Current Events > Florida has FALSE coronavirus numbers and positivity rate. Overreported.

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CableZL posted...

That literally says COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate if the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death.

That does not mean putting COVID-19 on a death certificate when the symptoms leading up to death are unrelated at all.

But the language allows it and that's what has happened in many cases. It doesn't specifically say to label it covid but it does let you list it if you can even "assume" it contributed.

The problem is we have many organizations incentivized to attribute deaths to covid-19, including hospitals who receive extra aid money/disbursement for coronavirus patients. Since many hospitals have been forced to cut back on elective surgeries, which gives them most of their profits, they need to get as much money as they can.

You might have read about all the hospitals going bankrupt.

Here's an example from Colorado for you guys pretending like this shit is a conspiracy or something conservatives made up out of thin air.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/anti-vax-doctor-covid-19-death-certificates-984407/

The number of coronavirus deaths in state figures topped 1,000 earlier this week, and the number stood at 1,150 deaths as of Friday afternoon.

But officials with the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment revealed during a call with reporters that that number does not represent the number of people who have died due to COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus.

Instead, the death figure CDPHE has been providing for weeks is more accurately described as the number of people with COVID-19 who have died for any reason.

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Ruvan22 posted...

Wearing a mask, social distancing, etc. There's a gulf of difference between "We just gotta live with it" and "Doing things to minimize the spread"

People still believe it's a democratic hoax designed to hurt the economy and his reelection.

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Strider102 posted...

People still believe it's a democratic hoax designed to hurt the economy and his reelection.

Thanks in no small part to topics like this

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De Evolution posted...

But the language allows it and that's what has happened in many cases. It doesn't specifically say to label it covid but it does let you list it if you can even "assume" it contributed.

The problem is we have many organizations incentivized to attribute deaths to covid-19, including hospitals who receive extra aid money/disbursement for coronavirus patients. Since many hospitals have been forced to cut back on elective surgeries, which gives them most of their profits, they need to get as much money as they can.

You might have read about all the hospitals going bankrupt.

Here's an example from Colorado for you guys pretending like this shit is a conspiracy or something conservatives made up out of thin air.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/anti-vax-doctor-covid-19-death-certificates-984407/

Oh good thing "only" 878 people died due to COVID-19 in Colorado.

Pack it up folks, it only killed 878 people in Colorado for that timeline. COVID-19 is defeated.
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Strider102 posted...

People still believe it's a democratic hoax designed to hurt the economy and his reelection.

The coronavirus can be real and different organizations can also be lying about it or taking advantage of it.

The two are in no way mutually exclusive.

As a famous liberal once said, "never let a good crisis go to waste".

Calling out false numbers doesn't mean you believe it's a hoax.


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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Oh good thing "only" 878 people died due to COVID-19 in Colorado.

Pack it up folks, it only killed 878 people in Colorado for that timeline. COVID-19 is defeated.

It's ok, they were old and happy to sacrifice themselves for us.

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De Evolution posted...

The coronavirus can be real and different organizations can also be lying about it or taking advantage of it.

The two are in no way mutually exclusive.

As a famous liberal once said, "never let a good crisis go to waste".

Calling out false numbers doesn't mean you believe it's a hoax.

Calling numbers false because you don't understand what they mean or how they're reported in order to downplay the severity of a pandemic just makes you a pawn to a political operation that desperately needs the misinformation flowing right now.


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Damn. People hate GOP so much they actually rather believe hospitals are having 100% positive rates.

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Oh good thing "only" 878 people died due to COVID-19 in Colorado.

Pack it up folks, it only killed 878 people in Colorado for that timeline. COVID-19 is defeated.

Why do liberals hate the truth so much?

Literally no one in this topic is calling coronavirus a hoax, saying it's defeated, or even against shut downs necessarily.

Your response to fake numbers and falsified reports is to attack the character of the person pointing out the truth and make "what about isms"?

Straw men at that since I'm not even a conservative.

You guys are so much like the people you hate it's astounding.

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yeah bro, it's real but the numbers are questionable right? like how could that many people really die? what else does this sound like?

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MelbuFrahma4 posted...

Damn. People hate GOP so much they actually rather believe hospitals are having 100% positive rates.

They're frothing at the mouth.

There's nothing up to interpretation.

The statistics on the State of Florida's report were wrong. The facilities admitted the numbers were falsely reported.


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I think it was pretty obvious a 100%/near 100% rate was probably an error as at this stage that is deeply unlikely except with an extremely small sample size that wouldn't give any meaningful insight.

Just watch some dumbasses use this for "see this covid thing ain't bad! MAGA Reopen!"

