Current Events > Protestors block courthouse so landlords can't file evictions

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hockeybub89 posted...

Why weren't the landlords prepared for all possibilites? If they are struggling now, guess they should have made better choices and worked harder. Not being prepared for emergencies is on you, booboo.

Seriously though, we can't just kick a quarter or more of America into the street. As I have said before, Americans don't even know how to be selfish correctly.

When the entire system itself is shutting down all possibilitys like eviction there really isnt much any landlord can do at that point. Most of them would probably be trying to sell their houses now rather then put up with this economy for a day longer.


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Payzmaykr posted...

Nice. I would feel like the government should pay the landlords the back rent, but theyre literally so greedy that they deserve it.

$1600/month for two bedrooms and two bathrooms? No.

that would be so nice

im paying 2860

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People are simply being disingenuous or think they can acquire real estate without buying it. Here is the reality, simplified:

1) there is a right to private property
2) renting your private property is legal
3) wiping out people who have a rental home or two wont wipe out the companies that rent entire buildings across the country. Those ones are far more abusive and cut throat than any individual (physical person) renter.

The_homelander posted...

3) wiping out people who have a rental home or two wont wipe out the companies that rent entire buildings across the country. Those ones are far more abusive and cut throat than any individual (physical person) renter.

Those will be the first to raze a building to the ground and donate it to the city as a "new park", just to get out of property taxes.

Here is something else to consider: individual landlords (a person) are the equivalent to a mom & pap store, while rental companies that rent huge buildings are the equivalent to wal mart.

why would you destroy the former to solidify the latter? You know small businesses or middle class/upper middle class people pour more money into the economy than the walmarts of the world, right?

Questionmarktarius posted...

Those will be the first to raze a building to the ground and donate it to the city as a "new park", just to get out of property taxes.

exactly!

i dont know why these guys are so angry vs some dudes who own a rental property but suck the soles of the boots of big corp, big Corp is literally evil

The_homelander posted...

People are simply being disingenuous or think they can acquire real estate without buying it. Here is the reality, simplified:

1) there is a right to private property
2) renting your private property is legal
3) wiping out people who have a rental home or two wont wipe out the companies that rent entire buildings across the country. Those ones are far more abusive and cut throat than any individual (physical person) renter.

interesting, please tell me more

tigerslashII posted...

It's not magic, but it does determine success from failure more often than it doesn't. I was raised on food stamps and welfare Christmases and dropped out of school, now I'm working in a good career with amazing pay potential, all because I applied myself, own my mistakes, and went back to school for a degree in a field that is rapidly growing.

My family is broke, but they're broke because they don't do anything to help themselves. I lived my life using them as an example of what not to be and it has served me well so far. They're not where they are because of bad luck, they're where they are because they refused to change. And that's life, financial and otherwise.

Hard times don't make strong men, hard times leave only strong men standing.

It's great that you were able to do that, but you recognize that it's far more likely that you wouldn't succeed than what's actually happened. You recognize that, that's why you're proud of it, right? Any number of things beyond your control could have permanently derailed you, opportunities that you received could have fallen through, your hard work could have been spit upon.

I could give the same story as I'm an immigrant from a third world country with working class parents. Yes, I've worked hard but there's no way I would think that what I've achieved was inevitable based on my hard work or anything like that. It's a series of incredible lucky breaks that have gotten me where I am and I think it would be crazy to say that people who haven't had those breaks or who haven't gotten where I am should just be assumed to be less worthy.

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Platoe posted...

interesting, please tell me more

more

hockeybub89 posted...

Why weren't the landlords prepared for all possibilites? If they are struggling now, guess they should have made better choices and worked harder. Not being prepared for emergencies is on you, booboo.

Seriously though, we can't just kick a quarter or more of America into the street. As I have said before, Americans don't even know how to be selfish correctly.

They are prepared to kick out any time that you dont pay the rent. It isnt related to the pandemic. They do this all the time. They dont need to cover the cost for you to live there even if they can afford to. They are a business, not a charity.

