Current Events > Why is rape glorified and celebrated in American prison systems?

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Are people actually for rape? Does a rapist deserve to be raped? Either rape is ok or it's not, so why salivate over the possibility of "bad guys" being raped and abused within the prison system?

We'd all be horrified if a judge sentenced a man to be raped, but rub our hands together knowing that justice will be done when rape occurs in prison.

What gives? Anyone care to explain this one?

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Americans believe in eye for an eye.
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People tend to see prison more as a system of retribution than rehabilitation, so they think rape victims in prison deserve it.

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St0rmFury posted...

Americans believe in eye for an eye.

This. We're an immoral and violent people

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Son Of Spam posted...

People tend to see prison more as a system of retribution than rehabilitation, so they think rape victims in prison deserve it.

That's fucked up. In other words, rape is ok so long as you're perceived as a "bad guy". "Bad guys" are deserving of rape.

The whole system needs to be reworked so people are rehabilitated. The punishment is time, but if the time is used to abusing the prisoners and make them less likely to return to society in a functional way, then the whole system is pointless.

I'm so tired of seeing people celebrate literal rape. It's grotesque.

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St0rmFury posted...

Americans believe in eye for an eye.

Hell Girl would send so many souls to hellthat she'd retire early.

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https://youtu.be/txW1aEpYdc4

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I wouldn't say people celebrate it. I'd say they have no empathy or compassion for the prisoner. People think killers need to be put down. People think pedos and rapists deserve the worst action towards them. I agree, it's definitely conflictual.

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Because in American culture, male on male sex is generally seen as emasculating, especially for the recipient/bottom. So it's a person's way of saying "You're not a man and I hope one of the most emasculating things happens to you as punishment for your crimes"

Generally I've only ever seen it wished upon child predators or those that committed hate crimes against LGBT or the most heinous of cowardly murderers.

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Veggeta X posted...

I wouldn't say people celebrate it. I'd say they have no empathy or compassion for the prisoner. People think killers need to be put down. People think pedos and rapists deserve the worst action towards them. I agree, it's definitely conflictual.

If that's the belief then implement rape into the justice system. You can't be totally against rape and think it's a crime, but then think it's ok to rape prisoners.

People definitely do celebrate it. You can see it on any forum in a topic about rape, and on social media. People openly condone rape so long as it happens in jail/prison or if it happens to "bad" people.

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I'd mark it if you feel they are celebrating it.

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Thomasina posted...

If that's the belief then implement rape into the justice system. You can't be totally against rape and think it's a crime, but then think it's ok to rape prisoners.

That's be cruel and unusual punishment and not legal under the Constitution.

And Americans don't think it's "okay" . They just think you deserve something emasculating or horrible happening to you because you did something extremely fucked up (IE sexually abused a child).

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Veggeta X posted...

I'd mark it if you feel they are celebrating it.

This isn't about marking on gamefaqs. I want to understand this mindset. I want to understand the switch some people have in their heads that goes from "rape is terrible" to "rape is ok and should happen".

I mean, maybe, as someone mentioned above, it's just the view of people being sub-human when they're sentenced to time? I don't now.

There's innocent people who get sentenced to prison and are raped. Who fights for their justice and convicts their rapists?

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Social conditioning for the most part. Comedy's joke about it all the time. And it's so far removed from most people, being usually contained to prisons, or military post that the thought of it happening to most male individuals is inconceivable.

It doeasnt help either that jabs at masculinity is used alot in mainstream to mock and shame man. So anything in regards to it, even rape gets a pass it seems.

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Thomasina posted...

I want to understand the switch some people have in their heads that goes from "rape is terrible" to "rape is ok and should happen".

Because the people they're wishing it on are quite literally not human in their eyes anymore. You could probably strip their citizenship and those people would cheer.

Thomasina posted...

There's innocent people who get sentenced to prison and are raped. Who fights for their justice and convicts their rapists?

What are you going to do, give them more time? Months in solitary?

