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DeadSite
06/30/20 1:52:21 PM
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It seemed like an easy slam dunk. Perfect waifus, fun champions, overall good support, micro transactions, and an e-sport ready set up.

Did Brigitte really destroy the game, or did they mismanage it into the ground?

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Alpha218
06/30/20 1:53:04 PM
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I just assumed people got tired of the toxicity

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Broseph_Stalin
06/30/20 1:53:20 PM
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They decided to put a bunch of ex-WoW guys in charge of a competitive FPS game.
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MC_BatCommander
06/30/20 1:53:46 PM
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How is it fucked up? I thought the game was hugely successful

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GoodOlJr
06/30/20 1:53:48 PM
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Its like tf2, the vanilla game was good, the first couple updates were good, and the constant support was unnecessary
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sauceje
06/30/20 1:55:01 PM
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Knowing gamers, it was the part where they J. K. Rowling'd it up

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Blue_Target
06/30/20 1:56:06 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
How is it fucked up? I thought the game was hugely successful
This. Are you talking about it not being popular anymore? Unbalanced? The banning for Hong Kong support?

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NeonOctopus
06/30/20 1:56:18 PM
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Alpha218 posted...
I just assumed people got tired of the toxicity
Listening to people being toxic is part of the fun tho >_> I always laugh at the shit everytime I hear it because it's so dumb

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Lorthremar
06/30/20 1:57:20 PM
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for me it was the powercreep on new heroes. they ended up getting super complicated and it was significantly harder to just drop into the game after a break

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DeadSite
06/30/20 1:59:21 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
How is it fucked up? I thought the game was hugely successful
OWL is hemmoraging talent, queue times have exploded over time, and overall playerbase has been crashing

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DepreceV2
06/30/20 2:00:16 PM
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There are many reasons. From the Casual standpoint.. Kind of hard to keep a Casual audience when your Events are rehashed of the same thing with new skins.

As for competitive... They have had a lot of bad balancing patches go through even though people pointed out how bad the patch notes were ahead of time. They were also very slow in patching. Also.. some of the heroes they rleased weren't.. Healthy... for the game...

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LordFarquad1312
06/30/20 2:00:21 PM
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Because they made a really idiotic role queue.
And because no one likes playing tank or support, they suck.

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Statical_Ork
06/30/20 2:00:51 PM
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idk if brig was what did it but she is an absolute motherfucker to deal with and the changes to earlier heroes suck ass

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Statical_Ork
06/30/20 2:02:32 PM
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also role queues + consolidating literally half of the fucking heroes into a single role has dicked the game down into oblivion. Its half (maybe more?) of the roster that you straight up just cant use anymore unless you wait half an hour.

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DepreceV2
06/30/20 2:03:01 PM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
Because they made a really idiotic role queue.
And because no one likes playing tank or support, they suck.

Role queue was necessary and mostly positive feedback. They released an Open Queue competitive along side Role Queue. Go try to have fun in that shit stain of a mode. I don't know how I was able to keep my sanity playing this game without 2-2-2 role lock

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Statical_Ork
06/30/20 2:05:37 PM
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Im convinced people who like the locked 2-2-2 straight up dont understand fun

yall probably thought math class was fun or some shit

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refmon
06/30/20 2:06:22 PM
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Worse than usual blizzard balance

Didnt they take a year to nerf brig

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DepreceV2
06/30/20 2:06:27 PM
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Statical_Ork posted...
Im convinced people who like the locked 2-2-2 straight up dont understand fun

yall probably thought math class was fun or some shit

? I guess it was fun for you having 5 DPS and you having to choose between being the teams only tank or only support

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Tyranthraxus
06/30/20 2:09:26 PM
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It's poorly balanced for competitive gameplay and There's nothing to keep casuals interested. They really needed more solo / co-op content.

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Drug_Smoker
06/30/20 2:10:07 PM
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They entered a market where morons would rather play yearly CoD remake or 50 year old counter-strike and now new Riot counter strike clone.

Overwatch is by far been the best shooter of its time though.

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DepreceV2
06/30/20 2:10:13 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
It's poorly balanced for competitive gameplay and There's nothing to keep casuals interested. They really needed more solo / co-op content.


