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MARKINGRAM22
08/27/20 12:29:57 PM
#104:


CableZL posted...
Understanding that a minor doesn't have a right to possess a firearm doesn't make you an armchair lawyer.

YES CHARGE HIM FOR OWNING A FIRE ARM THAT HE SHOULDN'T POSSESS

That said how are you ignoring that they assaulted him? Literally smashing him with a skateboard. He had every right to defend himself from getting beaten to death. Also, in what world was it illegal for him to be there, and why did the violent rioters have any more of a right?
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KombatBawb
08/27/20 12:30:37 PM
#105:


CableZL posted...
Understanding that a minor doesn't have a right to possess a firearm doesn't make you an armchair lawyer.

You're simply wrong.

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s0nicfan
08/27/20 12:31:29 PM
#106:


MARKINGRAM22 posted...
YES CHARGE HIM FOR OWNING A FIRE ARM THAT HE SHOULDN'T POSSESS

That said how are you ignoring that they assaulted him? Literally smashing him with a skateboard. He had every right to defend himself from getting beaten to death. Also, in what world was it illegal for him to be there, and why did the violent rioters have any more of a right?

It wasn't just smacking somebody with a skateboard. According to what the New York Times put together, a mob was chasing him and somebody fired a pistol into the air before he got knocked down and hit.

At this point I have to believe that most people are consciously choosing to not look up additional details about the situation because they have their opinion and don't want it to be challenged.

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CableZL
08/27/20 12:32:21 PM
#107:


s0nicfan posted...
Just so you're aware, many states don't have a legal minimum age for possessing a firearm and some have separate rules for pistols vs. Hunting rifles. So it's possible that he had a legal right to own that firearm in his home state.

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/state-law/50-state-summaries/child-access-prevention-state-by-state/

In Illinois (his home state), you have to be 18.


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MARKINGRAM22
08/27/20 12:32:23 PM
#108:


StarReaper13 posted...
You misunderstood the point of the analogy. The people defending Kyle are the same people who defended Zimmerman in the sense the neither of them were supposed to be in the place where they killed another person, and if they stayed home as they were supposed to, they wouldn't have killed someone.

If he had the right why did he travel to another state with a firearm illegally? Unlike you, I'm not assuming where the protesters and rioters came from when they may have come from Kenosha which more or less gives them more right to be there then he ever could.

You realize you are allowed to be in places you don't live right? That literally has nothing to do with the situation at all. Fact is they attacked him...done. Charge him for not being allowed to carry that fire arm, but he had every right to defend himself. If a women is getting raped and uses an illegal weapon this doesn't give the rapist the right to do it. This is fucking insane.
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KombatBawb
08/27/20 12:32:46 PM
#109:


"That said how are you ignoring that they assaulted him?"

Leftists by default dont believe in self defense otherwise self defense would be a reason to resist property seizure/wealth redistribution

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--Zero-
08/27/20 12:32:47 PM
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It's funny that this is being debated in defense of the killer because he's white and should get off in racist America.

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DaTwistedGuns
08/27/20 12:32:51 PM
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Are people defending this kid? Wasn't even from the state, ran around like he was playing Call of Duty. lol WTF is wrong with you.
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DontHateMe
08/27/20 12:33:09 PM
#112:


MARKINGRAM22 posted...
Nah I mean the left I feel is fucking delusional on this issue, but people of both sides do say this. I mean I don't think Floyds minor shit had anything to do with that dick putting a knee on his neck for 8 minutes, but having a large criminal record, being armed and resisting arrest definitely should play into the use of force(not to mention non lethal options were used first).

Literally said George Floyd deserve to die for his past criminal record. Oof.


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CableZL
08/27/20 12:33:10 PM
#113:


KombatBawb posted...
You're simply wrong.

The dude is 17 years old and lives in Illinois. You have to be 18 to legally possess a firearm in Illinois.

