Current Events > Pentagon admits having off world vehicles that are not from earth

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https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/07/ufo-report-pentagon-has-off-world-vehicles-not-from-earth.html

how could such a thing exist without intelligent life to design it? Huge blockbuster today, and we are getting more info coming up. Stay tuned

perhaps less dubious link?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/23/us/politics/pentagon-ufo-harry-reid-navy.html

I was reading about this and i'm really trying to get all of the information about it before getting too excited.

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yea sure

MabusIncarnate posted...

I was reading about this and i'm really trying to get all of the information about it before getting too excited.

can you access the nytime link above which the intelligencer claims has the quote?

I can't because no paid sub

This why Trump wanted to establish the space force

Trumpo posted...

This why Trump wanted to establish the space force

Trump proven prescient and right again!

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Trumpo posted...

This why Trump wanted to establish the space force

if so that netflix show mocking the space force will not age well

they probably just built them in the space station or whatever so the statement would technically be accurate

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darkphoenix181 posted...

can you access the nytime link above which the intelligencer claims has the quote?

I can't because no paid sub

Yes, I can open it with no issue

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Machete posted...

they probably just built them in the space station or whatever so the statement would technically be accurate

This. I'm calling bullshit on it, why the fuck should we believe anything the government claims or says?

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darkphoenix181 posted...

can you access the nytime link above which the intelligencer claims has the quote?

I can't because no paid sub

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/23/us/politics/pentagon-ufo-harry-reid-navy.html
I got in fine without any subscription.

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Mr_Karate_II posted...

This. I'm calling bullshit on it, why the fuck should we believe anything the government claims or says?

lol

Government: we never encountered aliens or u.f.o. s
conspiracy people: they are lying! covering it up!

Government: ok, we admit it, we actually have spaceships aliens made
conspiracy people: this is a trick!

Corrupt_Power posted...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/23/us/politics/pentagon-ufo-harry-reid-navy.html
I got in fine without any subscription.

Can you copy and paste it?

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Transformers are real!

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HydraSlayer82 posted...

Can you copy and paste it?

Despite Pentagon statements that it disbanded a once-covert program to investigate unidentified flying objects, the effort remains underway renamed and tucked inside the Office of Naval Intelligence, where officials continue to study mystifying encounters between military pilots and unidentified aerial vehicles.

Pentagon officials will not discuss the program, which is not classified but deals with classified matters. Yet it appeared last month in a Senate committee report outlining spending on the nations intelligence agencies for the coming year. The report said the program, the Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon Task Force, was to standardize collection and reporting on sightings of unexplained aerial vehicles, and was to report at least some of its findings to the public within 180 days after passage of the intelligence authorization act.

While retired officials involved with the effort including Harry Reid, the former Senate majority leader hope the program will seek evidence of vehicles from other worlds, its main focus is on discovering whether another nation, especially any potential adversary, is using breakout aviation technology that could threaten the United States.

Senator Marco Rubio, the Florida Republican who is the acting chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, told a CBS affiliate in Miami this month that he was primarily concerned about reports of unidentified aircraft over American military bases and that it was in the governments interest to find out who was responsible.

He expressed concerns that China or Russia or some other adversary had made some technological leap that allows them to conduct this sort of activity.

Mr. Rubio said some of the unidentified aerial vehicles over U.S. bases possibly exhibited technologies not in the American arsenal. But he also noted: Maybe there is a completely, sort of, boring explanation for it. But we need to find out.

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In 2017, The New York Times disclosed the existence of a predecessor unit, called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program. Defense Department officials said at the time that the unit and its $22 million in funding had lapsed after 2012.

People working with the program, however, said it was still in operation in 2017 and beyond, statements later confirmed by the Defense Department.

The program was begun in 2007 under the Defense Intelligence Agency and was then placed within the office of the undersecretary of defense for intelligence, which remains responsible for its oversight. But its coordination with the intelligence community will be carried out by the Office of Naval Intelligence, as described in the Senate budget bill. The program never lapsed in those years, but little was disclosed about the post-2017 operations.

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The Pentagon programs previous director, Luis Elizondo, a former military intelligence official who resigned in October 2017 after 10 years with the program, confirmed that the new task force evolved from the advanced aerospace program.

ImageLuis Elizondo, a former military intelligence official, was the director of the Pentagons previous program on unidentified aerial vehicles.
Luis Elizondo, a former military intelligence official, was the director of the Pentagons previous program on unidentified aerial vehicles.Credit...Roger Kisby for The New York Times
It no longer has to hide in the shadows, Mr. Elizondo said. It will have a new transparency.

Mr. Elizondo is among a small group of former government officials and scientists with security clearances who, without presenting physical proof, say they are convinced that objects of undetermined origin have crashed on earth with materials retrieved for study.

For more than a decade, the Pentagon program has been conducting classified briefings for congressional committees, aerospace company executives and other government officials, according to interviews with program participants and unclassified briefing documents.

