Poll of the Day > They released the George Floyd bodycam transcript

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Zangulus posted...

Ahhh yes. When people refuse to accept your bad arguments, theyre the ones that are mad while you lash out and insult people. Brilliant.

Waaaah I only insulted him after he called me dumb. Don't dish it out if you can't take it

Also, nothing I've said is factually incorrect which I know makes you even angrier

OhhhJa posted...

"You're right about drugs but I'm going to complain about the way you were right"

You're a genius man

And again, Mr. Genius shows he incapable of a nuanced discussion

Except I've said I think twice now that i agree with the cop being charged but you guys are foaming at the mouth and can't see past your blind rage

Are you doing the nuanced thing ironically? Cause, it's funny.
If not, and of course it's not it's even more funny.

You're saying him being on drugs make him have a full blown anxiety attack and it killed him.
Completely dismissing the knee on the neck is what were arguing about in case you forgot. Seems like you did.


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I'm sure this is the same level of scrutiny you apply to all events, right? Including ones where the accepted narrative already fits your worldview. Just a logical centrist asking questions

Haha just kidding you're actually the same as all the other racists who will do anything to not see something wrong with this or countless other police murders. If you're tripping through this many logical leaps to explain how nine minutes of choking isn't to blame then stop making meaningless statements on how you agree with him being charged

OhhhJa posted...

Also, nothing I've said is factually incorrect which I know makes you even angrier

You're saying that all of your opinions are facts now? Lol

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LB1 posted...

If you're tripping through this many logical leaps to explain how nine minutes of choking isn't to blame then stop making meaningless statements on how you agree with him being charged

Yeah, I'm confused now that you mentioned that: Why do you think the officer should be charged if you also believe his death wasnt his fault?

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I marked this topic and all this dude's racist ass posts but I'm sure gamefaqs won't do anything. I wouldn't be surprised if I get modded though. Calling people racist is bad, actually being racist is okay though

Edit: I marked the topic yesterday to be clear, so I should say I know they won't do anything

OhhhJa posted...

He was freaking out beyond what is normal

I mean, I dont think you can really say whats a normal amount of panic for him. Even before he died, other people had been recently killed by cops. So, being very afraid probably wouldnt be weird...

OhhhJa posted...

But a sober healthy person would've lived

A sober healthy person can also have an anxiety attack, though... Also, people react to drugs differently. Ive be high before, but wasnt scared of anything...
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Only people on drugs have anxiety. He knows because he did a drug once

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If you have any sort of medical conditions at all you better watch out because the police might kill you with a totally reasonable nine minute choking and this is not a problem with the police. Boy it sucks having such a big brain. Why can't everyone be smart and logical like me?

EvilMegas posted...

You're saying that all of your opinions are facts now? Lol

The only opinions I've posted are that he should be charged and that his being restrained by his neck was a definite contributing factor. Everything else is just factual info about drugs

EvilMegas posted...

Only people on drugs have anxiety. He knows because he did a drug once

No I said drugs can heighten your anxiety. Your argument is so weak you have to constantly misconstrue mine.
EvilMegas posted...

Yeah, I'm confused now that you mentioned that: Why do you think the officer should be charged if you also believe his death wasnt his fault?

Are you forgetting things as you move on or something? Are YOU on drugs? How many times do I have to repeat things lol

OhhhJa posted...

No I said drugs can heighten your anxiety.

Youre right to say it can. But theres no proof that it actually did...
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OhhhJa posted...

But i also do think its possible that someone high as a fucking kite could panic themselves into cardiac arrest (especially if they aren't healthy to begin with) whether there is a medical term for that or not. Probably why he was saying he couldn't feel his face. I've never done meth or pcp but coke can make your face numb

"I only had two opinions and the rest were facts"

I guess this was a fact and not speculation?

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OhhhJa posted...

Are you forgetting things as you move on or something?

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LinkPizza posted...

Youre right to say it can. But theres no proof that it actually did...

Just like many other aspects of this case people are speculating endlessly about. Didnt the toxicology show high levels of drugs in this dude's system though? Not that it wasn't obvious enough in the transcript the dude was high as a kite

EvilMegas posted...

"I only had two opinions and the rest were facts"

I guess this was a fact and not speculation?

If you're referring to that last sentence, I never said that was a fact. I said "probably"

OhhhJa posted...

Didnt the toxicology show high levels of drugs in this dude's system though? Not that it wasn't obvious enough in the transcript the dude was high as a kite

Sure. But I didnt say he wasnt high. Im saying that just because he was high doesnt mean his anxiety was raised. Or that he wouldnt have been as scared sober. Or that it actually contributed to his death...
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LinkPizza posted...

Sure. But I didnt say he wasnt high. Im saying that just because he was high doesnt mean his anxiety was raised. Or that he wouldnt have been as scared sober. Or that it actually contributed to his death...

