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Shablagoo posted...

Thats mainly because Nickelodeon fucked them over. It was meant to be a 1-season show. Thats why it seems so disjointed and the first season has such better pacing than any of the others.

That doesn't explain in anyway why there's no meaningful character development over the course of 4 seasons. At best it justifies the last three seasons not having character development, and I don't even think that is the case, just have characters develop over the course of each season.

pegusus123456 posted...

cuttin_in_farm posted...
People trash Korra season 2, but applaud ATLA Book 1 finale.
I like Korra, but those two situations aren't comparable.

People didnt like the random Jinora spirit save shit. But no one cares Aang becomes a spirit fish monster randomly and some chick transcends to become the moon. Pretty comparable.

Delirious_Beard posted...

man if you want to talk about characters who aren't saved by deus ex machina or zero agency, korra is about the least qualified character you could think of

also i don't think aang's resolution with ozai really harms his character. his arc was always about becoming the person that would face him in the first place

Hard disagree. Korra loses practically every single fight with the antagonists, and suffers for it. Excluding the first season, she actually learns from each conflict and tries to implement what she learned in the following season. Korra doesnt get saved by randomness (Excluding season 2). She just actually relies on her allies. Iirc, the only antagonist she beats is Kuvira. Everyone else either flees or is defeated with the help of someone else.

Meanwhile Aang never has to change anything about himself because hes a giant ball of perfection apparently.

If you leave now, youll never be able to go into the Avatar state again!
*Aang leaves anyway, and is immediately able to opt in to Avatar state by pitching a tent mid battle to immediately let go of Katara with little difficulty.*

Aangs allies and past Avatars explain how Ozai has to be killed because there is no other way. Aang ignores all of it and is given the ability to win because he randomly sleeps on a lion turtle who immediately helps him by granting a power never foreshadowed anyway. Aang then proceeds to lose the fight and is carried by Avatar state. So he himself didnt even face him. Such a great arc. Appa had a better arc than Aang.

Aang, despite being all about pacifism, never successfully changes anyone with his words. At all. He never actually has his pacifism challenged in any meaningful way.

Meanwhile Korra gets her Avatar state severed, gets crippled into a wheelchair, and embarrassed constantly for trying to be an Avatar.

I vastly prefer the character who is actually challenged. Personally.

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Yeah some of the Korra hate in this topic makes me wonder if the people making the claims actually watched it or just jumped on hate bandwagon after reading a reddit post

Korra, Asami, Mako, Lin, Tenzin, and Suyin all had a ton of development. And Korra took Ls repeatedly throughout the show and grew from them instead of random bs saving her. She learned how to airbend after all of her other elements were taken away, compare that to Aang pulling out energybending from his ass because he randomly came across the last surviving lion turtle, who then touched his forehead and chest, and that was the end of that encounter

I bring up Korra airbending because that's really the biggest asspull that happens in Korra and even then it's nowhere near as blatant as what happens in TLA. The rest of the show is this chick getting saved by her friends after losing her connection with her past lives, being seconds away from having the Avatar cycle eliminated by being poisoned with mercury while hanging over a lava pit but she uses the Avatar state to barely survive that, and getting whooped one on one by Kuvira because not even Toph had enough plot armor to solve the mercury trauma problem for her

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averagejoel posted...

this is basically what I was going to say. the show has extremely bad politics

also the fact that the communists were funded by Henry Ford

also how, in season 4, Korra starts a civil war and turns to Henry Ford's daughter to help stop it

oh the show has some incredibly questionable takes when it comes to capitalism and its role in the politics it explores

like how varrick, a mogul whose war profiteering, propagandizing and terrorist funding is played practically for laughs, suddenly develops a conscience when the people he's working for go full nazi. because that wouldn't exactly be a good look for capitalism otherwise

the subject of anarchism is also basically portrayed as a middle schooler's interpretation of it. zaheer's actual method of instillling anarchy is to assassinate leaders, then announce over the radio that the people are all free. that's apparently all it takes. the only remotely interesting motivation the red lotus seem to have is their opposition to the avatar for the sake of it being essentially an unknown quantity with every rebirth, that the avatar holds too much sway in the world individually. but they don't really attempt to justify it all that much, instead mostly framing it through that lame ass "chaos is order! i am very intelligent" lens

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Season 3 was the GOAT. But that's about it.

