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MachineJaipur
06/30/20 12:26:28 PM
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SocksForWoksMAX
06/30/20 12:32:03 PM
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Its basically capitalism vs oppression.

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solosnake
06/30/20 12:33:54 PM
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communism and socialism are products of capitalism

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MachineJaipur
06/30/20 12:34:16 PM
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SocksForWoksMAX posted...
Its basically capitalism vs oppression.
Not to be that guy but one can argue that capitalism oppresses those at the bottom

Just usually without massacres
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IMNOTRAGED
06/30/20 12:35:20 PM
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MachineJaipur posted...
Just usually without massacres

There are definitely massacres. They just get outsourced

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MarqueeSeries
06/30/20 12:39:04 PM
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Socialism > Communism = Capitalism

The way communism has been done should work in theory, but once everything is seized, the ones in power dont want to redistribute it. Communism falls victim to the same greedy tendencies that capitalism does

Social anarchism is a good way forward. As long as a state exists, the potential for corruption in any system is too high
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coh
06/30/20 12:39:56 PM
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Socialism is the stepping stone to communism
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MachineJaipur
06/30/20 12:40:38 PM
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IMNOTRAGED posted...
There are definitely massacres. They just get outsourced
Well without state sponsored massacres
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MarqueeSeries
06/30/20 12:41:17 PM
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coh posted...
Socialism is the stepping stone to communism

They're pretty distinct systems
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Rebel_Patriot
06/30/20 12:42:18 PM
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MachineJaipur posted...
Not to be that guy but one can argue that capitalism oppresses those at the bottom

Just usually without massacres
Capitalism is the only way to escape the bottom. Before capitalism, practically everyone died in the same social /economical class they were born into. Being given free stuff doesnt pull you off the bottom, it makes you content with being on the bottom.

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MrToothHasYou
06/30/20 12:42:29 PM
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MarqueeSeries posted...
The way communism has been done
Communism hasnt ever been done.

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Banana_Cyanide
06/30/20 12:42:44 PM
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Repeat after me:

I will not be in the Kremlin

There will be no billions to redistribute

I will be sent to a gulag

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MarqueeSeries
06/30/20 12:49:53 PM
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MrToothHasYou posted...
MarqueeSeries posted...
The way communism has been done
Communism hasnt ever been done.

Fundamentally I agree with you. True Communism is when we have no more use for the ideas of class because everyone has what they need. That hasn't been done because that's the ultimate end goal for any civilization. In that regard, communism is the ideal system

The "communist states" that we've seen were failed attempts at getting us there because some dickheads wouldn't relinquish power once they had it
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Damn_Underscore
06/30/20 12:49:55 PM
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Every attempt at "communism" by governments has been a mix of socialism and communism. With post-Mao China, you could even say it's a mix of socialism and capitalism.

If you consider anarcho-communism to be the only "true" form of communism, obviously that has never been attempted at a governmental level.

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SocksForWoksMAX
06/30/20 12:51:46 PM
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MachineJaipur posted...
Not to be that guy but one can argue that capitalism oppresses those at the bottom

Just usually without massacres

Difference is, under capitalism you are free to change your situation.

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MrToothHasYou
06/30/20 1:28:40 PM
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MarqueeSeries posted...
The "communist states" that we've seen were failed attempts at getting us there because some dickheads wouldn't relinquish power once they had it
To be fair, they cant exactly dissolve the state without an international revolution having been successful. Stateless/anarchist communism will never survive while capitalist states still exist.


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Questionmarktarius
06/30/20 1:30:45 PM
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Capitalism can't survive if the bottom of the economic pile is left to rot, and socialism can't survive without a robust market economy to feed it.

Communism, however, will never work without an underpinning of pure tyranny, and even then only for about seventy years.
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MachineJaipur
06/30/20 1:31:45 PM
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Could an independently created AI overlord enforce a communist society exactly as it was intended to work?
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Questionmarktarius
06/30/20 1:32:19 PM
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MachineJaipur posted...
Could an independently created AI overlord enforce a communist society exactly as it was intended to work?
Probably, but it wouldn't be very pleasant.
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I Like Toast
06/30/20 1:37:39 PM
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Pure of any of systems is equally terrible.

Capitalism is ultimately pure greed. Socialism expects people to just do things out of the goodness of their heart. Communism leads to rampant corruption

Capitalism with a strong government is the best current option.

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MarqueeSeries
06/30/20 1:57:44 PM
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MrToothHasYou posted...
MarqueeSeries posted...
The "communist states" that we've seen were failed attempts at getting us there because some dickheads wouldn't relinquish power once they had it
To be fair, they cant exactly dissolve the state without an international revolution having been successful. Stateless/anarchist communism will never survive while capitalist states still exist.


Now that I agree with. Capitalist states will do all they can to squash any sort of anarchist revolution as it pops up.

