Current Events > Kaepernick SHOOTS HARD on Independence Day

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Damn, that was a cool video. Anyone know who it was speaking?

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This guy doesnt vote

hes full of shit

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Prismsblade posted...

The holocaust being one of the single worst atrocitys of all time that the world knows and will never forget is likely why Germany handled it the way they did. Meanwhile how many other countrys acknowledge their history of slavery? Or the numerous other sins of their past?

In regards to the confederacy the only reason they still exist is becuase....
*They had a timeless symbol(the confederate flag)
* For better or for worse(depending on perspectives)The north didnt wipe them out completely, both in lives, and the history books.

There......can be a myriad of reasons for it though so even if people acknowledge it they may not come the same conclusion as you. Their feelings toward criminals may also be a factor. Some have sympathy while others have zero tolerance.

The American slave trade was another of history's worst atrocities, although it isn't presented that way. Millions died just on the way here and millions died here, not counting the destruction of families, the maimings, the mass imprisonment, the rape. And it lasted for centuries, not 10 years. Simply acknowledging it is not good enough when much of our society was either built on or funded by it and the consequences flow down unabated to the present day.

The Confederate image is in no way timeless. It was implanted with any lasting aura it has by people like the KKK and the white supremacists of the 20th century who warped history to create the Lost Cause myth to whitewash the Confederacy, by the people who took up the mantle of the Confederacy and installed white supremacy in former confederate states, and by white people in non-confederate states who had nothing to do with the Confederacy, but loved white supremacy.

As I think I've said before, the War on Drugs was explicitly a project of racial domination. Its had its intended effect. And much of our attitude towards crime, especially drug crime, piggybacks off of deep seated racism and leads to the idea that huge portions of the population are just fundamentally dangerous, incorrigible, undeserving of mercy, and simply need to be removed from society for everyone's safety. See Superpredators. It's not a coincidence that almost as soon as the Civil Rights laws were passed and black people began to have some semblance of true freedom, the War on Drugs was started not even a few years later and mass incarceration of lower class black people began.

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J E S U S posted...

This guy doesnt vote

hes full of shit

Its always been a hustle. He didnt start this until he got benched and was on his way out of the NFL.

ohiostate124 posted...

Its always been a hustle. He didnt start this until he got benched and was on his way out of the NFL.

Wrong

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I've seen some of my black friends post this sort of thing for years, and honestly they're right. We're celebrating white peoples' independence from a different group of white people, but black people were still slaves for a long time after that

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ohiostate124 posted...

Lmao. Not buried whatsoever. You all are just ignorant.

"Racism will go away if people will ignore it"


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Taharqa_ posted...

"Racism will go away if people will ignore it"

Like I said, ignorant.

1NfamousACE_2 posted...

Wrong

Explain

@1NfamousACE_2

ohiostate124 posted...

Like I said, ignorant.

Keep pulling black people that happen to align with your views from your deck. It's no wonder you quote Booker T. Washington and Thomas Sowell, they're safe and non-threatening to the status quo

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Ohiostate124 is a blatant troll just trying to destroy a topic where some actual discussion on an incredibly touchy topic is taking place. Ignore and move on.

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legendary_zell posted...

Ohiostate124 is a blatant troll just trying to destroy a topic where some actual discussion on an incredibly touchy topic is taking place. Ignore and move on.

Calling people on their bullshit is not trolling.

Taharqa_ posted...

Keep pulling black people that happen to align with your views from your deck. It's no wonder you quote Booker T. Washington and Thomas Sowell, they're safe and non-threatening to the status quo

Why are you so racist toward black people who dont agree with your views?

ohiostate124 posted...

Calling people on their bullshit is not trolling.

You haven't called anybody on anything. Anymore black conservatives that assuage your views on race in this society?

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legendary_zell posted...

Ohiostate124 is a blatant troll just trying to destroy a topic where some actual discussion on an incredibly touchy topic is taking place. Ignore and move on.

Yeah, he's not bright at all.

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Im gonna be honest.

This seems stupid. There are plenty of black people who celebrate 4th of July because we dont consider it symbolism for the past. Its just a day for family to shoot fireworks (or guns for the less intelligent) and eat.

The last thing I need is white people thinking I hate Independence Day just because some athlete claimed we wont celebrate it.

Lets focus on things actually important.

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Huh. I guess the 4th of July wasnt racist when Obama was president.