In some cases, earthly explanations have been found for previously unexplained incidents. Even lacking a plausible terrestrial explanation does not make an extraterrestrial one the most likely, astrophysicists say.

Mr. Reid, the former Democratic senator from Nevada who pushed for funding the earlier U.F.O. program when he was the majority leader, said he believed that crashes of objects of unknown origin may have occurred and that retrieved materials should be studied.

After looking into this, I came to the conclusion that there were reports some were substantive, some not so substantive that there were actual materials that the government and the private sector had in their possession, Mr. Reid said in an interview.

No crash artifacts have been publicly produced for independent verification. Some retrieved objects, such as unusual metallic fragments, were later identified from laboratory studies as man-made.

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Harry Reid pushed for funding the earlier U.F.O. program when he was the Senate majority leader.
Harry Reid pushed for funding the earlier U.F.O. program when he was the Senate majority leader.Credit...Joe Buglewicz for The New York Times
Eric W. Davis, an astrophysicist who worked as a subcontractor and then a consultant for the Pentagon U.F.O. program since 2007, said that, in some cases, examination of the materials had so far failed to determine their source and led him to conclude, We couldnt make it ourselves.

The constraints on discussing classified programs and the ambiguity of information cited in unclassified slides from the briefings have put officials who have studied U.F.O.s in the position of stating their views without presenting any hard evidence.

Mr. Davis, who now works for Aerospace Corporation, a defense contractor, said he gave a classified briefing to a Defense Department agency as recently as March about retrievals from off-world vehicles not made on this earth.

Mr. Davis said he also gave classified briefings on retrievals of unexplained objects to staff members of the Senate Armed Services Committee on Oct. 21, 2019, and to staff members of the Senate Intelligence Committee two days later.

Committee staff members did not respond to requests for comment on the issue.

Public fascination with the topic of U.F.O.s has drawn in President Trump, who told his son Donald Trump Jr. in a June interview that he knew very interesting things about Roswell a city in New Mexico that is central to speculation about the existence of U.F.O.s. The president demurred when asked if he would declassify any information on Roswell. Ill have to think about that one, he said.

Either way, Mr. Reid said, more should be made public to clarify what is known and what is not. It is extremely important that information about the discovery of physical materials or retrieved craft come out, he said.

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Correction: July 24, 2020
An earlier version of this article inaccurately rendered remarks attributed to Harry Reid, the retired Senate majority leader from Nevada. Mr. Reid said he believed that crashes of objects of unknown origin may have occurred and that retrieved materials should be studied; he did not say that crashes had occurred and that retrieved materials had been studied secretly for decades. An earlier version also misstated the frequency with which the director of national intelligence is supposed to report on unidentified aerial phenomena. It is 180 days after enactment of the intelligence authorization act, not every six months.

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Some retrieved objects, such as unusual metallic fragments, were later identified from laboratory studies as man-made.

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darkphoenix181 posted...

lol

Government: we never encountered aliens or u.f.o. s
conspiracy people: they are lying! covering it up!

Government: ok, we admit it, we actually have spaceships aliens made
conspiracy people: this is a trick!

I don't believe on conspiracies, just saying I'm calling bullshit. Why after all this time of denying shit like this exists, they say something?

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If you right click on the link in the original article, copy link, and paste, then you can get in as well. That's how I did.

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Did that car that Musk sent into space come back?

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Thanks @Corrupt_Power

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The govt going public with something like this would scare me tbh

what would they be trying to distract from, or would it mean they know something is coming and figure they have nothing left to lose, so they drop a bombshell then go to their bunkers

:0

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You mean they got one of those warthogs from Halo series?

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It's fine, the space ships are all built by aliens with low intelligence. That's why they keep crash landing, they don't know how to drive.

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Mr_Karate_II posted...

I don't believe on conspiracies, just saying I'm calling bullshit.

this

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darkphoenix181 posted...

perhaps less dubious link?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/23/us/politics/pentagon-ufo-harry-reid-navy.html

To be fair, somebody told me in person and I did a google search. The first link that came up was Fox, which I didnt really think yall would like, so I went with whichever publication basically wasnt Fox or CNN.

Lets recap some stuff:
The Roswell incident occurred and we basically went from tube powered stuff to transistors overnight. Technology and aircraft innovations basically skipped about ten steps and went straight to stealth bombers with invisibility.

Hmm, yeah the people who claim that we harvested alien technology from that crash, which directly resulted in an unprecedented level of technological invention are suddenly starting to make a LOT of sense. There are a lot of non-believers who are going to have egg on their faces over this.

darkphoenix181 posted...

lol

Government: we never encountered aliens or u.f.o. s
conspiracy people: they are lying! covering it up!

Government: ok, we admit it, we actually have spaceships aliens made
conspiracy people: this is a trick!

Lol

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Yep. Ever since Roswell.
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Check it. It's Friday night and I'm already drunk and didn't read a single post in this topic.

