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Wuhan
07/07/20 11:55:17 AM
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Ill start.

In Michael Crichtons novel Jurassic Park, the character Ian Malcolm clearly and unquestionably dies but in the follow up novel, The Lost World, Ian Malcolm is alive and the main character
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berlyman101
07/07/20 11:57:19 AM
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pinky0926
07/07/20 11:58:24 AM
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There's a character in One Piece who just comes out of fucking nowhere. He's so vitally important to the main character's back story and yet he somehow was never once mentioned in the story until like 600 chapters in. And then a bunch of flashbacks suddenly have him in it like he was there all the time. Goddamn I felt gaslit.

And fanboys will argue up and down till they're blue that it was just Oda being a masterful storyteller but those of us who have read like at least one book that's not an anime shonen know what's up.

The worst thing is that his appearance just cheapens the events that happen in the story. I don't really want to go into it unless people want to read a big black block of spoiler text.

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DevsBro
07/07/20 12:01:25 PM
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Pretty much every issue of DC and Marvel comics.

THEY SAVED LUTHOR'S BRAIN!

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boxington
07/07/20 12:02:35 PM
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Uncharted 4 Nathan suddenly has this brother even though with Uncharted 3, we already had a flashback to his childhood

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cjs28
07/07/20 12:03:44 PM
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Wuhan posted...
Ill start.

In Michael Crichtons novel Jurassic Park, the character Ian Malcolm clearly and unquestionably dies but in the follow up novel, The Lost World, Ian Malcolm is alive and the main character
Yeah, I thought that was complete bullshit when I was reading through both novels lol

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Killmonger
07/07/20 12:04:00 PM
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DC Comics.
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Master_Bass
07/07/20 12:04:12 PM
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Bullet_Wing posted...
Who is this? Use spoiler tags if necessary, makes me curious and I'd like to look up more info about it.
This. Give us the details. I'm curious now.

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cjs28
07/07/20 12:05:04 PM
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That one comic in Spiderman where he is married to Mary Jane and such but then Aunt May dies and he makes a deal with the devil to save old-ass Aunt May but reverse everything he did with Mary Jane.

Why the fuck did they allow that!? >_>

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Questionmarktarius
07/07/20 12:05:14 PM
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Probably some dumb thing Doctor Who did.
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Kastrada
07/07/20 12:08:04 PM
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Wuhan posted...
Ill start.

In Michael Crichtons novel Jurassic Park, the character Ian Malcolm clearly and unquestionably dies but in the follow up novel, The Lost World, Ian Malcolm is alive and the main character

Malcom was just declared in a little aside note right? He wasn't eaten by a dinosaur or anything catostrophic. He had injuries and they said he died but it wasn't something a person couldn't come back from obviously.

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EmbraceOfDeath
07/07/20 12:11:22 PM
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Bullet_Wing posted...
Who is this? Use spoiler tags if necessary, makes me curious and I'd like to look up more info about it.
Mr. Poopybutthole

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Blightzkrieg
07/07/20 12:11:31 PM
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cjs28 posted...
That one comic in Spiderman where he is married to Mary Jane and such but then Aunt May dies and he makes a deal with the devil to save old-ass Aunt May but reverse everything he did with Mary Jane.

Why the fuck did they allow that!? >_>
Aunt May died once and then it was revealed to be an actress hired by Norman Osborn

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DevsBro
07/07/20 12:12:37 PM
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Or how about Earth no longer being destroyed in the later HHGG books?

I guess retcons are kind of the name of the game with HHGG but still.

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Fenriswolf
07/07/20 12:12:59 PM
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Wuhan posted...
Ill start.