Yes we all know no one's viewpoints change over the course of 9 years

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Never have I ever seen independence day in my eyes as a black man who grew up in America as a celebration of America's independence for myself a celebration of freedom. I just can't celebrate it the same way mentally as a white person. I use this day to celebrate good food, setting shit off, my friends and my neighbors.
But when I do take the time to think about this day and also freedom, which one is to do. I begin to think about my people's history and how we were not free. I think about how crazy it must have been and felt back in those times for my ancestors. I imagine them barely clothed. I see them on boats shackled and chained with a whip at their back and white figures hovering over them as they row. I picture them on farms and plantations doing forced labor all day long. I see them raped. I imagine the degradation.

Then I fast forward and picture segregation. Civil rights movement. War on drugs. Our stereotypesd roles in film. The demonizing of our music and culture in the 90s, something that I can remember because I lived through it. Civil rights 2020 and the fact that there is a movement called BLM and that it triggers majority white people. The fact that a black man regardless of a priveledged upbringing gets berated for posting a video about his people's lack of freedom on independence day. As if people can't believe that even that he grew up around whites and has money, that he could never have experienced racism.

Even though here in America us black and white people live together, we live in two completely different worlds, and I just don't ever think that here in America there will ever be a day where a white person could ever understand any of this. But it is not wrong of white people to celebrate their day of freedom from Britain. For them it is a victory and certainly for them a day worth celebrating. I see nothing wrong with the day. It's just not for everybody and white people need to quit getting upset that not everyone holds the day in such high regards as they do. Still a good day to eat good food, drink and enjoy the company of loved ones.

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ohiostate124 posted...

Reported for racism

Ok, racist.

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Genesis_Angeal posted...

Never have I ever seen independence day in my eyes as a black man who grew up in America as a celebration of America's independence for myself a celebration of freedom. I just can't celebrate it the same way mentally as a white person. I use this day to celebrate good food, setting shit off, my friends and my neighbors.
But when I do take the time to think about this day and also freedom, which one is to do. I begin to think about my people's history and how we were not free. I think about how crazy it must have been and felt back in those times for my ancestors. I imagine them barely clothed. I see them on boats shackled and chained with a whip at their back and white figures hovering over them as they row. I picture them on farms and plantations doing forced labor all day long. I see them raped. I imagine the degradation.

Then I fast forward and picture segregation. The tar and feathering. The lynchings. Civil rights movement. War on drugs. Our stereotypesd roles in film. The demonizing of our music and culture in the 90s, something that I can remember because I lived through it. Civil rights 2020 and the fact that there is a movement called BLM and that it triggers majority white people. The fact that a black man regardless of a priveledged upbringing gets berated for posting a video about his people's lack of freedom on independence day. As if people can't believe that even that he grew up around whites and has money, that he could never have experienced racism.

Even though here in America us black and white people live together, we live in two completely different worlds, and I just don't ever think that here in America there will ever be a day where a white person could ever understand any of this. But it is not wrong of white people to celebrate their day of freedom from Britain. For them it is a victory and certainly for them a day worth celebrating. I see nothing wrong with the day. It's just not for everybody and white people need to quit getting upset that not everyone holds the day in such high regards as they do. Still a good day to eat good food, drink and enjoy the company of loved ones.

Preach dude

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Taharqa_ posted...

Just wait until y'all read what Frederick Douglas had to say about the 4th of July.

cjsdowg posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tTkHJWxfP0

I don't understand the point of bringing this up. The speech was given in 1852 and slavery wasn't over at the time. If you bring a former slave to give a speech commemorating freedom a country when his own people aren't free in that country, ones that he is fighting for the rights of, what the flying **** did you expect him to say?
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We still have slaves

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Blue_Inigo posted...

We still have slaves

Yes, sex slaves. They are sometimes children, which is even worse IMO.

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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Yes, sex slaves. They are sometimes children, which is even worse IMO.

And relevant to the topic, all races are susceptible to slavery in this country, and it is not sanctioned by the government. Trying to spin this as applicable to a white supremacy narrative is dishonest.
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yemmy posted...

-oof strawmanning me

Still trying to figure out the meme on this board where people want to label everything as a "strawman" like they just learned that word existed 10 minutes ago

You brought up Stephen A Smith. I addressed that by saying nobody gives a shit about what that clown says so it's odd that you pick him as your "even this guy" example. The only time he isn't yelling at 150 decibels indoors on television acting like he's in a minstrel show is when some random athlete dies, and then 2 days later its back to business as usual. Where's the "strawman"

While we're at it, what's Ja Rule's take on all of this

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legendary_zell posted...