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"Guys I posted this stuff that is well beyond my comprehension, but I think it says 'x' and so liberals are wrong about COVID-19!"

"Actually, it means 'a' and that COVID-19 is still a major problem. You don't know what you're talking about."

"WOW ALL LIBERALS DO IS STRAWMAN AND ATTACK MY CHARACTER!!!!"

Basically how the topic is going. TC is obviously speaker 1/3.
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Maybe nobody has died and got transported to a magical land?

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

"Guys I posted this stuff that is well beyond my comprehension, but I think it says 'x' and so liberals are wrong about COVID-19!"

"Actually, it means 'a' and that COVID-19 is still a major problem. You don't know what you're talking about."

"WOW ALL LIBERALS DO IS STRAWMAN AND ATTACK MY CHARACTER!!!!"

Basically how the topic is going. TC is obviously speaker 1/3.

De Evolution posted...

There's nothing up to interpretation.

The statistics on the State of Florida's report were wrong. The facilities admitted the numbers were falsely reported.

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De Evolution posted...

They're frothing at the mouth.

There's nothing up to interpretation.

The statistics on the State of Florida's report were wrong. The facilities admitted the numbers were falsely reported.

1) Those statistics don't mean what you think they mean
2) They have no impact on the total number of positive COVID19 cases reported daily
3) Therefore, pointing out that they're "falsely reported" serves no purpose other than to obfuscate the fact that COVID19 cases are skyrocketing in Florida. "Positivity rate" is a statistic that you probably didn't even know existed until you decided it fit your narrative.

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DarkRoast posted...

Positivity rate = number of positive tests / total number of tests given (in percentage)

Whether or not that rate is 100% or 10%, the total number of positive tests doesn't change. The "Positivity rate" is skewed because most places don't report negative tests (because it's really not that useful)

It's like saying 100,000 positive cases and 20,000 negative tests were reported. Making the rate 83%.
If there were actually 200,000 negative tests, that rate would be 33%, but there would still be 100,000 new cases of COVID19.

In other words, the actual number of cases of COVID19 are still being accurately reported.

But let's keep that misinformation train-a-rolling.

You were answered in post 8 to why your interpretation was wrong, but you continuously gloss over it.
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DarkRoast posted...

1) Those statistics don't mean what you think they mean

What I think they mean is immaterial. The statistics are incorrect, as confirmed by the medical facilities.

2) They have no impact on the total number of positive COVID19 cases reported daily

No one said they did. Nice strawman though.

3) Therefore, pointing out that they're "falsely reported" serves no purpose other than to obfuscate the fact that COVID19 cases are skyrocketing in Florida

It serves no purpose to you that official numbers were falsely reported. Doesn't change the fact that they were in fact wrong.

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De Evolution posted...

But the language allows it and that's what has happened in many cases. It doesn't specifically say to label it covid but it does let you list it if you can even "assume" it contributed.

The problem is we have many organizations incentivized to attribute deaths to covid-19, including hospitals who receive extra aid money/disbursement for coronavirus patients. Since many hospitals have been forced to cut back on elective surgeries, which gives them most of their profits, they need to get as much money as they can.

You might have read about all the hospitals going bankrupt.

Here's an example from Colorado for you guys pretending like this s*** is a conspiracy or something conservatives made up out of thin air.

Organizations are not incentivized to attribute deaths to COVID-19. As part of the CARES act, hospitals receive extra money to treat COVID-19 patients. Holy shit, these dumb ass conspiracy theories are out of hand.

And the link you posted is nothing but an article talking about people spreading conspiracy theories. It isn't evidence of anything.

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Florida still has the highest number of active cases. Them being incompetent on top of that doesn't help them at all.

De Evolution, the funny thing is that you don't even realize that the argument you're making is one of the oldest and wrong-est arguments antivaxxers make when discussing measles.

Anti-vaxxers take issue with the measles case fatality rate of 1 death per 1,000 cases by arguing that there were actually 10x as many cases of measles, but 9 out of 10 weren't reported. That would, at least to their logic, make the CFR 1 death per 10,000 cases.

But here's the thing - in the US there were 500 deaths and 500,000 reported cases of measles per year in the early 1960's before the vaccine.

Whether there were 500,000 cases or 5,000,000 cases of measles per year is actually irrelevant - it still killed 500 children per year.

This is exactly the kind of logic you're using - and it serves literally only one purpose - to spread doubt about public health officials and to prop up the narrative that you can't trust experts / health departments. It doesn't change the fact that the number of cases and deaths of COVID19 are increasing in Florida. Those are objective facts, no matter how you try to spin details you think are relevant (but in actually aren't). You're "poisoning the well" so-to-speak.

