Poll of the Day > I don't think I like Legend of Korra as much as ATLA

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Recently watched Avatar The Last Airbender start to finish and loved it. Finished season 2 of Korra today. It's good, just not as good. The best episodes so far were the two about where bending and the Avatar came from.

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I agree.

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That's a very high bar.

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Is there only 3 seasons of ATLA? I'm on season 2 right now, but almost done, sad there will only be one more season (or at least that is all that is on netflix).

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Yeah there's only 3 seasons

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papercup posted...

Yeah there's only 3 seasons

:(

Oh well, lucifer is in a few days so I'll just finish up by then and I won't miss it so much.

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I think theyre supposed to be two very different shows, just like Aang and Korra are completely different characters.

they were clearly trying to tell a story in the same universe as TLA, but also meant for it to be a very different story and very a different style. So its tough to compare them.

it kinda reminds me of Alien vs Aliens

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I only watched the first two seasons for some reason and never watched Korra.
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Korra just kind of got weird.

LoK revealed the right-wing political bias of the creators, which was kind of a turn-off, thb. =/

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ComradeSeraphim posted...

LoK revealed the right-wing political bias of the creators, which was kind of a turn-off, thb. =/

Lesbians are right wing political bias?
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lava bending was cool though.

toph was still badass
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Revelation34 posted...

Lesbians are right wing political bias?

Throwing "Surprise, lesbians!" in at the end when your show is already over just to net Internet street cred doesn't really come across as a defining manifesto for your work. If they'd pushed that idea from the very beginning, there'd be more of a case for an agenda there. As is,it feels more like a "Well, the show's over anyway and we're not doing a third one, so fuck it" moment.

Not that I'd necessarily say the rest of the show was right-wing biased, though a lot of it depends on how you interpret the political aspects of the world, and whether you think they're demonizing a certain group/mindset as a whole by presenting them as pseudo-villains.

It's probably more akin to how South Park usually gets called out for its politics - right-wingers kind of shit on South Park for being too anti-Right, and left-wingers tend to dislike how much it shits on the Left. Which mainly stems from the fact that Trey and Matt think both sides are stupid and tend to see themselves more as centrist libertarians. It's the same reason Team America either comes across as an insulting view of how the Right see themselves as militant and racist guardians of order and morality or an indictment of how the "liberal elite" tend to force their ignorant viewpoints on the world by using Hollywood and media influence. People always tend to see other people's biases and hypocrisy far more clearly than their own.
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ComradeSeraphim posted...

LoK revealed the right-wing political bias of the creators, which was kind of a turn-off, thb. =/

retcon.

no proof in the show, unless you think two girls holding hands while they walk into another world means they are lesbian
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Quatrerwin posted...

Korra just kind of got weird.

Revelation34 posted...

Lesbians are right wing political bias?

I was legit gonna ask if water tentacles and orgies were involved but I mean, lesbian water benders would kinda cover that.

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Revelation34 posted...

Lesbians are right wing political bias?

Okay, one left-wing point (at the very end of the series when it no longer mattered), but nearly everything else endorsed right-wing ideology. It was clear pretty early on that the creators were advocating what was essentially Libertarianism or Anarcho-Capitalism, both of which are right-wing ideologies. Almost every villain in Legend of Korra was obviously a representative of some variation of Socialist, Communist, or Anarchist. The only two exceptions being the Earth Queen, who was a Monarchist (a right-wing ideology), and Kuvira, who was an imperialist (an ideology that can be either right or left, depending on other factors which the show didn't explore). The villains in season one were literally called the "Equalists," for crying out loud! It doesn't get much more obvious than that.

My Little Pony had this same problem in season 5 with the equality episode, but that's a different show.

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socialists/communists/anarchists as villains?

"oh no!"

horrible ideology that ruins things as a bad concept?

"how dare they"
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It's the consensus that TLA>LOK

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Krazy_Kirby posted...

horrible ideology that ruins things as a bad concept?