But yeah make better choices indeed. Like using your stimulus check for rent instead of video games, and spending your time looking for another job instead of protesting. A little less entitlement goes a long way.

looked posted...

It isnt related to the pandemic

looked posted...

Like using your stimulus check for rent instead of video games,

$1200 wouldn't get you an average monthly rent in most major cities. $1200 in April has been spent already.

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I feel bad for the landlords, but it's better they lose some rental income instead of having people live on the streets.

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tigerslashII posted...

It's not magic, but it does determine success from failure more often than it doesn't.

[citation needed]

I was raised on food stamps and welfare Christmases and dropped out of school, now I'm working in a good career with amazing pay potential, all because I applied myself, own my mistakes, and went back to school for a degree in a field that is rapidly growing.

good for you. that is not feasible for everyone.

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The_homelander posted...

People are simply being disingenuous or think they can acquire real estate without buying it. Here is the reality, simplified:

1) there is a right to private property
2) renting your private property is legal
3) wiping out people who have a rental home or two wont wipe out the companies that rent entire buildings across the country. Those ones are far more abusive and cut throat than any individual (physical person) renter.

i see

Platoe posted...

i see

do you see what I seeeee?

The_homelander posted...

think they can acquire real estate without buying it.

Going to be pedantic because you technically can acquire real estate without buying it. It just doesn't come up often in the modern age.

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legendary_zell posted...

Kick 30 million people out onto them street at once and you'll honestly wish we had just confiscated every landlord's property. The unrest will be like nothing you've ever experienced. You people must understand, that's why this always happens when things get bad enough.

An eviction crisis on this scale will put events in motion that you don't want to live through and are completely unpredictable. We should have canceled rent, it was the only practical and moral thing to do.

This is what I don't get. When we see a massive surge of homelessness, are people fine with that just expecting the homeless to roll over and die?

That's the type of situation that causes social unrest, increases in crime, and protests/riots. and if it gets bad enough, it'll disrupt the comfy way of life for all the people saying "not my problem"

You dont get to live in a vacuum away from society. If you let your foundation crumble, you will be caught in the collapse. That's what these people need to understand
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averagejoel posted...

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/30/ what-its-like-to-be-evicted-during-the-coivd-19-pandemic.html

Just read the article and its interesting for sure. Still not sure how OPs post will help at all though. Theres nothing heroic about this approach.

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Accurate.

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PatrickMahomes posted...

WashYourHands posted...

People who hate landlords mostly just didnt pay rent.

SodomInsane posted...

Landlords have bills too.

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lincoln002 posted...

Accurate.

Landlord can't pay mortgage on second property loses investment *plus renter still ends up getting evicted by the bank that repossesses the property.

Now it's accurate.

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lincoln002 posted...

Accurate.

No, not really.

Landlord can't pay mortgage on the property = Landlord losses investment AND renter *becomes homeless during pandemic*

Not to mention the landlord may also lose their home, too, if they rely on income from their properties and don't have another source of income.

Another tweet that didn't quite think it all through.

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Should be attacking the government for not providing proper financial aid to help pay the rent during a pandemic instead.

Attacking landlords for not letting people stay in their property for for free is idiotic and I guarantee the vast majority of people suggesting it wouldnt let anybody live with them for free.

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landlord slurping is equal to bootlicking

Aeptia posted...

Just read the article and its interesting for sure. Still not sure how OPs post will help at all though. Theres nothing heroic about this approach.

who the hell was claiming that a topic on CE was going to keep people from being evicted in the first place?

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voldothegr8 posted...

LOL you think the mega banks owning properties instead of landlords will lower rent?

No?

My point was simply that: we were inevitably headed towards collapse regardless. I'm simply just curious as to how our government will react and handle the situation.

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averagejoel posted...

who the hell was claiming that a topic on CE was going to keep people from being evicted in the first place?

Im obviously talking about what the people are doing in the video, not the post itself.

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Aeptia posted...

Im obviously talking about what the people are doing in the video, not the post itself.

it was not obvious to me. OP has also posted several times in the topic since then, so it wasn't even clear which post you were referring to. just be precise with your language.

regardless, the sort of change that's necessary is not going to happen without these kinds of protests

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averagejoel posted...

it was not obvious to me. OP has also posted several times in the topic since then, so it wasn't even clear which post you were referring to. just be precise with your language.