I'd argue most people in prison aren't looking to engage in raping somebody unless they themselves did something beyond fucked and they're in there for life or like 2+ decades. And additional years isn't going to deter them

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wackyteen posted...

What are you going to do, give them more time? Months in solitary?

That's a good question. Maybe people who have no chance for reform and only criminalize their time in the system ought to be executed. There's certainly people in the world that cannot be reformed. What do we do with them?

Prismsblade posted...

Social conditioning for the most part. Comedy's joke about it all the time. And it's so far removed from most people, being usually contained to prisons, or military post that the thought of it happening to most male individuals is inconceivable.

It doeasnt help either that jabs at masculinity is used alot in mainstream to mock and shame man. So anything in regards to it, even rape gets a pass it seems.

Those are good points.

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Its a movie/tv trope too at this point. I find it disgusting that there is always a prison rape scene in media with prisons

Thomasina posted...

That's a good question. Maybe people who have no chance for reform and only criminalize their time in the system ought to be executed. There's certainly people in the world that cannot be reformed. What do we do with them?

This is why I'm for the death penalty but only for extreme cases.

That Detroit man that murdered two gay people and one trans person, and got three life sentences? He shouldn't be sitting in prison draining resources. Death might be "too good" of a punishment for him but I'd rather not spend the time, money, resources, and general effort on keeping someone like him alive.

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Thomasina posted...

That's fucked up. In other words, rape is ok so long as you're perceived as a "bad guy". "Bad guys" are deserving of rape.

The whole system needs to be reworked so people are rehabilitated. The punishment is time, but if the time is used to abusing the prisoners and make them less likely to return to society in a functional way, then the whole system is pointless.

I'm so tired of seeing people celebrate literal rape. It's grotesque.

Sadly the system is working as intended. They want people to go in and out and back in the prison system. The prisons get money and businesses use the prisoners for cheap labor.

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wackyteen posted...

This is why I'm for the death penalty but only for extreme cases.

That Detroit man that murdered two gay people and one trans person, and got three life sentences? He shouldn't be sitting in prison draining resources. Death might be "too good" of a punishment for him but I'd rather not spend the time, money, resources, and general effort on keeping someone like him alive.

I tend to agree with that.

Was watching the series on Netflix "The Confession Tapes" and one case that really stood out was the father who was sentenced for killing his 4 kids by crashing his car into a river. If he's guilty of that and is convicted to 4 life sentences, why not just put him to death? Spending life in prison is just living in a different type of society. Prison shouldn't be its own society.

But if you don't think he's guilty enough to get death, then he needs another trial and a different outcome. Sitting in prison for the rest of life is so pointless.

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Because America's prison system is fundamentally broken and prison reform is treated as a low-priority for just about everyone with power.

wackyteen posted...

This is why I'm for the death penalty but only for extreme cases.

That Detroit man that murdered two gay people and one trans person, and got three life sentences? He shouldn't be sitting in prison draining resources. Death might be "too good" of a punishment for him but I'd rather not spend the time, money, resources, and general effort on keeping someone like him alive.

But it will cost more resources to execute him due to the appeals process than to just keep him alive for the rest of his life. And you can't get rid of that appeals process because it helps prevent executing more innocent people than we already do.

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Yes, the American prison system is toxic, and it's disgusting how prison rape has become a running gag people joke about. I don't care what you did, no one deserves raped. Prison is already punishment enough especially since our system is so inhumane. It doesn't help that we've thrown so many people in jail too for stupid crimes. That's the way the current system is intended to work, though.

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Thomasina posted...

Prison shouldn't be its own society.

Unless you're crushing human instincts of socializing, anywhere that humans congregate, societies of some structure will form.

Thomasina posted...

Sitting in prison for the rest of life is so pointless.

Yeah. Though the general counter argument is that you're keeping them away from society because they're too dangerous to be in society. Which just leads to "if they're too dangerous to ever be in society again, then shouldn't they be considered too dangerous to be kept alive"?

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