Are you an expert on Meth to say that for sure?

I'm no expert on meth either, but I've done enough nightshifts at a 7/11 to know that tweakers are just as strong and agile as a typical mid-weight MMA fighter when backed into the corner by cops. As well as their health is just as fragile too. Once the cops find out that a suspect in under the influence of drugs, it's pretty much a mandate to excessive force to subdue them.

Junkies themselves in those situations adopt a self-victimization mentality thinking they've done nothing wrong, because it's everyone's fault but their own. One minute they are chasing dragons in their own personal heaven, next thing you know a team of cops is crushing your head into the pavement. Double-down on the culture clashing on being "black in america", while dealing with cops..... THEN seeing the situation multiply, when the cops have to increase their force in taking the junkie down....

...so it's foolish to think anyone's anxiety wouldn't be raised in those situations.

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Joker_X_II posted...

Are you an expert on Meth to say that for sure?

I'm no expert on meth either, but I've done enough nightshifts at a 7/11 to know that tweakers are just as strong and agile as a typical mid-weight MMA fighter when backed into the corner by cops. As well as their health is just as fragile too. Once the cops find out that a suspect in under the influence of drugs, it's pretty much a mandate to excessive force to subdue them.

Junkies themselves in those situations adopt a self-victimization mentality thinking they've done nothing wrong, because it's everyone's fault but their own. One minute they are chasing dragons in their own personal heaven, next thing you know a team of cops is crushing your head into the pavement. Double-down on the culture clashing on being "black in america", while dealing with cops..... THEN seeing the situation multiply, when the cops have to increase their force in taking the junkie down....

...so it's foolish to think anyone's anxiety wouldn't be raised in those situations.

Cops are such little pissbabies. Being a roofer is like 3x more dangerous but that doesn't give the roofer the right to use deadly force against me lol

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chlc3d posted...

Cops are such little pissbabies. Being a roofer is like 3x more dangerous but that doesn't give the roofer the right to use deadly force against me lol

Overall, I'd agree but I'd bet 99% of this board wouldn't be man enough to subdue someone and make an arrest

You know that alot of us are ex-military or police, right?

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EvilMegas posted...

You know that alot of us are ex-military or police, right?

Ex-military doesn't mean shit lol. Some of the biggest nerds I know were in the army and thats not to trash them. Just that being in the military doesn't make you a badass

OhhhJa posted...

Overall, I'd agree but I'd bet 99% of this board wouldn't be man enough to subdue someone and make an arrest

I've kinetically ascertained that actually 2% of this board is man enough to subdue someone and make an arrest

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OhhhJa posted...

Ex-military doesn't mean shit lol. Some of the biggest nerds I know were in the army and thats not to trash them. Just that being in the military doesn't make you a badass

Ah yes, I forgot your anecdote is law

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EvilMegas posted...

Ah yes, I forgot your anecdote is law

He says immediately after he used his anecdote as an argument lmao

EvilMegas posted...

Ah yes, I forgot your anecdote is law

yeah dude being a soldier in the us army is so tough. sitting at a monitor with an xbox controller aiming your drone at weddings really takes a lot out of you

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OhhhJa posted...

He says immediately after he used his anecdote as an argument lmao

You don't know that word means, either?

Okay, you can't use you're personal story as a fact.

I didn't use a personal story, it's a fact that a lot of PotDers are ex military or police and that they can more than likely can subdue a adult.

I dont know if I can make it more layman than that. Sorry.

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I wasnt aware that being military meant that you make arrests. It was an anecdote bruh. Sorry to break it to ya

chlc3d posted...

Being a roofer is like 3x more dangerous but that doesn't give the roofer the right to use deadly force against me

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One of the dudes I knew in the army had a desk job. Don't think he was in the business of subduing people lmao

OhhhJa posted...

I wasnt aware that being military meant that you make arrests. It was an anecdote bruh. Sorry to break it to ya

You honestly believe they don't teach people how to subdue people in the military?
You think they carry zip ties just cause? You think the military just kills everyone and don't ask questions? What happens to people that surrender?

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OhhhJa posted...

One of the dudes I knew in the army had a desk job. Don't think he was in the business of subduing people lmao

More anecdotes! On top of that, you arent even sure, just assuming lol

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EvilMegas posted...

What happens to people that surrender?

they get tortured?

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Okay has this conversation really devolved into saying that cops are tougher than the military

Cops do a ton of pencil pushing too

Joker_X_II posted...

...besides all that, the TLDR of it is, that there is going to be a part of the trial where Floyd is going to have to be held accountable for who he is, whether it's for the prosecution or the defense.