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i like legend of korra enough for wanting a live action adaptation following Netflix Avatar the last airbender.

they can take Korra episodes and actually make a decent series from it. maybe even expand the series with more Korra episodes too

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It was great, even if not quite as good as TLA. Seasons 1 and 3 were excellent.
Fuck season 2 though, I hated that they severed Korra's connection to past avatars. It's one of the things that made the avatar so awesome.
Season 4 was... I dunno. I wasn't a fan of having actual damn mechs.

Delirious_Beard posted...

oh the show has some incredibly questionable takes when it comes to capitalism and its role in the politics it explores

like how varrick, a mogul whose war profiteering, propagandizing and terrorist funding is played practically for laughs, suddenly develops a conscience when the people he's working for go full nazi. because that wouldn't exactly be a good look for capitalism otherwise

the subject of anarchism is also basically portrayed as a middle schooler's interpretation of it. zaheer's actual method of instillling anarchy is to assassinate leaders, then announce over the radio that the people are all free. that's apparently all it takes. the only remotely interesting motivation the red lotus seem to have is their opposition to the avatar for the sake of it being essentially an unknown quantity with every rebirth, that the avatar holds too much sway in the world individually. but they don't really attempt to justify it all that much, instead mostly framing it through that lame ass "chaos is order! i am very intelligent" lens

then it goes with a hardcore "middle-of-the-road" approach -- the problem with every antagonist, as stated by the show, is basically that they were too extreme in their methods

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Azardea posted...

It was great, even if not quite as good as TLA. Seasons 1 and 3 were excellent.
Fuck season 2 though, I hated that they severed Korra's connection to past avatars. It's one of the things that made the avatar so awesome.
Season 4 was... I dunno. I wasn't a fan of having actual damn mechs.

I'm still hoping they invent a new threat in the comics that forces Korra to find a way to restore the Avatar chain. Supposedly it can't be done but it's not like Raava is actually all-knowing (Raava is somewhat naive and didn't know much of humans before Wan) and I'm pretty sure nobody's asked a lion turtle about it.

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Chicken_Butt posted...

I'm still hoping they invent a new threat in the comics that forces Korra to find a way to restore the Avatar chain. Supposedly it can't be done but it's not like Raava is actually all-knowing (Raava is somewhat naive and didn't know much of humans before Wan) and I'm pretty sure nobody's asked a lion turtle about it.

one of my big qualms with the show is that it made raava unambiguously Good and vaatu unambiguously Evil

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Chicken_Butt posted...

I'm still hoping they invent a new threat in the comics that forces Korra to find a way to restore the Avatar chain. Supposedly it can't be done but it's not like Raava is actually all-knowing (Raava is somewhat naive and didn't know much of humans before Wan) and I'm pretty sure nobody's asked a lion turtle about it.

I think it would be interesting if the avatar after Korra was tasked with doing that.

I agree with most others in saying 1 was OK, 2 was garbage, 3 was excellent, and 4 was OK.

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Season 1 could've been good, the problem was that they only asked for 1 season when they gave the game the greenlight, so they killed Amon off. I honestly felt he was a character that could've been much more developed into something else. It wasn't until they saw the ratings number that they ordered more seasons. Season 4 could've been decent but they basically reduced Kuvira to female hitler.

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averagejoel posted...

then it goes with a hardcore "middle-of-the-road" approach -- the problem with every antagonist, as stated by the show, is basically that they were too extreme in their methods

this shit, aside from being infuriating becuase it's coming from TOPH of all characters, is also just being intentionally disingenuous in order to frame Kuvira in that way. and i dunno about you, but "fascism seems p okay until you go full literal nazi" ain't exactly something i can really get behind

it would have been like giving Ozai or his ancestors some sob backstory where he was just trying to do the right thing initially for his country but went too far and Oops! all imperialism happened

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Delirious_Beard posted...

it would have been like giving Ozai or his ancestors some sob backstory where he was just trying to do the right thing initially for his country but went too far and Oops! all imperialism happened

well they sorta almost did that with sozin. he wanted to "share" their wealth with the world. or at least, he said he did

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averagejoel posted...

one of my big qualms with the show is that it made raava unambiguously Good and vaatu unambiguously Evil

Because they're spirits, I don't mind it. Spirits are generally not subject to moral quandary like us humans in Avatar. Things are pretty black and white when it comes to spirits.