Ohiostate124 is a blatant troll just trying to destroy a topic where some actual discussion on an incredibly touchy topic is taking place. Ignore and move on.

What's the touchy subject? Isn't this about the rich asshole pretending he gives a shit about any of this?
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Slayer_22 posted...

What's the touchy subject? Isn't this about the rich asshole pretending he gives a shit about any of this?

That's your well poisoning characterization of this. And that's not what the little reasonable discussion happening in this topic was actually about. It's about the views of some members of marginalized groups on a holiday celebrating freedom and equality when they are not free or equal.

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legendary_zell posted...

That's your well poisoning characterization of this. And that's not what the little reasonable discussion happening in this topic was actually about. It's about the views of some members of marginalized groups on a holiday celebrating freedom and equality when they are not free or equal.

Except they are free and equal.

It's weird how he says your when he himself is half white and raised by white parents.

Is he just rejecting that part of his heritage and identifying solely as black?

And Americans of every background celebrate the Fourth of July acting like it's an exclusive holiday for whites is ridiculous.

The_Ivory_Man posted...

It's weird how he says your when he himself is half white and raised by white parents.

Is he just rejecting that part of his heritage and identifying solely as black?

And Americans of every background celebrate the Fourth of July acting like it's an exclusive holiday for whites is ridiculous.

Seriously. The people trying to start shit over Independence Day suddenly are a very vocal minority.

He was fine with July 4th when Obama was president.

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legendary_zell posted...

That's your well poisoning characterization of this. And that's not what the little reasonable discussion happening in this topic was actually about. It's about the views of some members of marginalized groups on a holiday celebrating freedom and equality when they are not free or equal.

The topic of discussion isn't that, it's that this guy is a hypocritical ass. Simple.
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The_Ivory_Man posted...

It's weird how he says your when he himself is half white and raised by white parents.

Is he just rejecting that part of his heritage and identifying solely as black?

And Americans of every background celebrate the Fourth of July acting like it's an exclusive holiday for whites is ridiculous.

Kaep grows an afro and all of a sudden thinks he's black. He's as black as the Hodge twins.

MacadamianNut3 posted...

Still trying to figure out the meme on this board where people want to label everything as a "strawman" like they just learned that word existed 10 minutes ago

You brought up Stephen A Smith. I addressed that by saying nobody gives a shit about what that clown says so it's odd that you pick him as your "even this guy" example. The only time he isn't yelling at 150 decibels indoors on television acting like he's in a minstrel show is when some random athlete dies, and then 2 days later its back to business as usual. Where's the "strawman"

While we're at it, what's Ja Rule's take on all of this. But yeah, let's get rid of the strawman. What's the reason that you picked Stephen A Smith as your notable example in a topic full of suspiciously picked examples

I mentioned Stephen A Smith because he is vocal about racism and he actually knows Colin Kaepernick.

But yeah grasp at more straws and don't address anything else I said because I mentioned Stephen A Smith. (Meanwhile saying let's get rid of the strawman).

I'm done with this argument. You accuse me of only knowing the term strawman or grasping straws 10 minutes ago but you obviously still don't know what it means because you did it again. Roll tide, i answered your question. Keep on going off about how much you don't like Stephen A Smith like I actually give a fuck.

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yemmy posted...

Keep on going off about how much you don't like Stephen A Smith like I actually give a fuck.

Well that that's obvious since you keep riding him so hard

And Colin Kaepernick holding a workout at a high school to be an attention whore doesn't mean jack shit in the context of this topic

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MacadamianNut3 posted...

Well that that's obvious since you keep riding him so hard

You're just trolling me at this point. I have no use for this bullshit

To the ignore list you go

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Oh noes not yemmy's ignore list what will I do now

Also lol, the "knows Kaepernick" thing just clicked for me, since I forgot another Stephen A Smith gimmick other than yelling 90% of the time is claiming that he knows everyone remotely associated with sports but I don't keep up with the circus newsletter

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When you put someone on ignore can they still see your posts or does it go both ways?

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yemmy posted...

When you put someone on ignore can they still see your posts or does it go both ways?

They can see your posts. There is no way to stop them, they just won't see yours.
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yemmy posted...

When you put someone on ignore can they still see your posts or does it go both ways?

You can block them then they can't see anything you post.

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