But anybody that believes aliens would visit us out of 500 billion stars and even more planets in the Milky Way, is a certified idiot.

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archedsoul posted...

Check it. It's Friday night and I'm already drunk and didn't read a single post in this topic.

cooooool

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tag
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Trumpo posted...

This why Trump wanted to establish the space force

Did anyone else notice how suspicious it was that his typical opposition literally... didnt oppose this? These political elites know shit that they dont want us knowing. We have moon bases and we have definitely made contact. Any of the surviving Astronauts on our moon voyage literally panic when you ask them about it.

We have had $1.5 trillion go missing like three or four times over the last decade, under both democrats and republicans, any nobody knows where it is. Yet we hear about moon bases and space forces and intergalactic jump gates and stuff?

Our citizens are tightening their belts every year and we are fed up with the government secrecy. If we are ushering in a new era of technology and medicine, then WE need and deserve to be a part of it. This is a good move.

Payzmaykr posted...

Technology and aircraft innovations basically skipped about ten steps and went straight to stealth bombers with invisibility.

.... you know they're not actually invisible, right? They're just built in a way that makes radar systems struggle to detect them.

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

.... you know they're not actually invisible, right? They're just built in a way that makes radar systems struggle to detect them.

I know, but that also refers to being invisible from radar, which they are. Theyre about as close to being physically invisible as Ive ever seen, and besides, look at the shape of it. Absolutely nothing like weve ever seen before it. In terms of technology, we basically went...

1, 2, 3, 4, 100million

The jump in technology was, no pun intended, astronomical. Think about the medical advances: we can surgically replace limbs and implant hearts. So many medicines and cures created over such a short period of time. So many surgical procedures and instruments have recently been created that people dont even stop to think about it.

Payzmaykr posted...

1, 2, 3, 4, 100million

More like 1, 2, 3, 4, 5.

We already had heavier than air flight, jet engines, radar systems, knowledge of aerodynamics, knowledge of how radar worked (since we created it), etc.

The only thing that's different about a stealth bomber is the material used to build it and the shape it was built into. Are you really saying that a step like "Making a plane in this shape out of this material" is a full 100-million leap away from "Making a plane in this other shape from this other, more specialized material"

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Its amazing how aliens are so respectul and they never appear in the thousands of commercial flights that happen everywhere. Surely they know to only appear when and where the government needs them.

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Payzmaykr posted...

The Roswell incident occurred and we basically went from tube powered stuff to transistors overnight.

What? People have been working on transistors since the 1920s, furthermore it wasn't until 7 years after the Roswell incident that transitors started getting commercial produced, that's hardly "overnight".

In March, astrophysicist Eric W. Davis, who spent years working as a consultant for the Pentagon UFO program and is now a defense contractor

damn imagine getting paid for absolute bullshit

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There were radar, jets, and computers in WWII and people are saying Roswell brought about some tech revolution? Everything just continued in the direction it was already going before and during the war.

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Payzmaykr posted...

To be fair, somebody told me in person and I did a google search. The first link that came up was Fox, which I didnt really think yall would like, so I went with whichever publication basically wasnt Fox or CNN.

Go with whatever publication the article says is reporting it, not a second-hand account of what somebody says someone else is reporting.

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I dunno, man. While I can't deny the possibility that life exists elsewhere in the universe, I'm generally always skeptical about the idea that they've made contact.

For one, if they're advanced enough to reach us, then they're so far ahead of us, technology-wise, that they have no reason to be secretive about it. They could probably wipe us out in an instant. If we have something they need/ want, or if we're just ants to them, why not just get on with it already?

Secondly, I have a difficult time believing that the entire world could work together to hide knowledge of contact from the general public. Confirmed contact would be such world-shattering news that I don't think any governing body could control or contain the situation. Hell, some country would probably want "bragging rights" for being the first to make contact. It just doesn't seem feasible to me that all the world powers have been able to work together for so long to suppress the fact that we've made contact.

So, I dunno. Personally, I feel there's more rational explanations. Fringe experimental devices that got intercepted, other countries making spy drones, etc. I get the feeling stuff like this "report" is just being done to get some publicity and generate site traffic to wherever it's going up.

Poop2 posted...

of course she believes. Look at what's standing right next to her... (not the person in the alien costume in the background)

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So its a program to catch spy planes.

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Why people think the government could keep aliens secret, when they fail with so many other things, and when so many people would be involved is always a curious thing.

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https://www.popularmechanics.com/military/research/a33413777/pentagon-ufo-program-materials-vehicles/

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Payzmaykr posted...

Did anyone else notice how suspicious it was that his typical opposition literally... didnt oppose this? These political elites know shit that they dont want us knowing.

No, their whole justification was that they were giving the Navy, and Especially the Air Force, money to develop, deploy and maintain space systems but then the money was being misused for traditional piloting programs or other stuff. So Congress wanted the Space Force as a means of oversight basically.

And that's basically all Space Force is - a branch of the Air Force that specifically manages space assets.

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