Fair enough

regardless, the sort of change that's necessary is not going to happen without these kinds of protests

I wouldn't call physically blocking someone from entry "protesting" though. Also, protests are specifically about appealing to people with the authority to make changes, and are sympathetic to the cause for whatever reason. You don't protest if you want something done yourself, which is implied by the people blocking the person trying to enter the courthouse.

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Aeptia posted...

I wouldn't call physically blocking someone from entry "protesting" though

in this context, it is unambiguously a form of protest

Also, protests are specifically about appealing to people with the authority to make changes, and are sympathetic to the cause for whatever reason.

incorrect.

generally speaking, people with authority are not sympathetic tn the cause. the goal is to force the authority figures to be accountable and prevent them from ignoring the issue in question

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comrades, take up your flutes
raise up your oboes and deny these scumlords the fruits of your labor!

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Houston posted...

No, not really.

Landlord can't pay mortgage on the property = Landlord losses investment AND renter *becomes homeless during pandemic*

Not to mention the landlord may also lose their home, too, if they rely on income from their properties and don't have another source of income.

Another tweet that didn't quite think it all through.

Pretty much this. My brother and I have had to pay my mom's rent for her apartment over 5 times in the past year alone or she would have gotten evicted. Funny thing is she would never have the entitlement to expect to live in her apartment without paying rent even though some squatters and shitty tenants are doing that to her and many here seem to think that is just and fair.

Idk why society continues being naive and narrow minded about these things, resulting in attacking itself instead of the very system that failed them.

Meanwhile the govt is delighted as fuck to see how desperate things have become for these people on both sides suffering.

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averagejoel posted...

in this context, it is unambiguously a form of protest

I disagree. They stopped protesting the moment they took physical action against someone else.

incorrect.

generally speaking, people with authority are not sympathetic tn the cause. the goal is to force the authority figures to be accountable and prevent them from ignoring the issue in question

How does protesting force someone to be accountable? It most definitely is about appeal, because the whole point is to visibly encourage authority to make changes. How could you claim that protesting is about force? Who is forced when people peaceably assemble? You are conflating action with speech, and determining that they are both protests, which isn't true.

Protest is strictly about discourse and is a form of verbal disapproval. You are trying to convince the people you are protesting against, meaning optics are very important. Blocking someone from being able to carry out an action is not protesting, because you are now engaging directly. Discourse has been surmounted by action.

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Dude whomever taught you civics, please go slap them upside the head and get your money back. Lol at protesting not protesting if it's action as opposed to discourse. Discourse is what follows the action, once the protesters demands are finally willing to be heard

MixedRaceBaby posted...

Good

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Platoe posted...

Dude whomever taught you civics, please go slap them upside the head and get your money back. Lol at protesting not protesting if it's action as opposed to discourse. Discourse is what follows the action, once the protesters demands are finally willing to be heard

I know this is a bait topic, but the person who you got your understanding of civics from is clearly a communist; a political perspective built upon fantastical delusions. I feel no shame ignoring your ridiculous assertions.

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lol

Aeptia posted...

I disagree. They stopped protesting the moment they took physical action against someone else.
How does protesting force someone to be accountable? It most definitely is about appeal, because the whole point is to visibly encourage authority to make changes. How could you claim that protesting is about force? Who is forced when people peaceably assemble? You are conflating action with speech, and determining that they are both protests, which isn't true.

Protest is strictly about discourse and is a form of verbal disapproval. You are trying to convince the people you are protesting against, meaning optics are very important. Blocking someone from being able to carry out an action is not protesting, because you are now engaging directly. Discourse has been surmounted by action.

Damn, not a bad take at all.

Would it be reasonable to assume based off the logic of some here, that physically blocking people is a fair form of protest, then we can therefore say blocking people from casting votes is also a fair form of protest?

Edit- to be clear I think that idea is absurd, I am just curious if their logic would lead one to assume both are reasonable.

