was delicious.

To sailors and invasive species.

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They aren't stopping the production of toothpaste.

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adjl posted...

As well as lightening skin.

Because many cultures traditionally associate working outside and tanning with lower classes in society.

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

Because many cultures traditionally associate working outside and tanning with lower classes in society.

Damn that beach culture!
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tony8669 posted...

I hate to interrupt your screed, but this isn't about whitening toothpaste, it's about skin whitening products.

It's a shame when companies step up to do the right thing, then you have reactionary people defend the habitual racism into which they've been born by claiming these companies are "scared".

Don't worry, you still have NASCAR. Oh, wait...

I don't watch Nascar?

Regular User User Since: Apr 2020

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one thing that annoys me about this is how "white" people are not literally white, and "black" people are not literally black. it doesn't make any sense to project race onto colors of inanimate objects, or to object to the words "black" and "white" in non-racial contexts. there's more to race than skin color, and more to racism than color-ism.

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wwinterj25 posted...

Regular User User Since: Apr 2020

Wow, so I don't post that often or come by here and thus don't gather karma that quick. You are truly shining a light on a dark place.

Arcturusisnow posted...

You are truly shining a light on a dark place.

I try my best.

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https://www.foxnews.com/politics/california-democrats-resolution-john-wayne-airport-renamed
https://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/news/e2-80-98bojack-horseman-e2-80-99-star-alison-brie-regrets-voicing-vietnamese-american-character/ar-BB162WxE
Yeah, we sure aren't going off the cliff to insanity at all./s

Toothpaste will soon be an extinct bird

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Sahuagin posted...

one thing that annoys me about this is how "white" people are not literally white, and "black" people are not literally black. it doesn't make any sense to project race onto colors of inanimate objects, or to object to the words "black" and "white" in non-racial contexts. there's more to race than skin color, and more to racism than color-ism.

This is completely about skin colour, though, because these are skin whitening products. Demonizing the word "white" more broadly than that would indeed be silly, but this is a matter of changing marketing that literally promotes whiter skin as being desirable/better.

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adjl posted...

This is completely about skin colour, though, because these are skin whitening products. Demonizing the word "white" more broadly than that would indeed be silly, but this is a matter of changing marketing that literally promotes whiter skin as being desirable/better.

yeah I was thinking of teeth whitening at the time. there is an unfortunate association between whiteness and cleanliness, but that still shouldn't make wanting things to be white (clean) racist. (because that kind of whiteness is not the same thing. really it's more like calling caucasians "white" in the first place is more racist than calling clean teeth "white". caucasians are not really "white".).

for the skin products thing... I don't think customizing your appearance should be considered racist, even making your skin lighter if that's what you want. a person can get a tan, too, that doesn't make it racist. or they can dye their hair, etc.etc.

but, to the degree that the company's marketing campaigns are pushing a cultural bias towards lighter skin and against darker skin, it's probably a good idea to stop doing that. it's one thing if it was completely neutral/benign, but as long as there's a group of people that are facing unjust discrimination partly because of that exact thing, then it isn't.

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Sahuagin posted...

yeah I was thinking of teeth whitening at the time. there is an unfortunate association between whiteness and cleanliness, but that still shouldn't make wanting things to be white (clean) racist. (because that kind of whiteness is not the same thing. really it's more like calling caucasians "white" in the first place is more racist than calling clean teeth "white". caucasians are not really "white".).

for the skin products thing... I don't think customizing your appearance should be considered racist, even making your skin lighter if that's what you want. a person can get a tan, too, that doesn't make it racist. or they can dye their hair, etc.etc.

but, to the degree that the company's marketing campaigns are pushing a cultural bias towards lighter skin and against darker skin, it's probably a good idea to stop doing that. it's one thing if it was completely neutral/benign, but as long as there's a group of people that are facing unjust discrimination partly because of that exact thing, then it isn't.

Seriously? Teeth are supposed to be white which is where whitening comes from. There is nothing unfortunate about a biological fact.
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Revelation34 posted...

Seriously? Teeth are supposed to be white which is where whitening comes from. There is nothing unfortunate about a biological fact.

I don't mean just teeth, but in general. things that are white tend to be clean. just that by itself is not unfortunate; it's unfortunate that it's easy to project onto skin tone when skin tone doesn't have anything to do with cleanliness.

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Sahuagin posted...

for the skin products thing... I don't think customizing your appearance should be considered racist, even making your skin lighter if that's what you want. a person can get a tan, too, that doesn't make it racist. or they can dye their hair, etc.etc.

but, to the degree that the company's marketing campaigns are pushing a cultural bias towards lighter skin and against darker skin, it's probably a good idea to stop doing that. it's one thing if it was completely neutral/benign, but as long as there's a group of people that are facing unjust discrimination partly because of that exact thing, then it isn't.

Yeah, that's about my position. Presented neutrally, there's nothing particularly wrong with adjusting skin tones. Presented in a way that promotes lighter skin, and you've got a marketing campaign that calls people failures for being black (to exaggerate slightly for dramatic effect), and that's bad. Current cultural biases and whatnot also make it difficult to promote such a thing neutrally, so it's probably for the best to dial any such promotion back.

Revelation34 posted...

Seriously? Teeth are supposed to be white which is where whitening comes from.

Eh, that's debatable. Plaque and staining and whatnot do cause discoloration, certainly, but many whitening products promote whitening beyond simply restoring the natural colour of the teeth. Given that there's some cause to question just how healthy they are and whether or not they cause damage to teeth, that's not necessarily a good thing.

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Zangulus posted...

Oh no, ending systematic casual racism. Such a bad thing!

How many female Vietnamese voice actors do you really think there are? Obviously, you think there are a lot and you would also be called incredibly stupid for thinking that. Female Vietnamese voice acting is such niche subset of a niche subset here in the USA that it might as well not exist.

guys watch the CBC marketplace video about skin whitening products, it is a fucked up industry

Zangulus posted...

I love how you keep making completely inept assumptive insults. The gymnastics youre taking mentally in thinking youre being effective is amazing to watch.

So you think a lot exist?
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But...everyone can have white teeth..

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Revelation34 posted...

So you think a lot exist?

That's what I was going to say. Cuz I would like to see this giant group of female Vietnames-American voice actors that supposedly exists.