3PiesAndAFork posted...

I think it would be interesting if the avatar after Korra was tasked with doing that.

I do feel like, with the sudden surge in popularity and especially with the Netflix live action series coming, so long as that does well, we may just get another series. Which is great because the next Avatar would be an earthbender!

Prestoff posted...

but they basically reduced Kuvira to female hitler.

They did. She gets a redemption arc in the comics, though, and it honestly enhances her character quite a lot.

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averagejoel posted...

well they sorta almost did that with sozin. he wanted to "share" their wealth with the world. or at least, he said he did

That's the language he used to get his people on board, sure, and he also tried to discuss it that way with Roku, but Roku saw through immediately and shut him down. Then Sozin proved Roku's point when he betrayed him and then went off commit genocide on the Air Nation, a nomadic and peaceful people, just on the off chance Roku might have been born there. Sozin never had good intentions for the world, just for his world, and I felt the story made that crystal clear.

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Chicken_Butt posted...

Because they're spirits, I don't mind it. Spirits are generally not subject to moral quandary like us humans in Avatar. Things are pretty black and white when it comes to spirits.

which spirits are you talking about?

Koh isn't black-and-white. the library owl isn't black-and-white. the past avatars are not black-and-white.

in fact, I'm pretty sure it's completely untrue until we get to Raava and Vaatu

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Yeah its great.

averagejoel posted...

which spirits are you talking about?

Koh isn't black-and-white. the library owl isn't black-and-white. the past avatars are not black-and-white.

in fact, I'm pretty sure it's completely untrue until we get to Raava and Vaatu

The past avatars are human spirits, though. Not natural spirits.

Koh is evil. There's no moral ambiguity there. He steals the faces of others when they're caught making expressions around him. He leaves others faceless and suffering... it doesn't kill them to have their face stolen. That's almost worse than just killing them outright.

The library owl (Wan Shi Tong) is good. He seeks to save and protect knowledge, and to prevent its misuse. His decision to stay out of the war and not help the Gaang destroy others was because from his perspective, time and again humans have come and used his knowledge to destroy each other, and he simply wanted no part in it. It was not a morally ambiguous thing, he has no moral stakes in the affairs of humans. He simply wants to preserve all knowledge.

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I'm so sick of this, it's like a meme at this point

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even if you want to argue that Koh is "evil", he's a far more nuanced depiction of an evil spirit than vaatu, much like Owl guy is a much more nuanced version of a "good" spirit. korra season 2 essentally proposes that the avatar is just simply by association with raava, who is objectively good. meanwhile owl guy was extremely unwilling to aid aang, and even actively opposes him once he learns of the gang's actual motivations

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I'm struggling to understand how Koh is a nuanced depiction of evil. Sure, he doesn't run around yelling "MUAHAHAHA I AM THE BAD GUY" like Vaatu, but... He steals the faces of the living, condemning them to a life without identity. We see one of the guys he did this to in the comic, the man was living in misery. And Koh has done this to many, many people and spirits. Definition evil.

Wan Shi Tong, you could at worst paint as neutral because he didn't want to help Aang, but that's only from a human perspective. From a spirit perspective, he is a collector of knowledge, a wise spirit who shares the gift of learning with those who come to seek it. He loves knowledge, and hates to see it used to hurt others or cause them pain. He is objectively good.

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because Koh helps Aang, actually he more directly helps him than Wan Shi does. and some of his face-stealing is presented as less malevolent and instead a means of punishing arrogance. he's certainly closer to evil than he is good but he has his own motivations that stem beyond "I am the embodiment of evil and darkness" which is all that vaatu is.

and if Wan Shi was truly "good" in the context of the Ravaa/Vatuu black and white dynamic, why would he not help Aang? if the avatar is bonded with the spirit of objective good, how would opposing them align a spirit more with good than evil?