Which is why they are making Overwatch 2

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Statical_Ork
06/30/20 2:10:32 PM
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DepreceV2 posted...
? I guess it was fun for you having 5 DPS and you having to choose between being the teams only tank or only support
i mean yeah the clusterfuck was fun lol

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Ivany2008
06/30/20 2:10:59 PM
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This is just my opinion, but while the heroes are fairly balanced, the connections aren't. It's the same with any online game. If one player is playing with a latency of 20 and another is playing with a latency of 60, the 20 will usually have the advantage. Obvious exceptions for pro players of course.

Doesn't help them that so many other games have come out since then that use Blizzards own system in a different way. Also doesn't help that if a person disconnects in a ranked match you can't get someone in to fill his spot, its pretty much a lost spot and your playing 5 v 6.
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DepreceV2
06/30/20 2:11:10 PM
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Statical_Ork posted...
i mean yeah the clusterfuck was fun lol

masochist

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Drug_Smoker
06/30/20 2:11:36 PM
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Statical_Ork posted...
i mean yeah the clusterfuck was fun lol

It was fun for awhile. Now this is fun.

Also, they are bringing back the no role locked competitive as its own separate que.

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Broseph_Stalin
06/30/20 2:11:59 PM
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Overwatch 2 is the devs giving up and focusing on the PVE game they wanted to make to begin with.

OW is a good game with the wrong people in charge.
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FLAMING EVIL HOMER
06/30/20 2:12:46 PM
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Too many shields

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Maeiv
06/30/20 2:12:56 PM
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DPS were the most fun class to play but were also the least important to overall team building, as apparent when GOATS meta started to completely dominate

then blizzard tried to fix that and by doing so alienated a lot of support and tank mains since most of them got slammed with nerfs

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DepreceV2
06/30/20 2:13:20 PM
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FLAMING EVIL HOMER posted...
Too many shields

That isn't as bad anymore since they nerfed barriers really hard.

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Drug_Smoker
06/30/20 2:14:58 PM
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DepreceV2 posted...
That isn't as bad anymore since they nerfed barriers really hard.

It is still a big problem because a Reinhardt or Orisa is basically mandatory (depending on the map). Which means one of the tanks that ques probably has to play something they have no interest in playing every single time. Thus, no one ques as tanks.

The real problem Overwatch always has been and always will be Reinhardt and his spreading influence to new heroes.

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The Nintendo Master
06/30/20 2:16:42 PM
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Alpha218 posted...
I just assumed people got tired of the toxicity
Exactly the case for me.

One of the easiest changes they could have made that would have made a world of difference was to turn off in-match all chat or made the option available to do so.

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FLAMING EVIL HOMER
06/30/20 2:17:01 PM
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Also. Too many characters with some sort of stun or booping.

Still like and play overwatch btw. Just some of the stuff thats annoys me personally.

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UnholyMudcrab
06/30/20 2:18:39 PM
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DepreceV2 posted...
Statical_Ork posted...
Im convinced people who like the locked 2-2-2 straight up dont understand fun

yall probably thought math class was fun or some shit

? I guess it was fun for you having 5 DPS and you having to choose between being the teams only tank or only support

The people who complain about role queue are the people who instalocked DPS every time
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Drug_Smoker
06/30/20 2:23:38 PM
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The Nintendo Master posted...
Exactly the case for me.

One of the easiest changes they could have made that would have made a world of difference was to turn off in-match all chat or made the option available to do so.

They have had the option to turn of all chat since the day the game was released (and even before that in beta).

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Squall28
06/30/20 2:25:43 PM
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Matchmaking system was bad. It was a complete dice roll how good everyone in your game was. You have Widows that never seem to miss, and Widows that can't hit anything (prob on your team) in the same fucking game.

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DeadSite
06/30/20 3:36:48 PM
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Drug_Smoker posted...
Overwatch is by far been the best shooter of its time though
Not really but it's good

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LordFarquad1312
06/30/20 3:59:51 PM
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Squall28 posted...
Matchmaking system was bad. It was a complete dice roll how good everyone in your game was. You have Widows that never seem to miss, and Widows that can't hit anything (prob on your team) in the same fucking game.
It's still the same. I can't tell you how many times I've had the gold medal in kills and damage, while also having it in healing.

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BroodRyu
06/30/20 4:10:59 PM
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They let professionals and high tier comp players have too much sway in balance changes. They seem to keep buffing DPS and nerfing supports.
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Squall28
06/30/20 4:16:37 PM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
It's still the same. I can't tell you how many times I've had the gold medal in kills and damage, while also having it in healing.