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MARKINGRAM22
08/27/20 12:33:23 PM
#114:


CableZL posted...
It should play into the use of force, yes, but it isn't justification for what happened.
The justification is he was getting beaten with a deadly weapon and they initiated the assault.
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StarReaper13
08/27/20 12:33:44 PM
#115:


MARKINGRAM22 posted...
If a women is getting raped and uses an illegal weapon this doesn't give the rapist the right to do it. This is fucking insane.
The fact that you tried to use this as a comparison exposes that regardless of what I say you're hopelessly stuck on your shitty views.

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TheVipaGTS
08/27/20 12:34:01 PM
#116:


So he took an illegal firearm across state lines to at the very least intimidate protesters, and when defended themselves against a perceived threat (you know, the guy with a gun) he can claim self defense? No thanks. He was an idiot. He knew what he was getting into.

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MARKINGRAM22
08/27/20 12:34:09 PM
#117:


CableZL posted...
The dude is 17 years old and lives in Illinois. You have to be 18 to legally possess a firearm in Illinois.
Cool, charge him with that. Still doesn't mean he has to just let people attack him.
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thronedfire2
08/27/20 12:34:09 PM
#118:


MARKINGRAM22 posted...
Totally agree, and he should get charged for having the gun, but he was the one attacked. Should he just lay down and hope they don't kill him?

he shouldnt have gone to a protest with a gun

everyone going there with guns is just waiting for an excuse to use them

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CableZL
08/27/20 12:34:45 PM
#119:


MARKINGRAM22 posted...
Cool, charge him with that. Still doesn't mean he has to just let people attack him.
Nobody is suggesting that he "just has to let people attack him."

You can defend yourself without the use of a weapon you aren't legally allowed to own.

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MARKINGRAM22
08/27/20 12:34:58 PM
#120:


TheVipaGTS posted...
So he took an illegal firearm across state lines to at the very least intimidate protesters, and when after defended themselves against a perceived threat (you know, the guy with a gun) he can claim self defense? No thanks. He was an idiot. He knew what he was getting into.

LOL at them defending themselves. They were literally there to commit violence. The fucking city is burning.
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brotrrwinner
08/27/20 12:36:02 PM
#121:


DuranOfForcena posted...
>crosses state lines with an illegally owned firearm
>lies about working for a local business
>has no martial authority whatsoever and no justifiable reason to be there wielding a gun

yeah, you don't get to claim self defense when you go looking for trouble
Just to clarify something: looking for trouble isn't a crime

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KombatBawb
08/27/20 12:36:18 PM
#122:


CableZL posted...
The dude is 17 years old and lives in Illinois. You have to be 18 to legally possess a firearm in Illinois.

Imagine thinking this can be used in court as evidence for murder lmao.

Also minors in Illinois can have guns if their parents consent

Also he wanst in Illinois when it went down.

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Tired-Insomniac
08/27/20 12:36:23 PM
#123:


CableZL posted...
The dude is 17 years old and lives in Illinois. You have to be 18 to legally possess a firearm in Illinois.

I believe that's just for a handgun.

For the rifle he used, it's 21

But either way he's too young

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MARKINGRAM22
08/27/20 12:37:10 PM
#124:


CableZL posted...
Nobody is suggesting that he "just has to let people attack him."

You can defend yourself without the use of a weapon you aren't legally allowed to own.
Ok, so he should have just thrown his gun to the side and fight a mob of people who have weapons of their own? He should just hope that he can fight them all off and not just get a skateboard to the side of the head and have them stomp him to death.

Lets see you be in that situation and just say "I'm not going to use this firearm cause it isn't registered to me." Literally the dumbest thing I have ever heard.
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StarReaper13
08/27/20 12:37:17 PM
#125:


KombatBawb posted...
Imagine thinking this can be used in court as evidence for murder lmao.

Also minors in Illinois can have guns if their parents consent

Also he wanst in Illinois when it went down.
Isn't the entire "being underage while having a gun" under parental supervision?

And even then he illegally brought a gun across state lines.

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CableZL
08/27/20 12:37:23 PM
#126:


KombatBawb posted...
Imagine thinking this can be used in court as evidence for murder lmao.

Also minors in Illinois can have guns if their parents consent

Also he wanst in Illinois when it went down.

I'm not sure I agree with a murder charge in this situation. I think he should be charged with illegally possessing a firearm.