In Michael Crichtons novel Jurassic Park, the character Ian Malcolm clearly and unquestionably dies but in the follow up novel, The Lost World, Ian Malcolm is alive and the main character

A similar thing happened with the book 2010 Odyssey Two, which is based on the 2001 A Space Odyssey movie's continuity rather than the book's. The climax of the book took place on one of Saturn's moons but the movie took place on one of Jupiter's

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SmidgeIsntBack
07/07/20 12:13:11 PM
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It's cheating to bring up comics but some of the dumbest ones:

One More Day

New 52

Doombots


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pinky0926
07/07/20 12:14:10 PM
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Bullet_Wing posted...
Who is this? Use spoiler tags if necessary, makes me curious and I'd like to look up more info about it.

This is going to trigger the fuck out of One Piece fans but alright.

The character is called Sabo. I'm assuming you know next to nothing about One Piece, so here's the cliffnotes.

Luffy - the main character - is set up as an only child to begin with. Later it's revealed he has a badass older "blood brother" called Ace. Ace is the perfect older brother type - strong, cool, badass, smart, etc. You get a whole lot of flashback scenes where they were growing up together throughout the story. They're brothers because they exchanged sake cups as kids and drank to it.

At this point, Luffy having an older brother character has narrative sense to it. There's an aspirational character for him to aim for, as is common in pretty much any coming of age hero story. And you also know what's gonna happen to Ace for that reason.

There's an entire story arc where Luffy goes to save Ace from being executed, which ends tragically with Ace dying anyway. In his dying moments, he conversationally mentions Sabo and that's that.

Later on, you find out that Sabo was in fact the third blood brother, so they were in fact a trio of kids together. Cue a bunch of retconned familiar scenes - now it's Ace, Sabo and Luffy playing as kids. Now it's Ace, Sabo and Luffy being trained by grandpa. Now it's Ace, Sabo and Luffy drinking Sake together.

However sadly, Sabo was murdered in an explosion when they were kids. Very sad, sniff sniff.

It feels weird because never once has Sabo been mentioned until now. Like all those times Luffy and Ace were reminiscing about childhood they never once thought about the other brother they hung out with every day? It's odd to say the least. Remember, it's not like they were two brothers with an occasional mate they called a brother. It's very clear that they were painted as a trio.

Anyway, cutting to the end. Turns out Sabo is still alive to this day. Moreover, he's cool, strong, smart, and even inherits Ace's special fire attack ability. In fact he's so much like Ace that he slots in perfectly to the same role with some minor differences in faction - Ace was a pirate, Sabo is a revolutionary, which just means he's a pirate with politics.

One Piece fans will give some (imo) very woolly justifications to say all this was foreshadowed, but I don't buy it. That motherfucker came out of the ether and replaced Ace almost immediately after he died, which to me feels a bit cheap.

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Zeromous375
07/07/20 12:16:39 PM
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Bullet_Wing posted...
Who is this? Use spoiler tags if necessary, makes me curious and I'd like to look up more info about it.

Master_Bass posted...
This. Give us the details. I'm curious now.

I'm sure he's talking about Sabo
Ninja'd


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DevsBro
07/07/20 12:18:54 PM
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Dunno if this counts but there was a short arc where Batman dies several times, then turns out to have just been a series of people dressed as Batman.

I don't even.

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MrMallard
07/07/20 12:21:51 PM
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Bullet_Wing posted...
I feel like Doctor Who is excluded though. Mainly because the show doesn't take itself seriously and often has future characters changing things past characters fucked up.

I can't even imagine how convoluted a Doctor Who timeline would look
Trust me, it's stupid. All the time war stuff with Gallifrey, to start, but Skaro is particularly inconsistent. Its status in the show's canon, as well as whenever it appears in Big Finish productions, is a 50/50 crapshoot that can be explained by "time travel restoration/destruction happened". It's a mess.

Honestly, Doctor Who has been a "watching by the scene of your pants" show ever since Moffat had his run. People shit on Chris Chibnall for his run as showrunner, but I can assure you that most of the shit he's been hit with started with Moffat. Dude's at least trying to move forward and make interesting new plotlines, instead of "what if... The Doctor... was afraid of the monster under his bed?", or "what if... the Zygons... were ISIS?"