No. :)

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Korra had better antagonists. Ozai is just a bad guy. The rest of the series is so great that the show is actually better for it (somehow), but ya, the villains of the 1st and 3rd seasons of LOK actually had substance to them.

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wolfy42 posted...

I was legit gonna ask if water tentacles and orgies were involved but I mean, lesbian water benders would kinda cover that.

That wasn't what got weird. The whole Raava thing just felt unnecessary and kind of retconned avatar a bit too much for me.

ComradeSeraphim posted...

advocating what was essentially Libertarianism or Anarcho-Capitalism, both of which are right-wing ideologies.

Except they're not.

Or to be fair, libertarianism isn't - it literally has both "Left" and "Right" branches depending on how you interpret its basic principles. It's why things like Anarcho-Communism and Anarcho-Syndicalism exist, and why "libertarianism" itself was literally known as "liberalism" when it was first articulated (and why some libertarians still prefer to refer to it as "classical liberalism", as opposed to "modern liberalism").

Generally, it tends to come down to whether or not you emphasize the social aspects of libertarianism or the economic aspects of libertarianism. In the US "Right Libertarianism" tends to be the more popular mindset mainly because we tend to have capitalism beaten into our brains as a good thing almost from birth, and because we live in a culture that strongly emphasizes personal freedom and consumerism. But "Left Libertarianism" is much more popular in Europe and other parts of the world.

It's also part of why a lot of libertarians don't actually consider the Libertarian Party in the US to be libertarian at all. In a lot of ways, the US Libertarian Party is just the "I want to do drugs and stop paying taxes" party.



ComradeSeraphim posted...

Almost every villain in Legend of Korra was obviously a representative of some variation of Socialist, Communist, or Anarchist.The only two exceptions being the Earth Queen, who was a Monarchist (a right-wing ideology), and Kuvira, who was an imperialist (an ideology that can be either right or left, depending on other factors which the show didn't explore).

So what you're saying is, half the major villains fall on one side while the other half fall on the other side, but the ones that disprove your argument don't count.

You're also ignoring the fact that the people opposing the Equalists are portrayed as being kind of equally shitty, and the movement itself is being manipulated by someone who profits from inequality. Not to mention that the franchise as a whole tends to condemn imperialism in general pretty strongly, governments in general tend to be corrupt, criticizing tyrants who exploit fear to take greater power, and all of which are pretty strongly Left-aligned ideals.

And that's not even getting into the fact that Asami was originally supposed to be a spy until they decided they liked her too much (which is why she's designed more like a villain than a good character), and that her dad is basically an ultra-capitalist (and a major bad guy). There's ample ammunition to argue that capitalism isn't necessarily a good thing either as early as the first season.

The problem is that you're so convinced that you understand the secret agenda of the show producers and are viewing the whole show through that lens, so of course you're only going to see the things that prove you right while glossing completely over the things that prove you wrong. Because otherwise, you might actually have to admit you might be wrong.
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FrozenBananas posted...

I think theyre supposed to be two very different shows, just like Aang and Korra are completely different characters.

they were clearly trying to tell a story in the same universe as TLA, but also meant for it to be a very different story and very a different style. So its tough to compare them.

it kinda reminds me of Alien vs Aliens

Part of the problem with that is that it's a direct sequel and, as a result, previously established characters and themes are effected in negative ways.

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just realised he is an alt account

148 karma in 4 years
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Imagine being so used to shows being heavily left-biased that the slightest hint of right wing stuff not being villainised makes you feel indoctrinated toward the right lol
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

just realised he is an alt account

148 karma in 4 years

The profile just confirms what you should have been able to tell from the posts =p

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Sounds more like the show is more against extremism than a specific political ideology.

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I like how one of the villains in season 3 doesn't have arms. Not often you see handicapped villains like that.

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papercup posted...

I like how one of the villains in season 3 doesn't have arms. Not often you see handicapped villains like that.

I mean, if I didn't have arms i'd probably be a villain as well. Seriously, like FDSDF## you universe.

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Finished season 3. I liked it, there were some great fights towards the end.

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