2019/20 alts shook as FUCK

Aeptia posted...

I disagree. They stopped protesting the moment they took physical action against someone else.

you are incorrect. protest is inherently a physical action.

How does protesting force someone to be accountable? It most definitely is about appeal, because the whole point is to visibly encourage authority to make changes. How could you claim that protesting is about force? Who is forced when people peaceably assemble?

there are many ways to force accountability as part of a protest. property damage is a common one.

You are conflating action with speech, and determining that they are both protests, which isn't true.

I am not doing that, and I'm not sure how you got that reading from what I said.

Protest is strictly about discourse and is a form of verbal disapproval. You are trying to convince the people you are protesting against, meaning optics are very important.

this is just blatantly false. you clearly do not know what a protest is; I suggest learning what they are before continuing this conversation. a few good examples to read up on off the top of my head:
-black lives matter
-occupy wall street
-stonewall riots
-hong kong protests
-the civil rights movement

look specifically for tactics that they used as part of their protests. blocking traffic is a common one. as I mentioned up there ^, property damage is another.

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Some of you should look up the term "direct action." It gets the goods.

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Jagr_68 posted...

Idk why society continues being naive and narrow minded about these things, resulting in attacking itself instead of the very system that failed them.

Meanwhile the govt is delighted as fuck to see how desperate things have become for these people on both sides suffering.

well said.

kushhers companies, 45s companies and national chains have gotten millions and millions of dollars in small business help because of covid. Renters are not getting shit, neither are small (individual) landlords.

yet the people with this bucket full of crabs mentality are turning vs the small landlords, while the Kushners of the world lick their chops.... soon they will take over even more of the market, and no one is going to bully them around

toomanymonikers posted...

Damn, not a bad take at all.

Would it be reasonable to assume based off the logic of some here, that physically blocking people is a fair form of protest, then we can therefore say blocking people from casting votes is also a fair form of protest?

Edit- to be clear I think that idea is absurd, I am just curious if their logic would lead one to assume both are reasonable.

I think if the action taken in the first post is considered a protest, then yes, that would also be protesting by that logic.

averagejoel posted...

you are incorrect. protest is inherently a physical action.

Speaking is also inherently a physical action. We separate a conversation from a fight for example, and that is so we can distinctly determine the difference in impact each of these actions present. That is why protesting is defined as "a statement or action expressing disapproval of or objection to something". No one would say that punching a police officer in the face is a form of protest, because it isn't.

there are many ways to force accountability as part of a protest. property damage is a common one.

That's not protesting. That's direct action. You also cannot "force accountability" with a protest. Even if I take your liberal definition of the term, none of those examples you provided holds anyone to account over something. Just take the video in the first post. Who is being held to account exactly? They are physically blocking a person from being able to file evictions. He won't hold himself to account, he'll just be annoyed and irritated at the people preventing him from doing his job.

I am not doing that, and I'm not sure how you got that reading from what I said.

You are literally doing that and you continue to do so in this very post.

this is just blatantly false. you clearly do not know what a protest is; I suggest learning what they are before continuing this conversation. a few good examples to read up on off the top of my head:
-black lives matter
-occupy wall street
-stonewall riots
-hong kong protests
-the civil rights movement

look specifically for tactics that they used as part of their protests. blocking traffic is a common one. as I mentioned up there ^, property damage is another.

Those weren't all protests. Protesting is a specific form of activism. The fact that you have conflated all of these occurrences into protesting tells me you don't know the difference between various forms of activism. The law also doesn't recognise property damage as a form of activism, in example. That is always vandalism in the eyes of the law, regardless of the reason. Your refusal to be distinct about the activist methods paints those you support in a negative light.

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Houston posted...

No, not really.

Landlord can't pay mortgage on the property = Landlord losses investment AND renter *becomes homeless during pandemic*

Not to mention the landlord may also lose their home, too, if they rely on income from their properties and don't have another source of income.

Another tweet that didn't quite think it all through.

Landlord can apply for mortgage forbearance loan to keep their property. Landlords are just looking out for themselves.

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