There will be, but that's really only because what's-his-face's defense attorney is going to have nothing to stand on except to paint the victim as somebody who needed to die. The trial is to determine whether or not he was justified in kneeling on the dude's neck for eight minutes and most likely killing him by doing so. If not, then he is guilty of murder. Anything else brought up in the trial is purely deflection.

OhhhJa posted...

But a sober healthy person would've lived

Man, it's almost like having different protocols for dealing with mental illness/substance abuse problems instead of relying on inadequately-trained police to resolve such situations forcefully might be an effective change that would cut down on the number of unnecessary deaths at the hands of police. I wonder if any of the BLM people have suggested reallocating funds from police to help establish such services instead of just giving the police bigger hammers to solve problems that aren't actually nails. That seems like it would be a good idea.

I don't doubt that he was high. I don't doubt that being high contributed to his death. I could even be persuaded that his death could be considered inevitable given a normal police response and how the resultant anxiety would interact with his drug use. I do, however, doubt that his death couldn't have been prevented with better training and application of resources, and that is a key element of the cries to reform/defund the police.

Of course, none of that has any relevance to what's-his-name's murder charges. Regardless of the exact nuance of how Floyd died, kneeling on a suspect's neck is never appropriate police conduct and was almost certainly a contributing factor in his death. That cop is a murderer, plain and simple. Pre-existing health or drug issues that made Floyd's death more likely don't change that.

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EvilMegas posted...

More anecdotes! On top of that, you arent even sure, just assuming lol

No i know for a fact he didnt subdue people lol. Do you really think people in the military do this regularly or that many do it ever? Not all military are navy seals bruh
EvilMegas posted...

You honestly believe they don't teach people how to subdue people in the military?

Because learning something in training equates to a real life encounter lol. Are you serious right now my man? I can train in martial arts but it doesn't mean I can kick someone's ass if I don't actually apply that knowledge by sparring

I'm not just talking about from a physical level either. I'm talking about having the actual cajones to subdue someone and make an arrest. You could train how to make an arrest all day but it doesn't mean you have the cajones to actually lay hands on a stranger and take them to the ground

This guy thinks cops are ballsy lol. They get "scared for their life" at the slightest hint of someone being agitated with them, even while they carry some manner of guns/shields/batons/irritant weapons, and often unarmed people are still too scary

Joker_X_II posted...

Are you an expert on Meth to say that for sure?

I'm no expert on meth either, but I've done enough nightshifts at a 7/11 to know that tweakers are just as strong and agile as a typical mid-weight MMA fighter when backed into the corner by cops. As well as their health is just as fragile too. Once the cops find out that a suspect in under the influence of drugs, it's pretty much a mandate to excessive force to subdue them.

Junkies themselves in those situations adopt a self-victimization mentality thinking they've done nothing wrong, because it's everyone's fault but their own. One minute they are chasing dragons in their own personal heaven, next thing you know a team of cops is crushing your head into the pavement. Double-down on the culture clashing on being "black in america", while dealing with cops..... THEN seeing the situation multiply, when the cops have to increase their force in taking the junkie down....

...so it's foolish to think anyone's anxiety wouldn't be raised in those situations.

Try reading. Im not saying anything was sure. Im saying that you cant say anything for sure. What I do know about drugs is that they affect everyone differently. Just because most people act a certain way on drugs doesnt mean thats how everyone will react.

Also, just because you assume his anxiety was raised means nothing. We cant just assume because its makes it better for one.
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LinkPizza posted...

Also, just because you assume his anxiety was raised means nothing. We cant just assume because its makes it better for one.

The dude said he had anxiety and multiple times he made it known he was scared. Read the transcript

OhhhJa posted...

Do you really think people in the military do this regularly or that many do it ever?

No. But they do teach different hints in basic. It changes constantly. But they do teach you how subdue people at some point. Even if they are bigger or stronger. Whether people remember how or still can is another story, though...

As for being brave enough, idk. Thats different for each person. I know people brave enough to do anything, even if they most likely cant. And people can say a lot of things when they no face to face with someone. Like theres this guy who makes pranks calls and gets people riled up. They say stuff like Ill kick you ass. And when he ask if he can meet them at (actual address), people start to freak out a little and say, I dont know where that is. Haha. But I can say that for police, its not really dependent on if theyre brave enough to subdue someone. They have to. At least, based on the many officers I know. For a normal person, it could be the same. In most cases, we may not be brave enough to randomly subdue someone, but we probably would if we had to for some reason...
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LB1 posted...

This guy thinks cops are ballsy lol. They get "scared for their life" at the slightest hint of someone being agitated with them, even while they carry some manner of guns/shields/batons/irritant weapons, and often unarmed people are still too scary

Thats always what they use in court, too. Whether its true or not, they always talk about firing their gun at someone because they were scared for their life. So, if thats true, then they probably arent much braver than the regular public, I would think...