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CableZL
08/27/20 12:38:05 PM
#128:


MARKINGRAM22 posted...
Ok, so he should have just thrown his gun to the side and fight a mob of people who have weapons of their own? He should just hope that he can fight them all off and not just get a skateboard to the side of the head and have them stomp him to death.

Lets see you be in that situation and just say "I'm not going to use this firearm cause it isn't registered to me." Literally the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

I think he should have stayed home. He wasn't adding anything positive to the situation. The militia was already there and there were plenty of people there who legally owned firearms.

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lolife67
08/27/20 12:38:08 PM
#129:


brotrrwinner posted...
Just to clarify something: looking for trouble isn't a crime
It is if you kill someone in the process. You should look up felony homicide.
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MARKINGRAM22
08/27/20 12:38:19 PM
#130:


brotrrwinner posted...
Just to clarify something: looking for trouble isn't a crime

Of course it is. That is why the people who attacked him did nothing wrong. They were there to help teach kids to read, not cause harm to anyone!
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MKScorpion
08/27/20 12:38:36 PM
#131:


MARKINGRAM22 posted...
Should he just lay down and hope they don't kill him?

That's what black Americans are expected to do when dealing with the police
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eston
08/27/20 12:38:45 PM
#132:


MARKINGRAM22 posted...
Ok, so he should have just thrown his gun to the side and fight a mob of people who have weapons of their own?
He should have stayed the fuck home

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KombatBawb
08/27/20 12:38:46 PM
#133:


CableZL posted...
I'm not sure I agree with a murder charge in this situation. I think he should be charged with illegally possessing a firearm.

I think the charge will be crossing the state line with it rather than simple possession, but yeah.

We don't even know if its a legally registered gun. That will definitely matter.

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MARKINGRAM22
08/27/20 12:39:02 PM
#134:


StarReaper13 posted...
Isn't the entire "being underage while having a gun" under parental supervision?

And even then he illegally brought a gun across state lines.

Yep, and that is completely separate from defending your life from a mob of people attacking you.
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Shablagoo
08/27/20 12:39:23 PM
#135:


I saw the video. An argument can be made for self-defense on maybe the first shot, but the rest were excessive.

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MARKINGRAM22
08/27/20 12:39:50 PM
#136:


eston posted...
He should have stayed the fuck home
But the protesters shouldn't have? They had a right to go there, assault random people, and destroy peoples homes?
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KombatBawb
08/27/20 12:39:58 PM
#137:


MKScorpion posted...
That's what black Americans are expected to do when dealing with the police

This post demonstrates the unhinged mentality of communist minded people.

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s0nicfan
08/27/20 12:40:40 PM
#138:


TheVipaGTS posted...
So he took an illegal firearm across state lines to at the very least intimidate protesters, and when defended themselves against a perceived threat (you know, the guy with a gun) he can claim self defense? No thanks. He was an idiot. He knew what he was getting into.

Rioters who went out with weapons of their own with the explicit intent to destroy property. Not protesters. There's a difference.


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MARKINGRAM22
08/27/20 12:41:11 PM
#139:


Shablagoo posted...
I saw the video. An argument can be made for self-defense on maybe the first shot, but the rest were excessive.

That is actually a reasonable opinion. What isn't reasonable is saying that it is ok to have a mob of people attack him and for him to not defend himself with whatever he has available to him.
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CableZL
08/27/20 12:41:18 PM
#140:


KombatBawb posted...
This post demonstrates the unhinged mentality of communist minded people.

No, it's an expression of what black parents tell their kids to do when encountering police.

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TheVipaGTS
08/27/20 12:41:47 PM
#141:


MARKINGRAM22 posted...
But the protesters shouldn't have? They had a right to go there, assault random people, and destroy peoples homes?
No. But its not his job to go stop them. No one is saying the rioters who were solely there just to cause damage had any right to be there. He put himself into the situation at the request of no one.