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Koh also has no stakes in humanity's plight. While he did help Aang, during the entire conversation he was trying to bait reactions out of him by doing so. His goal was to steal Aang's face, and his help was only feeding him information that had no value to Koh (other than getting reactions out of someone so he could steal their face). With no face, Aang's journey would have ended then and there. He also admits to stealing the faces of children, so there's that little moment of "muahaha".

As for Wan Shi Tong, you definitely raise a good point about the Avatar and Raava. Still, the Avatar may be bonded with Raava, but the Avatar is still a human so it was Aang and not Raava that he was rejecting. Aang is connected to Raava, but not in the way that Wan (the Avatar) was. Wan Shi Tong doesn't trust humans, but on learning that Aang was the Avatar, he DID permit them to browse his library on the avatar's word that the knowledge wouldn't be used to destroy anyone (which Aang lied about). The war is a very human thing, and Wan didn't want his knowledge to be used in it. I imagine if Raava had spoken to Wan Shi Tong directly, he would have permitted and even helped Aang with what he needed, not for the sake of war, but for the sake of restoring harmony and balance. Still, that's just headcanon so I'll give this one to you. If someone channeling Raava came and told me they needed to know how to fuck someone's day all the way up I'd probably just assume it was for a good reason and help them. Wan Shi Tong chose not to, so I can see the grey in that one.

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I like it more than ATLA, mostly because I couldn't stand Aang as he was a Marty Sue of a protagonist.

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Webbernet posted...

Pandering isn't a safe move, no. It's just...there to appease people. Pandering is basically putting something in just to appease people.

Thats quite literally what I meant by the safe move. Its not the path of least resistance to have a homosexual relationship on television. Its not the easy move that pleases the most making of people. A lot of people are going to bitch and moan like you wouldnt believe. You may think they didnt sell it, but there is no way in this day and age that that is the easy move to appease the larger group.

Have you even seen how pissed off people are getting about the last of us 2? How we have a president thats actively taking protections away? LGBT people have to fight to exist. If they wanted to appease the most amount of people they wouldnt do anything that polarizing.

The problem is, it's still pandering.
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Says the dude who opened this conversation by saying he hasn't watched it.

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Chicken_Butt posted...

Koh also has no stakes in humanity's plight. While he did help Aang, during the entire conversation he was trying to bait reactions out of him by doing so. His goal was to steal Aang's face, and his help was only feeding him information that had no value to Koh (other than getting reactions out of someone so he could steal their face). With no face, Aang's journey would have ended then and there. He also admits to stealing the faces of children, so there's that little moment of "muahaha".

As for Wan Shi Tong, you definitely raise a good point about the Avatar and Raava. Still, the Avatar may be bonded with Raava, but the Avatar is still a human so it was Aang and not Raava that he was rejecting. Aang is connected to Raava, but not in the way that Wan (the Avatar) was. Wan Shi Tong doesn't trust humans, but on learning that Aang was the Avatar, he DID permit them to browse his library on the avatar's word that the knowledge wouldn't be used to destroy anyone (which Aang lied about). The war is a very human thing, and Wan didn't want his knowledge to be used in it. I imagine if Raava had spoken to Wan Shi Tong directly, he would have permitted and even helped Aang with what he needed, not for the sake of war, but for the sake of restoring harmony and balance. Still, that's just headcanon so I'll give this one to you. If someone channeling Raava came and told me they needed to know how to fuck someone's day all the way up I'd probably just assume it was for a good reason and help them. Wan Shi Tong chose not to, so I can see the grey in that one.

I don't really see morality as objective, but even then I still wouldn't say Koh is evil per se. You're judging a spirit by human standards. I guess Hei Bai was also evil for abducting villagers that had nothing to do with his forest getting burned down. What spirits do to humans does not define their morality, in the same way that animals have probably had to die for your lifestyle to continue the way it does. Spirits probably their own reasoning that doesn't make any sense to humans, so it doesn't make sense to try to define them through conventional human views on morality. At the very least, seeing them in black and white morality is infinitely more boring.

the people who make a huge bitching showing about the korra/asami stuff are def sus

as if the rest of the show doesn't have horribly written romance

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Delirious_Beard posted...

the people who make a huge bitching showing about the korra/asami stuff are def sus

as if the rest of the show doesn't have horribly written romance

I remember Aang creeping on Katara in book 3 made me really uncomfortable.