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De Evolution posted...

The statistics on the State of Florida's report were wrong. The facilities admitted the numbers were falsely reported.

no one is denying that, but that is incredibly small significance in the situation. it doesnt affect anything. this does not make the situation any better, and it doesnt downplay anything else thats happening, so who tf cares? its bad that they fucked up but its not as big a deal as you seem to have made it

i dont expect a genuine response, but im enjoying the melty

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CableZL posted...

Organizations are not incentivized to attribute deaths to COVID-19. As part of the CARES act, hospitals receive extra money to treat COVID-19 patients. Holy shit, these dumb ass conspiracy theories are out of hand.

Yes. There is a financial incentive involved with COVID-19 diagnoses. That's a fact. Not an opinion or "conspiracy". Just a fact.

CableZL posted...

And the link you posted is nothing but an article talking about people spreading conspiracy theories. It isn't evidence of anything.

De Evolution posted...

But officials with the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment revealed during a call with reporters that that number does not represent the number of people who have died due to COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus.

Instead, the death figure CDPHE has been providing for weeks is more accurately described as the number of people with COVID-19 who have died for any reason.

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Bananana posted...

no one is denying that

Lol have you read through this topic?

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De Evolution posted...

Lol have you read through this topic?

yes and not one person has said that statement is false except for some people early on questioning the source who have not been back since

in fact, DarkRoast explicitly explained to you why that number would be false and you somehow took it as denial

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DarkRoast posted...

It doesn't change the fact that the number of cases and deaths of COVID19 are increasing in Florida. Those are objective facts

No one said that wasn't the case.

Accept all facts, not just the ones that serve your agenda.


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De Evolution posted...

No one said that wasn't the case.

Accept all facts, not just the ones that serve your agenda.

Here's a fact: Nobody cared about the "positivity rate" until it being wrong served your agenda


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De Evolution posted...

Accept all facts, not just the ones that serve your agenda.

Irony out in the wild and at it's finest.
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De Evolution posted...

No one said that wasn't the case.

Accept all facts, not just the ones that serve your agenda.

Yet you're doing the exact opposite of "accepting all facts".

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hey so is it still moddable to call TC out for the disgusting threads he's made regarding the thing

okay Tc. How big do you think this mistake is?

instead of the 291,629 active cases of COVID-19 in Florida, what do you believe the real number is? Do you believe its actually around 50,000 to 80,000 or is it another number?

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ThyCorndog posted...

what else does this sound like?

It sounds like the exact thing TC has already been warned or suspended over multiple times already, I reckon

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

Irony out in the wild and at it's finest.

Yes. Being displayed by you and the other people n this thread.

First reaction was to lash out and insult, not admit or even care about the fake numbers.

And everyone in this topic is just resorting to ad hominem by insulting the messenger, not the message.

Typical GameFAQs libs though.

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De Evolution posted...

Yes. Being displayed by you and the other people n this thread.

First reaction was to lash out and insult, not admit or even care about the fake numbers.

And everyone in this topic is just resorting to ad hominem by insulting the messenger, not the message.

Typical GameFAQs libs though.

"Accept all facts"

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I'm still at lost at what was "faked" besides the positivity %, which was proven to you why it was "faked" in the first place.

It's not like their "faking" of the positivity % actually means that there's 100,000 less cases of COVID in America now or something. It just means that their denominator in their equation wasn't being filled in with the right number.

The fact that this topic is still up is fucking sad though.
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This is one of the saddest topics Ive ever read through.

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TC will be gone soon.

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

I'm still at lost at what was "faked" besides the positivity %, which was proven to you why it was "faked" in the first place.

It's not like their "faking" of the positivity % actually means that there's 100,000 less cases of COVID in America now or something. It just means that their denominator in their equation wasn't being filled in with the right number.

The fact that this topic is still up is fucking sad though.

Yet if the numbers were skewed the opposite way, you'd all be frothing at the mouth, just like you're doing now for someone merely pointing out the reported numbers were false.

The fact that you guys are so self-righteous about it is hilarious yet sad.

Literally no one in here said that the case numbers were going down or that coronavirus isn't a problem.

Just pointing out an instance of false reporting by the state of Florida.

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De Evolution posted...

But officials with the Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment revealed during a call with reporters that that number does not represent the number of people who have died due to COVID-19, the disease caused by the coronavirus.

Instead, the death figure CDPHE has been providing for weeks is more accurately described as the number of people with COVID-19 who have died for any reason.