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GodIsImaginary
07/07/20 12:22:09 PM
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Wuhan posted...
Ill start.

In Michael Crichtons novel Jurassic Park, the character Ian Malcolm clearly and unquestionably dies but in the follow up novel, The Lost World, Ian Malcolm is alive and the main character

Also, the island and cloning laboratories depicted in the first movie/book were all for show and the actual cloning was happening on a different island that nobody ever mentioned....lol wtf.
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pinky0926
07/07/20 12:25:52 PM
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I give Doctor Who a pass for two reasons. Well, 3.

1) It's a silly show that people shouldn't take seriously
2) if you're a timelord and you can rewrite all of time and space then you can pretty much do anything
3) When Steve Moffat writes a plot he doesn't seem bothered by trivial things like canonical sense, or even logical sense, or narrative sense, or common sense

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Questionmarktarius
07/07/20 12:37:27 PM
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pinky0926 posted...
3) When Steve Moffat writes a plot he doesn't seem bothered by trivial things like canonical sense, or even logical sense, or narrative sense, or common sense
Douglas Adams did it better.
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pinky0926
07/07/20 12:40:12 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Douglas Adams did it better.

Terry Pratchett also knew how to confuse a story in a satisfyingly befuddling way, and not in a way that makes you want to close the book and return it to the shelf.

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Verdekal
07/07/20 12:42:01 PM
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The entire X-Men franchise. What a mess.

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Solar_Crimson
07/07/20 12:47:31 PM
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Han/Greedo shot first

Surprised that hasn't been mentioned.

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SmidgeIsntBack
07/07/20 1:05:32 PM
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DevsBro posted...
Dunno if this counts but there was a short arc where Batman dies several times, then turns out to have just been a series of people dressed as Batman.

I don't even.

Batman: Three Jokers comes out next month. Technically that plot was revealed like two years ago, but I don't think it was ever fully explained till now.

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rideshort
07/07/20 1:58:56 PM
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All of Crisis on Infinite Earths then Flashpoint.

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Pepys Monster
07/07/20 2:02:16 PM
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Michael Myers has been retconned in just about every movie.

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Pseudomenon
07/07/20 2:05:13 PM
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Edge & Christian being good/childhood friends


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Zanzenburger
07/07/20 2:26:06 PM
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Probably not as big as any others mentioned here, but in Prison Break, Sarah's death was a huge retcon in my opinion. Not only do they make it pretty clear that she's dead, but they send Michael her head in a box. Then later on they say she is alive and well and tell him he was sent a fake head (or someone else's head). How could he not take one look at that head and not realize it's not Sarah's?

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DevsBro
07/07/20 3:47:44 PM
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Apollo wanting a rematch

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Questionmarktarius
07/07/20 4:07:04 PM
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DevsBro posted...
Apollo wanting a rematch
Rocky not having severe brain damage anymore.
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Turbam
07/07/20 4:12:15 PM
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DMC 2 used to be at the very end of the Devil May Cry timeline, but after 5, it was moved to take place between 4 and 1

So, it used to be:
3-1-Anime-4-2

Now, it's
3-1-Anime-2-4-5

This is honestly a 10/10 retcon, because it explains why Dante is so out of character in 2. He ends up killing Virgil, his brother, in 1 and all throughout the anime he is obviously depressed. In 4 however, he's his normal self-except for the beginning of the game, where he acts exactly like he did in 2 up until he meets Nero. So the reason Dante acts the way he does in 2, is because he is depressed that he doesn't have any family left in the world, and when he finally meets Nero in 4 he realizes he has a nephew and becomes his old self again.

Wow :V

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discodancer77
07/07/20 4:18:17 PM
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Letty in the Fast and Furious movies

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DeadBankerDream
07/07/20 4:19:11 PM
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Your parents were nobodies. Because they chose to be.
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Blue_Target
07/07/20 4:20:55 PM
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X-men movies gets more confusing after every Wolverine and First Class film

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