It's a miracle that places like Catalonia and Rojava have managed to exist as long as they have
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Dragon239
06/30/20 1:59:48 PM
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Socialism is when the government does stuff

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TheMikh
06/30/20 2:01:27 PM
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depends on the kind of capitalism, the kind of socialism, the kind of communism

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MachineJaipur
06/30/20 3:58:41 PM
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Crash posted...
LMAO @ edgelords who vote anything other than the first option.
@Crash

CE is full of edgelords then because less than half of CE has voted for the first option
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EndOfDiscOne
07/01/20 3:55:07 PM
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Real Communism > Real Socialism > Capitalism > Fake Socialism > Fake Communism

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averagejoel
07/01/20 11:37:55 PM
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SocksForWoksMAX posted...
Difference is, under capitalism you are free to change your situation.
"you" might be, but "everyone" is not

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monkmith
07/01/20 11:40:13 PM
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the correct answer is heavily controlled capitalism, essentially socialism lite. every time we swing back towards this free market bullshit things break down.

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MedeaLysistrata
07/01/20 11:47:02 PM
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Would you like the 20k a year life or the 80k a year life? You will work the same amount either way.

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Doe
07/01/20 11:48:30 PM
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Capitalism: Individuals own most of the means of production and have the power to take most of the profits, lots of class inequality

Socialism: The state has taken control of the means of production, seeks to remove inequality

Communism: The state no longer exists, socio-economic classes no longer exist (theoretical)

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Doe
07/01/20 11:49:31 PM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
Would you like the 20k a year life or the 80k a year life? You will work the same amount either way.
That 60k you're taking from the third world lol

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MedeaLysistrata
07/01/20 11:59:23 PM
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Doe posted...
That 60k you're taking from the third world lol
This is a McDonalds, sir. We only use AAA grade Alberta beef. I don't know if any of our products come from the third world but I can ask my manager.

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Giblet_Enjoyer
07/02/20 12:00:40 AM
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monkmith posted...
the correct answer is heavily controlled capitalism, essentially socialism lite. every time we swing back towards this free market bullshit things break down.
This seems about right. Sadly we have a lot of pearl clutchers (who vote) who unironically believe

Dragon239 posted...
Socialism is when the government does stuff


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Doe
07/02/20 12:09:28 AM
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MedeaLysistrata posted...
This is a McDonalds, sir. We only use AAA grade Alberta beef. I don't know if any of our products come from the third world but I can ask my manager.
All those McDonald's workers of America with 80k wages, yep.

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MedeaLysistrata
07/02/20 12:16:13 AM
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Doe posted...
All those McDonald's workers of America with 80k wages, yep.
Yeah... I mean I guess the managers can make that. Anyway I already posted in the other political economic paradigm topic with rehashes from this topic and now feel silly.

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VTBM
07/02/20 12:22:08 AM
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tHaTs NoT rEaL cOmMuNiSm

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ThisGuyAreSick
07/02/20 12:36:03 AM
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Capiosocialism > Early stage capitalism > Socialism > Late stage capitalism > Communism
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IShall_Run_Amok
07/02/20 12:42:38 AM
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Communism has proven to be the best way to combat capitalism. Socialism doesn't work as well, but is still down with the general idea. Capitalism is the thing that needs killin'.

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brokenfingers
07/02/20 12:00:19 PM
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MarqueeSeries posted...
The way communism has been done should work in theory,
No. Uh-uh. Enforced communism will never work on any scale. Know why communes often work? Because those people choose to abide. The second people are born into something they didn't choose and can't escape, the seeds of revolution are sown.

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Questionmarktarius
07/02/20 1:19:15 PM
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brokenfingers posted...
Enforced communism will never work on any scale.
This.

Of course, enforced capitalism isn't doing much better.
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ledbowman
07/02/20 1:34:56 PM
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capitalism is the most inhumane on a basic level

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Questionmarktarius
07/02/20 1:37:39 PM
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ledbowman posted...
capitalism is the most inhumane on a basic level
Capitalism does not forbid altruism. It just neglects to mandate it.
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IShall_Run_Amok
07/02/20 2:04:05 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Capitalism does not forbid altruism. It just neglects to mandate it.
Amazing how when you neglect something in your policy making while you subject your people to a system that does not reward it, it doesn't happen.

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Questionmarktarius
07/02/20 2:05:44 PM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...
Amazing how when you neglect something in your policy making while you subject your people to a system that does not reward it, it doesn't happen.
Ah, but the neat thing about capitalist nations, is that you're free to leave for one of those socialist utopias.
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IShall_Run_Amok
07/02/20 2:10:55 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Ah, but the neat thing about capitalist nations, is that you're free to leave for one of those socialist utopias.
Or you can just overthrow your government and feed some hungry guillotines. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.

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Questionmarktarius
07/02/20 2:13:26 PM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...
Or you can just overthrow your government and feed some hungry guillotines. Easy peasy lemon squeezy.
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Bolle_Henk_
07/02/20 2:15:05 PM
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The best option is capitalism with a focus on decreasing wealth/income inequality.

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IShall_Run_Amok
07/02/20 2:15:30 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Do you want a Napoleon? - because that's how you get a Napoleon.


Sign me the fuck up for some communism yo. do I get the turtle too?

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Questionmarktarius
07/02/20 2:17:15 PM
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IShall_Run_Amok posted...
well shit.
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