This is the link you posted:

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/anti-vax-doctor-covid-19-death-certificates-984407/

CTRL+F: Death figure

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CTRL+F: CDPHE

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CTRL+F: for any reason

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CTRL+F: that number does not represent:

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Are you just making shit up?

https://i.imgur.com/7JiqrA7.png

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Daum, trump supporters getting rekt HARD in dis topic lol
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De Evolution posted...

I know you liberals hate the truth when it doesn't fulfill your ideological biases, but these are the facts.

Welp, at least you did the courtesy of letting me know what type of topic this was going to be before I wasted time getting invested in it.


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De Evolution posted...

Yet if the numbers were skewed the opposite way, you'd all be frothing at the mouth, just like you're doing now for someone merely pointing out the reported numbers were false.

So if you agree the numbers werent faked and you still believe Covid is as bad as it is then why make this topic? Was it just to say that point out hypocrisy? I doubt it since you didnt bring it up when you made the topic.

In fact, it is very easy to imply that you believed that all of Floridas numbers were false numbers because all you did was post that tweet stating that as a fact and an article with more details

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De Evolution posted...

The problem is we have many organizations incentivized to attribute deaths to covid-19, including hospitals who receive extra aid money/disbursement for coronavirus patients. Since many hospitals have been forced to cut back on elective surgeries, which gives them most of their profits, they need to get as much money as they can.

You might have read about all the hospitals going bankrupt.

Here's an example from Colorado for you guys pretending like this shit is a conspiracy or something conservatives made up out of thin air.

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/anti-vax-doctor-covid-19-death-certificates-984407/

You said this article provided examples of hospitals inflating numbers, but it described conspiracy theories from various right wing/Republicans about hospitals inflating numbers.
"There is, of course, no evidence that COVID-19 death certificates are being manipulated to inflate the death count and needless to say, having someone with a doctors credentials publicly diminish the threat of COVID-19 is dangerous to the public good, to say the least, says Dr. Joan Donovan, research director at Harvard Kennedy Shorenstein Center. This kind of speculation is driving toward two different outcomes, she says. One is very dangerous in the sense that if people think the death rate is being inflated, they may take on risky behaviors. The second would be that, if someone is convinced that the profit motives of the hospital outweigh the drive to keep them well, they may avoid the hospital if they think it wont provide good care."

Also, while hospitals are getting additional money from CARES, do you have a source that is allocated by number of COVID cases?

De Evolution posted...

Literally no one in this topic is calling coronavirus a hoax, saying it's defeated, or even against shut downs necessarily.

Evil Angel is - post 35

If TC claims that he's not suggesting that the total number of COVID19 cases isn't falsified, I'm just wondering what he means by "Florida has FALSE coronavirus numbers"

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It seems like finding a few errors is really shitty evidence that the mean is particularly skewed by them.

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Ruvan22 posted...

You said this article provided examples of hospitals inflating numbers, but it described conspiracy theories from various right wing/Republicans about hospitals inflating numbers.
"There is, of course, no evidence that COVID-19 death certificates are being manipulated to inflate the death count and needless to say, having someone with a doctors credentials publicly diminish the threat of COVID-19 is dangerous to the public good, to say the least, says Dr. Joan Donovan, research director at Harvard Kennedy Shorenstein Center. This kind of speculation is driving toward two different outcomes, she says. One is very dangerous in the sense that if people think the death rate is being inflated, they may take on risky behaviors. The second would be that, if someone is convinced that the profit motives of the hospital outweigh the drive to keep them well, they may avoid the hospital if they think it wont provide good care."

Also, while hospitals are getting additional money from CARES, do you have a source that is allocated by number of COVID cases?

Wrong link I apologize

https://coloradosun.com/2020/05/15/colorado-coronavirus-death-certificate/

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DarkRoast posted...

If TC claims that he's not suggesting that the total number of COVID19 cases isn't falsified, I'm just wondering what he means by "Florida has FALSE coronavirus numbers"

Its beyond his comprehension. Don't make his head explode.

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SwordMaster13X posted...

okay Tc. How big do you think this mistake is?

instead of the 291,629 active cases of COVID-19 in Florida, what do you believe the real number is? Do you believe its actually around 50,000 to 80,000 or is it another number?

@De_Evolution , can you answer this please?

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CableZL posted...

This is the link you posted:

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/anti-vax-doctor-covid-19-death-certificates-984407/

CTRL+F: Death figure
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CTRL+F: CDPHE
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CTRL+F: for any reason
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CTRL+F: that number does not represent:
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Are you just making shit up?

https://i.imgur.com/7JiqrA7.png

Wrong link I apologize.

It's from the Colorado Sun

https://coloradosun.com/2020/05/15/colorado-coronavirus-death-certificate/

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