Current Events > Why do liberals support liberal government?

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When none of it is actually liberal anymore? It used to be where republicans wanted less government. The dark side to that is more military and the rich just get richer. And not much has changed. Still these liberals now aren't liberal either. They want to control every aspect of your life. I get the whole taxing the wealthy part but it's done through more government and control of services and everything else. And again the rich just get richer.

How do "liberals" want to control every aspect of your life?

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Through the media and health services and everything else. They want to take away peoples guns. Most of these politicians are just pandering. I get Gun laws are supposed to be a liberal thing to protect the people who don't want them. But again the government is encroaching on peoples rights regardless.

I think both parties are just messed up now. Because it's ingrained from the top down.

You speak in many vague concepts.

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Well most politicians are lazy. They don't even understand what liberalism is or how we got to where we are.

I heard there's this thing, TC, and it's bad. Politicians are doing something about it, but are they doing the right something?

Please let me know.

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That's the problem really is most of what is out there is lazy political nonsense and it's solving nothing. They just repeat the same nonsense over and over.

And I'm called lazy for trying to do something else. Most of you are lazy. Come up with an educated answer and get back to me. your responses are lazy. When I get an educated response I'll realize it.

This is why I can't vote for Joe Biden either because his policies are lazy.

kg88222 posted...

That's the problem really is most of what is out there is lazy political nonsense and it's solving nothing. They just repeat the same nonsense over and over.

And I'm called lazy for trying to do something else. Most of you are lazy. Come up with an educated answer and get back to me. your responses are lazy. When I get an educated response I'll realize it.

You are being called lazy because you are providing lazy, vague statements that mean nothing, aren't meant to mean anything but you want to stir people up with because they can be interpreted to mean almost anything you want.

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That's your assumption. It was a basis for discussion which none of you were able to add anything to either.

You're called lazy for presenting a lazy argument. Conservatives want to control aspects of everyone's life they don't agree with, but let's just ignore that just to try to present a flawed argument, right?

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It wasn't an argument it was a basis for discussion. Because both Trump and Biden's policies are what I'm saying they are.

Kinda silly to call other people lazy when you're just shooting off vague talking points and generalizations

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I've found that a lot of liberals who are very anti-gun come from more privileged backgrounds. They've never had to think about or deal with their homes being broken into or their lives threatened. They don't support armed rebellion against the fascist government they supposedly are so against because they're delusional into thinking the current system still works.

There are plenty of us on the left who are pro 2A.

And as for healthcare, we just want it to be available to everyone without giving up and arm and a leg. What's so horrible about that?

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Historically speaking drug cartels and everything else run rampant under both parties. The quality of health services and everything else suffers. They just end up selling more garbage. People in streets. The police and people just get increasingly violent.

Maybe get specific?

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The democrats have a really bad history as far as drug money in general.

I don't really care to respond to most of TCs statements, but I will say that I support current liberal government policies because I believe government should do things to provide all its citizens the stability and security to be able to live their lives freely. Freedom with chaos and fear is not worth having.

For example, gun control. To me, guns in society are a net negative. They're used way more to kill people offensively than they are to protect. Whatever intangible feeling "freedom" they provide is more than outweighed by all the increased suicides, domestic violence, and mass murders. Getting shot kind of hampers your ability to live freely.

Healthcare is more straightforward. No person should have to worry about not being able to pay for needed medical treatment. The only way to guarantee that is for the government to step in and provide.

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What are they providing though? The quality of care is not that good. This has been a problem for a long time.

I'd also like to note I was the one called lazy. And then people took offense. Really.

kg88222 posted...

I'd also like to note I was the one called lazy.

Because you are and you know you are peddling lazy arguments with no substance.

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No it's because I know you are. I'm more than willing to have an intelligent discussion but it devolves. I more just presented a very basic description of what each party has evolved or devolved from and what their mindsets are.

It's not devolving, you already started with protozoans. You don't really know enough of what you're talking about, and it's easy to see that because you used absolute terms to describe very broad and vague ideas, rather than anything of specificity or substance.

Prove me wrong, start with applied and attempted policy by liberal lawmakers that evidence your statement of "liberals trying to control every aspect of life."

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kg88222 posted...

No it's because I know you are. I'm more than willing to have an intelligent discussion but it devolves. I more just presented a very basic description of what each party has evolved or devolved from and what their mindsets are.

State a clear and proper thought on issues with liberals and liberal policies for people to critique. Not "Liberals bad".

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kg88222 posted...

They want to take away peoples guns.

Ding ding ding. You've hit the trusty old "panic the red states with something that'll never happen" button. The NRA knows good and fucking well your guns will never be taken away, but admitting that lessens their power.'

Fuck politics.


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Again you are reading what I said wrong. I said devolved or evolved from. I'm a democrat. I support progressive politics. But I think both parties aren't doing enough in that area. I simply stated a basis for thought and you are assuming i'm saying something else.

That's half the problem is you end up with a lot of mudslinging and both parties supporting policies that aren't progressing anything. And again I realize they do in ways but it's like watching paint dry.

I was not arguing. I was simply doing what I said I was. There was nothing biased in what I said at all. It was simply a basis. I have my own feelings on what progressive even is but that's not what I was saying.

One thing I actually do dislike is pandering because I think a lot of these politicians end up doing that and not really telling the truth and you end up with policies that aren't exactly progressive. But that's beside the point. Or wasn't even what I was saying. I do think there is ignorance on both sides. That's true. I said evolved or devolved because I'm able to see the positives and negatives if people are capable of having those discussions. Sometimes those lines are blurred.

I also understand pandering serves a purpose because these politicians are selling ideas but in the same respect when those ideas are not exactly the truth it's an issue. It's how black people end up being mass incarcerated and everything else. They just do it differently. It's like stockholme syndrome. I don't pander in that regard.

This is such a weird topic. Read through the whole topic and I still don't know what TC is on about.
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I think that is the issue too is you end up with government that isn't efficient. You end up with policies that aren't exactly truthful and are pandering things that aren't exactly helpful either, quality of care and everything else. It's just more laws on top of more laws. You end up with these far right and far left ideologies and people like Trump who don't know what they are doing either. Every state is different but both conservative and liberal states have issues with their politics. There are issues with health care and everything else and what educational and health care institutions and the media are selling and everything else.

What I asked was more a simple question as far as why do people support liberal government. No one answered it. i agree that liberal government is good as far as certain things like people being able to talk about those things. But no one said why they do. Especially when there is an assault on free speech as well.

Why do you support liberal government? I support it for the reasons I said. Because it's supposed to be liberal. Whether it is I don't know.

kg88222: Down With Issues

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We should privatize the government

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liberal - adjective

1. open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.

Liberty - noun

1. the state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life, behavior, or political views.

That said I still think convervative values still hold a place in that if there is to be a truly liberal society. I'm willing to discard certain things but as far as rational thought there is still a place for conservative values in a free society. Otherwise you are just trashing anything within reason. People are religious. It's just a fact. Also just as far as rational thought.

I get that in politics there are two opposing sides and they tend to trash the other and even trash themselves but even still.

CyricZ posted...

kg88222: Down With Issues

oh I see, that clears up where TC stands thank you
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I think in general politics are a mess because you end up with these viewpoints that aren't even who people actually are. People don't think like that all the time. There are other things going on in this world and people are people ultimately. That's sometimes what I wish is that these politicians realized that people have lives outside of that. What the government thinks people are isn't what people are a lot of the time although a lot of people are becoming that. It's these narratives over and over again. When that's not even who people are. People in streets.