Eh I'm always skeptical of healers with high elims. It's usually a Moira that isn't doing her job. And it's not hard to keep gold healing if the other healer is an offhealer like Zenyatta.

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MadDewg
06/30/20 4:29:14 PM
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Alpha218 posted...
I just assumed people got tired of the toxicity
For me, its a combination of both this and the role queue wait times.

These days, I only hop on every like, 50 days or so just to do dps placements, and even if I happen to win most of my games (won 4 and lost 1 when I did my placements this morning), you still leave the game mad as fuck. The last two games I was in, my team still won, but I had dudes bitching at me (a dps, which tends to be heat magnets by default) for not killing XXXX, but its one of those teams where the tanks never push for whatever reason, and the support were a pair that really weren't good for the team comp and counters the enemies had. Its a team effort, but nah, the dps is definitely getting chewed out first for every mistake when things go south. Its like, when I queue up, I have to wait up towards 18 minutes to finally play, only to have some dorks whining in my ear when things don't go our way? Meh.

*Also, the one game I lost was a hanamura game....the kind where the enemy steamrolls and caps both points under 3 minutes when your team is on defense, and your team never passes the initial choke on attack. Symm, flanking with reaper, going over with pharah, etc. etc., anything I did wasn't going to matter because all the tanks did was dance at the choke and the supports sat there with them (even if I managed to get a pick, the tanks on my team never got aggresive and budged. The other dps was a junkrat who never really did anything besides supercharge the enemy zarya. He never swapped off at anypoint). I waited a 18 minute queue just to get stomped in like, 6 minutes. Fun times!!*

Since I am already at the point where all I do is play 5 games to do placements, I might just uninstall the game for good at some point. The only game I played where I genuinly had fun was the very first 1....with only relevant callouts being on the voice comms. I really wish the PS4 had the gears of war series, because I would be playing that for my competitive shooter fix, =/

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Eab1990
06/30/20 4:51:18 PM
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Role queue bad. And no, I'm not a DPS main (if I DPS, I use Torb/Symm or other off-meta chars).

Hero bans were a terrible fucking idea too, but at least they got rid of them.

DPS buffs, support/barrier nerfs everywhere. Tracer and Genji have gotten meaningless nerfs throughout the game's lifecycle, while Mercy/Brigitte/etc. get shit into the ground. Even Zen's one tool for dealing with flankers got unnecessarily nerfed.

SR system is a joke. There's basically no difference between Gold and Master.

Doing fuck all with the lore or world building. Apex accomplished more with its lore in a year than Overwatch did in four.

And then there's the Blizzcon controversies, hitting the emergency gay button on Soldier 76, Blitzchung, etc.

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SF_Okami
06/30/20 4:52:07 PM
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The put role queue in. Game died immediately. At least for me

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LordFarquad1312
06/30/20 4:57:48 PM
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But yeah, the role queue is dog shit

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Broseph_Stalin
06/30/20 5:29:06 PM
#45:


BroodRyu posted...
They let professionals and high tier comp players have too much sway in balance changes. They seem to keep buffing DPS and nerfing supports.

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DeadSite
06/30/20 6:29:07 PM
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BroodRyu posted...
They let professionals and high tier comp players have too much sway in balance changes. They seem to keep buffing DPS and nerfing supports.
This is literally the opposite of what happened tho

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thronedfire2
06/30/20 6:31:31 PM
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DeadSite posted...
This is literally the opposite of what happened tho

Huh, no it isnt. Theyve been nerfing tanks/supports and buffing dps since GOATS

the only queues that are long in 2/2/2 are dps queues...because no one wants to play tank and support anymore

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DepreceV2
06/30/20 6:33:27 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
Huh, no it isnt. Theyve been nerfing tanks/supports and buffing dps since GOATS

the only queues that are long in 2/2/2 are dps queues...because no one wants to play tank and support anymore

Before that they were buffing Tanks and Supports though if Im remembering correctly

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DeadSite
06/30/20 6:33:49 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
Huh, no it isnt. Theyve been nerfing tanks/supports and buffing dps since GOATS

the only queues that are long in 2/2/2 are dps queues...because no one wants to play tank and support anymore
Overwatch died because of GOATs and even if the 2/2/2 DPS critique with the "pro players having sway in the meta" comment was true for "killing Overwatch" then why did the reigning MVP quit the game before the year was over?

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EffectAndCause
06/30/20 6:34:49 PM
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I dont get it. I just bought this a month ago and am loving it.

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