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EliteGuard99 posted...

I remember Aang creeping on Katara in book 3 made me really uncomfortable.

yeah the show is kind of inconsistent in regards to how katara feels about aang romantically. which makes him suddenly kissing her and her nonplussed reaction make it kind of uncomfortable. i think him being younger than her always put a lot of people off as well

the writers seem to push a lot of the awful tropes when it comes to romance. the absolute worst of it being when tenzin's trash wife gives the absolute garbage cliche "just confess your feelings to someone already in a relationship teehee" in order to spur on an awful love triangle that really only damages korra and mako's likablity

well i suppose there's also the bolin/aubrey plaza yandere garbage which i cannot believe anyone thought would be amusing. and then the whole bolin kissing a woman without consent thing which is uhhhh

really kind of get the vibe the writers were just reenacting some of their fantasies

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EliteGuard99 posted...

I remember Aang creeping on Katara in book 3 made me really uncomfortable.

Yeah, there are two things I didn't like about the original series. One was the Deus ex ending, and the second was aang ending up with Katara.

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I'm actually wanting to watch this, I saw a bit of s1 and really liked Korra.
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Always liked it due to Avatar, but I can write an essay about what it did wrong.

I just finished it and made a topic about it I thought it was pretty good season three definitely seem to be the strongest

i can't remember, was it ever confirmed that they wanted to have aang off ozai but couldn't due to Nickelodeon or whatever?

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I don't think it was ever confirmed, but the whole way the last episodes of Fire make me assume they had planned to have Aang come to terms with killing Ozai, with Nickelodeon vetoing it.

<3

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I fully recommend the two Korra comic book three part stories.


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JE19426 posted...

I don't think it was ever confirmed, but the whole way the last episodes of Fire make me assume they had planned to have Aang come to terms with killing Ozai, with Nickelodeon vetoing it.

See, I'd be very surprised if that was the case. I wasn't a huge fan of the mild asspull they did, but it absolutely fit with the themes they had going on throughout the show.

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pegusus123456 posted...

See, I'd be very surprised if that was the case. I wasn't a huge fan of the mild asspull they did, but it absolutely fit with the themes they had going on throughout the show.

It just seems like a weird way to do it. Again and again everyone tells Aang he has to kill Ozai, the Lion Turtle touches Aang's forehead and then 40 minutes later we see he taught Aang how to remove people's bending. The idea of removing bending had never even been presented, why not have some of the pasts Avatars talk about it being a mythical ability or something?

Yeah, the way they went about it was probably the show's biggest flaw, but I think the idea of it fits more with what the show was trying to teach.

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<_< Am I the only one who didn't mind Korra losing her connection? Seriously, the Avatar state needed nerfing otherwise it would be a curbstomp every time unless they once again pull some **** to enhance the "normal" benders powers to absurd levels (like the comet).

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They shouldn't have given her unrestricted access to it in that case. Aang only gets it at the end of Season 3, there's no need to give it to Korra so early, or even at all.

But then you'd just be retreading storylines from TLA

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JE19426 posted...

They shouldn't have given her unrestricted access to it in that case. Aang only gets it at the end of Season 3, there's no need to give it to Korra so early, or even at all.

They didn't. With what they knew, they made Korra mastering the Avatar State the series finale.

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pegusus123456 posted...

Yeah, the way they went about it was probably the show's biggest flaw, but I think the idea of it fits more with what the show was trying to teach.

it would have been a much better character moment for Aang if he had to decide between his personal beliefs (not wanting to kill) and his duties as the avatar

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JE19426 posted...

They shouldn't have given her unrestricted access to it in that case. Aang only gets it at the end of Season 3, there's no need to give it to Korra so early, or even at all.

unlesa that ability is now part of the avatar line and passed from one avatar to another.

Book 2 of Korra heavily implied this to be the case.

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I dont even know what it is

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