OhhhJa posted...

The dude said he had anxiety and multiple times he made it known he was scared. Read the transcript

Yeah. Because he was worried. But we still cant say it was more than it would have been if he were sober. Which is what you were assuming...
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LinkPizza posted...

Just because most people act a certain way on drugs doesnt mean thats how everyone will react.

So if you were a cop.... what does that mean? less force? more?

I'm betting there are cop stories out there where he gave the benefit of the doubt....guess what happened to that officer?

Also, just because you assume his anxiety was raised means nothing. We cant just assume because its makes it better for one.

I'm sure that's what the BLM narrative wants you to believe but reality says otherwise...

Try reading. Im not saying anything was sure. Im saying that you cant say anything for sure.

Try making sense...

Cops don't have the luxury to quickly assess the mental state of junkies. You think the moment they find out drugs are a factor, he'll loosen the cuffs and trust he'll stay put while continuing his investigation? Making sure everyone's feelings are happy and insulated?

Hardly.


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OhhhJa posted...

Reading this transcript, it sounds like the dude died from drug induced excited delirium. Everything in that transcript lines up with this

"The presentation of excited delirium occurs with a sudden onset, with symptoms of bizarre and/or aggressive behavior, shouting, paranoia, panic, violence toward others, unexpected physical strength and hyperthermia"

"In approximately 10 percent of cases, according to the literature, the person with excited delirium may die suddenly. The heart or breathing simply stops. So when someone dies in that agitated state and no other cause of death is found, the medical finding is that excited delirium was the cause."

except that that isnt actually a real thing

its 100% made up.

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Joker_X_II posted...

So if you were a cop.... what does that mean? less force? more?

I'm betting there are cop stories out there where he gave the benefit of the doubt....guess what happened to that officer?

There probably are some. But officers should be trained to use the appropriate force given the situation. Obviously, this amount was too much. My mom hasnt accidentally (Or purposely) killed anyone. Neither have the co-workers of hers Ive met. Thats just my experience, though. Also, using excessive force can be pretty bad for a cop in many cases...

Joker_X_II posted...

I'm sure that's what the BLM narrative wants you to believe but reality says otherwise...

Oh. Well, Dr. Joker, can you show me this proof you have that shows that. Like actual proof? Because all we know is that he was high and probably had anxiety. But I havent seen anything that shows it was definitely higher than normal. Also, I can tell you my reasoning and opinions on this have nothing to do with BLM...

Joker_X_II posted...

Try making sense...

Cops don't have the luxury to quickly assess the mental state of junkies. You think the moment they find out drugs are a factor, he'll loosen the cuffs and trust he'll stay put while continuing his investigation? Making sure everyone's feelings are happy and insulated?

Hardly.

While youre right about not having a lot of time in many cases to assess literally everything, they are trained to try to make the right decision quickly when needed. Like, you dont need to loosen the cuffs (unless theres a legitimate reason). But if someone is saying theyre having trouble breathing, probably take your knee of his neck. I mean, he had 8 minutes to think about that... And with all the backup they had, they could have had a person or two with him while others did the investigating. As a team. Like how they are suppose to work. And you dont have to make sure everyones happy. But keeping a person alive is usually a good thing. Maybe you should try making some sense instead...
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OhhhJa posted...

Reading this transcript, it sounds like the dude died from drug induced excited delirium. Everything in that transcript lines up with this

"The presentation of excited delirium occurs with a sudden onset, with symptoms of bizarre and/or aggressive behavior, shouting, paranoia, panic, violence toward others, unexpected physical strength and hyperthermia"

"In approximately 10 percent of cases, according to the literature, the person with excited delirium may die suddenly. The heart or breathing simply stops. So when someone dies in that agitated state and no other cause of death is found, the medical finding is that excited delirium was the cause."

Yeah absolutely. Neon Neck's actions had nothing to do with Floyd's death.

OhhhJa posted...

Overall, I'd agree but I'd bet 99% of this board wouldn't be man enough to subdue someone and make an arrest

Of course we wouldn't. We wouldn't murder an innocent black jogger while performing a "citizen's arrest."
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Aculo posted...

Just remember, Clark, Sunny might be suffering from early stages of dementia or Alzheimer's, typical for someone of his age, ok?

fantastic point, i forgot. and it's known that alcohol consumption, speeds up degeneration of grey matter, ok?

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Revelation34 posted...

Yeah absolutely. Neon Neck's actions had nothing to do with Floyd's death.

This

like what is wrong with you people

dude died cos he had a knee to his neck for nearly 10 mins

dont get how that needs to be an argument, let alone a nuanced one

jfc

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ClarkDuke posted...

fantastic point, i forgot. and it's known that alcohol consumption, speeds up degeneration of grey matter, ok?

Are u talking to ur alt lol

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