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Dark_Spiret
08/27/20 12:41:52 PM
#142:


anything serious is going to come down to what happened prior to the first shooting. he was in a group with a lot of people facing a lot of people. someone has to know what happened or someone has to have recorded it. the weapons charge and out of state isnt going to stick if he gets a good lawyer considering how close he was to everything.

the only things we know is that prior to the shooting you can apparently see the first victim antagonizing the shooter. if it comes out that he ended up pointing the rifle at people before getting chased down then hes going to get fucked. if it turns out the guy or someone else antagonizing him assaults him or threatens to causing him to run then theres a large chance he walks with minor issues.

everything after that is 100% justified on camera and can be used to play the sympathy card from his interview before (saying he was also there to help people with aid) to trying to check on the first person he shot (just before someone says to "get that motherfucker" causing him to flee the scene of the crime) to him trying to turn himself in afterwards to the police ect.
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eston
08/27/20 12:43:04 PM
#143:


MARKINGRAM22 posted...
But the protesters shouldn't have? They had a right to go there, assault random people, and destroy peoples homes?
Nice deflection bro, let's keep it on topic

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StarReaper13
08/27/20 12:44:05 PM
#144:


KombatBawb posted...
This post demonstrates the unhinged mentality of communist minded people.
Not him, but that's literally the advice people say in the event that cops come up to us in any circumstance.

Hand up high, make the cop feel as if you're not a threat in the slightest, no sudden movements, in fact if the cop has his hand on his gun/waist don't move at all if you can help it. Talk clearly, slowly, and not loud enough to the point it seems like there's any aggression.

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Alucard188
08/27/20 12:44:17 PM
#145:


MKScorpion posted...
That's what black Americans are expected to do when dealing with the police

They're basically expected to play Russian roulette, and hope that the officer apprehending them isn't jittery. Then they have to deal with the fallout of character assassination, as if that's justification for killing them.

https://youtu.be/3TyY_hx0qn0

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MARKINGRAM22
08/27/20 12:44:26 PM
#146:


TheVipaGTS posted...
No. But its not his job to go stop them. No one is saying the rioters who were solely there just to cause damage had any right to be there. He put himself into the situation at the request of no one.

If he didn't stop them who would? He should just hope someone stops these people from beating him with blunt objects?
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Shablagoo
08/27/20 12:44:40 PM
#147:


MARKINGRAM22 posted...
That is actually a reasonable opinion. What isn't reasonable is saying that it is ok to have a mob of people attack him and for him to not defend himself with whatever he has available to him.

100% agree, he just should have stopped shooting when they started to retreat. Makes him look really bad that he continued shooting.

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FrostedCream
08/27/20 12:44:44 PM
#148:


**** that ***** ass kid.you people are pus****,thats why you cry and cut up over gun laws all the time.theres no need for anyone outside of the military to walk around with guns that long smh.and his big chunky ass went out there with the intent of shooting someone,if not,he shouldve stayed home.
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CableZL
08/27/20 12:45:07 PM
#149:


MARKINGRAM22 posted...
If he didn't stop them who would? He should just hope someone stops these people from beating him with blunt objects?
There were plenty of other people there who likely had firearms they were legally allowed to possess.

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KombatBawb
08/27/20 12:45:10 PM
#150:


CableZL posted...
No, it's an expression of what black parents tell their kids to do when encountering police.

It's not what he said. Its what he's implying

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KombatBawb
08/27/20 12:45:28 PM
#151:


CableZL posted...
There were plenty of other people there who likely had firearms they were legally allowed to possess.

Stop

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Lyrica
08/27/20 12:45:30 PM
#152:


BeyondWalls posted...
You dont get to cause the situation and then claim self defense. Thats why Travis McMichaels was charged with killing Ahmaud Arbery.
That was straight up murder. I don't agree that the situation is the same here. The kid was running away but was being pursued and then attacked while he was on the ground. This isn't murder.
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MARKINGRAM22
08/27/20 12:45:43 PM
#153:


FrostedCream posted...
**** that ***** ass kid.you people are pus****,thats why you cry and cut up over gun laws all the time.theres no need for anyone outside of the military to walk around with guns that long smh.and his big chunky ass went out there with the intent of shooting someone,if not,he shouldve stayed home.
Very articulate.
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